@13X posted:Yup- both huge reaches with questionable talent. Let's hope this is Gute's last draft.
or we can hope he hit a home run with this pic and the rest of the draft. Geez, people....
@Johnson posted:Gute justifies trading the 4th round pick to move up for a QB that won't play for 4 years by picking 4th round talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds----See fellas, not only did I get that 4th round choice back--I got two of them!...These choices wouldn't look so bad-- if it wasn't for the fact that after making an excellent selection of Alexander in 2018-he went on to not just whiff, but miss entirely on 10 selections---you could put names on a dart board and do better than he did in 2018...and then extending it to Rashard Gary at #12 in 2019...wow!
They did also get a punter and a long snapper. 
But it is amazing that they played in an NFC title game and went 13-3 last year without a single player from the 2015 draft on the roster and only one starter from the 2018 draft. To blow 2 of the last 5 drafts that badly and get only two full-time contributors from your 2019 rookie class (Savage and Jenkins) and still have that record seems like smoke and mirrors.
Deguara is supposedly a tough kid who loves to just line up and hit people. Kind of a throwback who loves football. His surname means, "War".
Getting a FB this early is a little hard to accept, but we’ve seen some versatile FBs like Juszyczk actually make a difference for their team. Great FBs are great to have, average FBs are a waste of a roster spot IMO.
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Deguara never played FB in college. He had 1 carry which was a fumble recovery for a TD. He did line up as a lead blocker in goal line situations. He broke some of Brent Celek and Travis Kelce's TE records at Cincinnati. Not crazy about where he was picked but I could definitely see him as a lead blocker for Dillon in power packages.
As I mentioned, dont think he will be a traditional TE or FB....he’s good as a “move” blocker...Deguara's going to be an H-Back/FB player and will function much in the same role as San-Fran's Kyle Jusczyk. MLF following his Shannahan roots
The dude does fit the Jusczyk mold - same height, weight and 40. Still think this was a waste of a pick. Very good fullbacks can be found in the 6th and 7th round, even undrafted. And what is the difference between a great fullback and a very good fullback? Not sure there's much. Deguara needs to be really good to justify this pick.
Reminds me a bit of the Richard Rodgers pick- not a bad player but really can't justify picking him at that spot.
@michiganjoe posted:Reminds me a bit of the Richard Rodgers pick- not a bad player but really can't justify picking him at that spot.
Exactly. Good special teams guy. A good back-up depth guy. 3rd round seems steep
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Exactly. Good special teams guy. A good back-up depth guy. 3rd round seems steep
So, you're saying 3-4 rounds earlier than anyone had him seems steep?
@Timpranillo posted:So, you're saying 3-4 rounds earlier than anyone had him seems steep?
It will be interesting to see how much better than Danny Vitale he'll actually be. He better be a LOT better.
This pick, of all of them, baffles me the most.
That says a lot
@Timpranillo posted:So, you're saying 3-4 rounds earlier than anyone had him seems steep?
More like a round and a half.
Would've liked a trade down into early/mid 4th to get this guy plus another pick.
DeGaura was targeted to the Niners in the 5th & as others have stated, a Kyle Juszczyk clone. You can look at the Niners draft & see they drafted a TE/H-Back in the 5th round
I think Niners might lose KJ this season.
I'm telling you....Niners were taking DeGaura in the 5th if he was there. GuteFisk took him at end of 3 because they didn't have a 4th & if you were following closely the Niners traded Matt Breida for a high 5th AHEAD OF THE PACKERS. (#153 they took OT) but at #190 they drafted Charlie Woerner. The Niners would've taken DeGaura at 153 if he was there.
This guy wasn't making it to 175 so CuteGute took him at end of 3rd.
Interesting that after the Packers drafted DeGaura at 94, the Patriots traded up to 101 to draft Keene who could not be a closer match.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/...00-9fe2-3240dc1a9dab
Diggr14's draft analysis:
Round 1: Gut was unavailable due to K-Mart holding a special on Johnsonville in their freezer section. Ted Thompson stopped by and decided to take the best available bubble... in fact, he was so excited, he traded a 4th round pick to ensure he could get that bubble. Gut thanked Thompson for getting him the job and recommending him, even though he couldn't remember his name.
