I think he was going to choose an RB in addition to Lacy no matter what. He added in pairs and even point that out in his post draft presser.
Ball recieved a very bad concussion from the gang beating he took early last year. And there's only so many concussions a guy can handle overall before he's done. So, IMHO, these teams talking of taking Ball over Lacy for injury concerns are a bunch of BS.
BTW TT frequently doubles down in his drafts, take a guy high, then the same position again later on. So, thats not a new phenominon this year.
BTW TT frequently doubles down in his drafts, take a guy high, then the same position again later on. So, thats not a new phenominon this year.
Ball had more carries last year than Lacy did in his entire collegiate career. I like Ball as a player, but how much tread is left on the tires is a concern. I love the value there at 61 and time will only tell whether the concerns of the Steelers and Broncos were warranted.
I think that Lacy will be either a Broncos or a Steelers within 4 or 5 years.
As soon as he comes up for his next contract one of them will overpay.
I think that Lacy will be a superstar and one of these teams will overpay for him.
all the while, TT will draft 2 or 3 RB's shortly before the contract is up and once again end up looking like the genious we know him to be...
As soon as he comes up for his next contract one of them will overpay.
I think that Lacy will be a superstar and one of these teams will overpay for him.
all the while, TT will draft 2 or 3 RB's shortly before the contract is up and once again end up looking like the genious we know him to be...
Because the Steelers have shown such a gresat propensity to overspend when?
So you pass on a guy you worry may have too many carries and be prone to injury for a guy you know has medical concerns and injuries? That makes no sense. Ron Wolf used to say he didn't like drafting Wisconsin guys because fans expected them to play, but that doesn't make much sense either as a second-round RB is expected to play anyway. IF TT had both rated equally and knew he'd still get one of the two while positioning to get Bakhtiari or whomever, then that makes the most sense.
quote:Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Ball had more carries last year than Lacy did in his entire collegiate career. I like Ball as a player, but how much tread is left on the tires is a concern. I love the value there at 61 and time will only tell whether the concerns of the Steelers and Broncos were warranted.
So you pass on a guy you worry may have too many carries and be prone to injury for a guy you know has medical concerns and injuries? That makes no sense. Ron Wolf used to say he didn't like drafting Wisconsin guys because fans expected them to play, but that doesn't make much sense either as a second-round RB is expected to play anyway. IF TT had both rated equally and knew he'd still get one of the two while positioning to get Bakhtiari or whomever, then that makes the most sense.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
IF TT had both rated equally and knew he'd still get one of the two while positioning to get Bakhtiari or whomever, then that makes the most sense.
We'll never know if Thompson had Ball and Lacy ranked similarly. Did he know Lacy would be there when he moved back to #61?
I thought I read or heard something right after the draft about that trade back and the semtinment was basically "we knew a RB would be there at #61". So it appears that they really didn't have a clear preference and were going to be satisfied with whoever was available.
Ted doesn't draft Badgers
DH13, that would be surprising because Thompson and staff give out as little info after the draft as they do before. 5 or so years from now Thompson might talk about it but not this soon. JMHO
I can't find the quote, but I remember Ted saying something along those lines later that night. I think it was something like, "We knew that one way or the other we were still going to get the player we wanted," or something like that. To me, that sounded as though he was saying that one way or the other, they were going to get a running back. I wish I could find it because I'm not remembering it exactly the way he said it, but it was something close to that.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
So you pass on a guy you worry may have too many carries and be prone to injury for a guy you know has medical concerns and injuries?
My point was only that Ball's college workload needs to be part of the equation.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
DH13, that would be surprising because Thompson and staff give out as little info after the draft as they do before. 5 or so years from now Thompson might talk about it but not this soon. JMHO
This came down from the new director of college scouting. What the hell is his name again?
http://www.packers.com/media-c...15-93b8-953e39a3302c
Brian Gutekunst... in this clip he does not say explicitly they knew a RB would be there, but rather that they had "multiple numbers up there" - referring to the draft board. In their interest to move back... "get a good player regardless"
Q: did you prefer him (Lacy) to Ball?
A: we like Montee Ball a lot... we kind of had them in the same range... both very good backs... they're different backs
Maybe he said it somewhere else.