Grade: Prime Thompson, but 15+ years later non-lap falling edition.
Round 2: Gut came back to work, Brat in hand. Gut remembered this guy named Henry... no, the other Henry, that one from Tennessee. Well, he is hoping his Henry can become a Henry. Not the 4th round Poor Man's Henry all those Mels out there think he is.
Grade: Edgar Bennett Mudder Grade
Round 3: Brat is done, time for some crack. Gut preps the pipe and fires it up. Ok, I really like that Kittle guy. Find me a Kittle. Gut pulls up his Tight End Dartboard and it lands on.. .well fuck, a 7th rounder. Oh well dart board says, I do.
Grade: Dart board says fuck it. When can we start the season and tank to get this Rodgers cry-baby outta here. He's stealin my LaFleur's pretty boy spotlight.
Grade2: Fuck it - everyone thinks I'm incompetant already.
Round 4: Thumb up ass.. smells good, we traded this for a future bubble.
Grade: The Henry approves.
Round 5: Ted Thompson is back. He was just playing Madden 2008 and wanted to get that Greenway guy from Minnesota. Well, fuck this Minnesota LB will do. Thanks for the job Ted and not giving it to that actual NFL guy Wolff.
Grade: Vikings fans all approve of the Packers Front office
Round 6: Well we got 3 picks, we really like pissing off our HOF QBs, so lets not draft a WR. Ted do we need a lineman, there is a Runyan... I like Funyons, draft him. Ted, who is your favorite band? MmmmBop. Ok.. Funyons and Hansen... sounds like a good night for us.
Draft Runyan.
Draft Hansen.
next: Give me an Soviet Block sounding dude. Something John Madden can pronounce well while eating a Turkenduckeney or whatever they call it.
Stepaniak? What's he play? Guard? Even better.
Round 6 Grade: Trading Rodgers T-minus 2 years and counting. Wait for that dead cap money to come off the books.
Round 7:
next: I like that Stuart Scott guy on ESPN, do they have a Scott.. just not a punter, i like our Scott punter. Sure, on it. But make sure he sounds presidential. I don't need our new Scott sounding like a Harry Potter Author.
Vernon Scott
We are gonna need directions, like back roads to Lambeau. It's hard being a Vikings plant fucking this franchise up and not being noticed. Backroads. Get us a Garvin, he can drive.
Draft: Best available Garvin
Round 7 Grade: Chauffer, check... legit sounding dude .. check
Overall Draft Grade: Trying to get fired, A+
Because I haven't s**t all over this pick enough......thought I'd look up the offensive usage of the guy that Gute or Lefleur referred to when they picked Deguera: Kyle Juszczyk. in 2019, Juszczyk played in 36.59% of the offensive snaps. That would finish slightly ahead of Jamal Williams. And if they use him just a little less, around 30%, we're looking at Jake Kumerow. So we drafted a guy in the third round who likely plays as much on offense as a back up RB and a #5 WR. Go****mit.
@Boris posted:DeGaura was targeted to the Niners in the 5th & as others have stated, a Kyle Juszczyk clone. You can look at the Niners draft & see they drafted a TE/H-Back in the 5th round
The 49ers did draft a TE in the 6th round but he's 6'5" 245lbs. That's the measureables of a traditional in inline TE, not an h-back or fullback. H-backs or fullbacks are usually shorter. So while I don't know much about this dude or the 49ers, his height and weight doesn't seem to fit as a fullback.
Beyond that pick though, I just don't see any way that an NFL team carries two fullbacks on their roster for a full season, especially the idea of a current fullback and a fullback of the future. Only way they draft Deguera is if they were planning on cutting Juszczyk. And if the 49ers were planning on cutting Juszczyk if they got Deguera, then Gute should have just waited and signed Juszczyk.
This is going to be Gute's BJ Sander pick. Just an indefensible pick any way you put it.
I don't know how this kid pans out, but really hard not to like moments like this:
Moment I’ll never forget🙏🏻 https://t.co/PONKOxAytp
— Josiah Deguara (@JosiahD5) April 26, 2020
@CUPackFan posted:Because I haven't s**t all over this pick enough......thought I'd look up the offensive usage of the guy that Gute or Lefleur referred to when they picked Deguera: Kyle Juszczyk. in 2019, Juszczyk played in 36.59% of the offensive snaps. That would finish slightly ahead of Jamal Williams. And if they use him just a little less, around 30%, we're looking at Jake Kumerow. So we drafted a guy in the third round who likely plays as much on offense as a back up RB and a #5 WR. Go****mit.
There’s no way to slice it that makes the pick worth it. Even if he steps on the field Day 1 and is Kyle Juice he still wouldn’t be worth a 3rd rounder. It’s not a player issue at all, I didn’t know much about JD before the draft and honestly he seems like the guy GB has been searching for years cycling through guys like Ripkowski, Korey Hall, Tom Crabtree, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers, etc. JD seems like a balanced combination of a lot of skills and could be a really cool contributor for GB. That position doesn’t warrant a Day 1 or Day 2 though. He needs to be closer to Kittle than Juice to make it worth it.
@packerboi posted:I don't know how this kid pans out, but really hard not to like moments like this:
Moment I’ll never forget🙏🏻 https://t.co/PONKOxAytp
— Josiah Deguara (@JosiahD5) April 26, 2020
Pretty darn cool.
Smaller scale, but reminds me of football with my sons. Recruiting trips, awards, big wins, and when they got their scholarship offers....pretty exciting for them and the whole family.
That stuff is always cool to see. I can't even imagine the emotion he must be feeling to get that call. I'll root for this kid like I do everything Packer. Just wish Gute hadn't put him in an impossible situation of living up to a third round pick. Hate the pick, maybe I love the player.
@CUPackFan posted:That stuff is always cool to see. I can't even imagine the emotion he must be feeling to get that call. I'll root for this kid like I do everything Packer. Just wish Gute hadn't put him in an impossible situation of living up to a third round pick. Hate the pick, maybe I love the player.
CU-completely with you on the above. Sorta reminds me of when the Bucs shocked the world and traded up to take Roberto Aguayo in the friggin' 2nd round! of the 2016 draft as a K.
The kid never had a chance. A huge over reach and put a ton of pressure on him to be the 2nd coming of Morten Anderson.
Dudes got good taste in shoes. Plus, I could give that reaction too. 
@CUPackFan posted:The 49ers did draft a TE in the 6th round but he's 6'5" 245lbs.
So while I don't know much about this dude or the 49ers,
This is going to be Gute's BJ Sander pick. Just an indefensible pick any way you put it.
Ok.....last time I'll say this....
Matt Maiocco had DeGaura going to the Niners in the 5th. Yes I know they drafted a tackle at 153 but Matt had inside info the Niners were taking DeGaura in the 5th
Packers no longer had a 4th & Niners traded Breida for #153. Well ahead of the Packers at #175.
Since the Packers didn't have a pick between #94 & #175 -- Gute took his guy.
Matt Maiocco is very in tune with the Niners & what they're doing.
Saying this is a BJ Sander pick is saying that DeGauera will be inactive his entire career then be outta the league.
There is no way this selection is as bad as taking a fucking punter in the 3rd then putting him on the inactive list, but I do agree, I'm not a fan of where he was selected.
The player I don't have a problem with, just where he was drafted.
Gut could have used some of his later picks to move up ahead of them in the 5th or even the late 4th. He could have used his 3rd to trade down.
Please stop trying to sell me that he had to be selected here or not selected at all.
If someone tells me that a competitor is gonna draft a FB that most thought would be there in the 6th and possibly even as an UDFA in the 5th, the proper response is to laugh and walk away, not panic and say "Oh well I should draft him in the 3rd."
@Timpranillo posted:If someone tells me that a competitor is gonna draft a FB that most thought would be there in the 6th and possibly even as an UDFA in the 5th, the proper response is to laugh and walk away, not panic and say "Oh well I should draft him in the 3rd."
Or try to trade pick #175 and a 6th or 7th round pick to move up ahead of #153. It doesn't take a huge amount of draft capital to do that in the 5th round.
@CUPackFan posted:Boris, if that's true, then Gute needs to be fired today.