Brian Gutekunst... in this clip he does not say explicitly they knew a RB would be there, but rather that they had "multiple numbers up there" - referring to the draft board. In their interest to move back... "get a good player regardless"
Q: did you prefer him (Lacy) to Ball?
A: we like Montee Ball a lot... we kind of had them in the same range... both very good backs... they're different backs
Maybe he said it somewhere else.
Bell is a decent back in his own right. However, I think Lacy is more talented.
Where they missed: There’s a reason Lacy was available late in round two. From chronic injury problems to a concern that he lacks true passion for football, Lacy has potential bust written all over him. While they needed running backs, Franklin fits. Lacy may not. They also failed to build depth at tight end and to give quarterback Aaron Rodgers a better understudy than Graham Harrell.
Jaymo is right.
We're screwed.
Long and painful season.
Should've drafted a punter in the 5th round.
We're screwed.
Long and painful season.
Should've drafted a punter in the 5th round.
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
"goodness people, jaymo is an idiot, stop arguing with him like he isn't one"
Almost like drafting a punter in the 3rd round that only lasted one year in the league..........
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:
Where they missed: There’s a reason Lacy was available late in round two. From chronic injury problems to a concern that he lacks true passion for football, Lacy has potential bust written all over him. While they needed running backs, Franklin fits. Lacy may not. They also failed to build depth at tight end and to give quarterback Aaron Rodgers a better understudy than Graham Harrell.
PA or Charch?
Jaymo. You forgot to include the next paragraph from the article you quoted:
"Long-term prospects: The Packers continue to be an elite team. With an improved defense, offensive line, and running back corps, they can get back to the Super Bowl and win it. With this crop of rookies, it’s quite possible."
From PFT.
"Long-term prospects: The Packers continue to be an elite team. With an improved defense, offensive line, and running back corps, they can get back to the Super Bowl and win it. With this crop of rookies, it’s quite possible."
From PFT.
Selective editing. I, for one, am shocked.
quote:Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
"goodness people, jaymo is an idiot, stop arguing with him like he isn't one"
What does that have to do with E. Lacy? If it were pertinent to his draft stock, I would have included it in the quote. Is the thread not titled, "ROUND 2 PICK 61 (f/49ers)-RB EDDIE LACY (ALABAMA)?
didn't Eddie Lacy win a national championship with his "chronic foot problems"? He had the surgery LAST offseason. Meaning he went for 1300 yards and 17 touchdowns (most of which came in the 2nd half of the season) AFTER his toe surgery.
Besides, these concerns are probably why they drafted John Franklin 2 rounds later.
I'm good with it.
Besides, these concerns are probably why they drafted John Franklin 2 rounds later.
I'm good with it.
quote:Originally posted by Jaymo:quote:Originally posted by atticus:
Jaymo. You forgot to include the next paragraph from the article you quoted:
"Long-term prospects: The Packers continue to be an elite team. With an improved defense, offensive line, and running back corps, they can get back to the Super Bowl and win it. With this crop of rookies, it’s quite possible."
From PFT.
What does that have to do with E. Lacy? If it were pertinent to his draft stock, I would have included it in the quote. Is the thread not titled, "ROUND 2 PICK 61 (f/49ers)-RB EDDIE LACY (ALABAMA)?
Didn't he only miss like 2 games in his entire college career? Definitely some chronic injury problems there.
Cordarrelle Patterson struggled to make grades at Tennessee. AT TENNESSEE. He's a flash in the pan, Troy Williamson 2.0.
EDIT: Just looked it up. Patterson apparently scored an 11 on his Wonderlic. Here are the scores for the Packers picks:
Datone Jones -20 [position average is 19 ]
Eddie Lacy – 17 [position average is 16 ]
David Bakhtiari – 25 [position average is 26 for OT and 23 for G ]
JC Tretter -33 [position average is 25 for C and 23 for G ]
Johnathan “the Mayor” Franklin – 21 [position average is 16 ]
Micah Hyde – 21 [position average is 18]
Josh Boyd -14 [position average is? ]
Nate Palmer -15 [position average is 19 ]
Charles Johnson - ?
Kevin Dorsey – 22[position average is 17 ]
Sam Barrington – 23 [position average is 19 ]
Cordarrelle Patterson struggled to make grades at Tennessee. AT TENNESSEE. He's a flash in the pan, Troy Williamson 2.0.
EDIT: Just looked it up. Patterson apparently scored an 11 on his Wonderlic. Here are the scores for the Packers picks:
Datone Jones -20 [position average is 19 ]
Eddie Lacy – 17 [position average is 16 ]
David Bakhtiari – 25 [position average is 26 for OT and 23 for G ]
JC Tretter -33 [position average is 25 for C and 23 for G ]
Johnathan “the Mayor” Franklin – 21 [position average is 16 ]
Micah Hyde – 21 [position average is 18]
Josh Boyd -14 [position average is? ]
Nate Palmer -15 [position average is 19 ]
Charles Johnson - ?
Kevin Dorsey – 22[position average is 17 ]
Sam Barrington – 23 [position average is 19 ]
TT is messing up big time. Now it's the Broncos telling the world what a mistake Lacy was. WTF.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...ball-over-eddie-lacy
Plus, the Saints just signed their first round pick. Is TT on vacation?
ROTTT!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...ball-over-eddie-lacy
Plus, the Saints just signed their first round pick. Is TT on vacation?
ROTTT!
Same Broncos that signed Willis McGahee.
Carry on...
Carry on...
I don't think the quote attributed to the Broncos guy is necessarily negative. The guy stated they liked both Ball and Lacy. TT said the same thing. The Broncos apparently chose Ball because there wasn't an injury issue. TT may have done the same thing if both Ball and Lacy were available at their pick.
Shocks me that these teams are willing to bash a player on another team.
quote:Eddie Lacy wants to get toehold in Packers' backfield
jsonline.com
One of Cain's partners teamed with a doctor from the Steadman Hawkins Research Clinic in Vail, Colo., to perform the bone fusion. Unlike the typical toe fusion surgery - which hardens the toe completely, limiting mobility - only the bone on the tip of Lacy's big toe was fused.
"The joint underneath the toenail was fused to allow the ligament to work better basically," Cain said. "It's something you do to give you a better push-off. His big toe moves just like a normal big toe in terms of motion. . . . If you fused it completely, it'd give you a stiff big toe and you can't push off and that's a big problem. In Eddie's case, he does not have that. His fusion does not affect his big-toe motion.
"The bottom line is, the fusion he had does not affect his big-toe motion."
Lacy experienced initial soreness in 2012, but that quickly subsided. The surgery did not dull his running style in rushing for 1,322 yards on 204 carries (6.5 avg.) with 17 touchdowns.
Most importantly to Lacy, he didn't lose his push-off strength. He was able to cut and explode. That's the purpose of the surgery, Cain said. They wanted to prevent turf toe from becoming an issue in the future. The fact that Lacy made it through the 2012 season - with no problems, visits or complaints - was enough to convince Cain.
"That answered the question really," Cain said. "I think that takes it out of the equation. . . . I expect Eddie Lacy to have a long, productive NFL career. I don't think the toe will be a problem in his career."
That doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. If the Pro Personnel Director for the Denver Broncos says he's injury prone then he is definitely injury prone.
quote:The Broncos apparently chose Ball because there wasn't an injury issue.
Yeah, Montee Ball has never been injured.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
That doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. If the Pro Personnel Director for the Denver Broncos says he's injury prone then he is definitely injury prone.
I'm really waiting for 50 drunks in a bar to chime in before I make my decision.
Would you believe 49 drunks and 1 sober 
instead?
Finally... Someone who gets it.
http://host.madison.com/sports...55-22d56679987d.html
quote:That’s because you can’t explain running instincts. Good backs have a natural feel for finding holes and eluding tacklers. Other backs may have size, speed or some other physical attribute, but if they don’t have instincts, they’ll never be anything more than ordinary.
http://host.madison.com/sports...55-22d56679987d.html
I love how all these teams are suddenly claiming that they had no idea about Lacy's surgery even though I know there were reports out there before the Combine that made mention of the darn thing.
Not that it matters any more; motivation is motivation and he can use that.
Not that it matters any more; motivation is motivation and he can use that.
there were reports about the surgery when the surgery happen last f:ing January. This thing has been so overblown and misread. Hopefully he can show up in TC and preseason and leave no doubt.