If Jordan Love doesn't pan out, Gutey is done in Green Bay. His whole future is staked to whether Jordan Love can at least be a competent NFL QB.
Ted Thompson took a guy that was likely a consensus top 10 pick on many boards at #24 after he fell that far. More importantly, he kept his other TEN picks in that draft and got Nick Collins and a few other contributors (Poppinga for example).
If the sources are correct, Gutey used his 1st and 4th round picks, and used up the equivalent in draft capital of probably another 4th round pick (by using a 3rd round pick to draft a 5th-6th round talent) all because he wanted Jordan Love so badly.
@Fedya posted:So he's the replacement for Sternberger when he retires?
Or the replacement for Jimmy Graham?
From what Gute said he appears to be more of a replacement for Danny Vitale with more flexibility to move outside.
@AtTheMurph posted:From what Gute said he appears to be more of a replacement for Danny Vitale with more flexibility to move outside.
Obviously, MLF may want to increase the number of snaps the Vitale position gets, but last year Vitale played anywhere from 8 to 33% of the snaps on games he was active. He averaged around 12 snaps per game. Love, if we are lucky, won't play at all. The 2nd RB will replace Jamaal Williams' snaps if he gets significant playing time. Williams averaged 4.3 yards per carry and caught 39 passes out the backfield. He was a very good #2 RB. So, we used our first 4 picks to replace Vitale and Jamaal Williams (who didn't need to be replaced).
Contrast that with the use a @#2 WR gets. One of the rotation WRs last year, Geronimo Allison, played between 44-86% of the snaps per game. He averaged about 60% of the snaps (or around 40 snaps per game). I guess Funchess replaces him, but there's a reason backup RBs and H backs get picked in the mid to late rounds. They don't get enough snaps to warrant high draft positions. They should be good special teams players, but so was Vitale.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Obviously, MLF may want to increase the number of snaps the Vitale position gets, but last year Vitale played anywhere from 8 to 33% of the snaps on games he was active. He averaged around 12 snaps per game. Love, if we are lucky, won't play at all. The 2nd RB will replace Jamaal Williams' snaps if he gets significant playing time. Williams averaged 4.3 yards per carry and caught 39 passes out the backfield. He was a very good #2 RB. So, we used our first 4 picks to replace Vitale and Jamaal Williams (who didn't need to be replaced).
Contrast that with the use a @#2 WR gets. One of the rotation WRs last year, Geronimo Allison, played between 44-86% of the snaps per game. He averaged about 60% of the snaps (or around 40 snaps per game). I guess Funchess replaces him, but there's a reason backup RBs and H backs get picked in the mid to late rounds. They don't get enough snaps to warrant high draft positions. They should be good special teams players, but so was Vitale.
But if what they say ends up happening then Deguerra should eventually get more field time than Vitale because he is supposed to be more versatile.
And the RB makes all the sense in the world to me.you have to have 3 because one is going to get hurt. I've seen for a couple years at least what happens to GBs offense when a RB goes down.
As for #2 WR, I don't know who that might be. Could be MVS, Funchess (if he can stay healthy), Lazard or even ESB.
(What you might find surprising is that MVS has some pretty Jordy Nelson type production through his first two seasons. It surprised me. Nelson really didn't do much until his 4th season when he broke out.)
Funchess has been a decent #2 when he can be on the field. I think he can be the 65 catch, 800yd, 6-8 TD guy. Tough for a rookie to do that at the NFL level.
Well. If one looks at the catches/yards, you are correct that the first 2 years of MVS compare very favorably to those of Jordy.
Jordy 55/685/4
MVS 64/1033/4
But, the key thing here is that Jordy put up those numbers as a #3 or #4 WR in those years. He was behind clear #1 (Jennings) and #2 (Driver).
So saying that MVS as the #2 produced similarly to a #3 or #4 isn't exactly a ringing endorsement in my mind... But if he can step up to be a true #2, then none of this matters, and let's hope he does
Adding a TE/H back is interesting from an offensive strategy stand-point. With LeFluffer mixing in more RB and TE route concepts, having more of a true H back opens up even more route options.
With Jimmy Graham leaving and the offense going into year 2....got a feeling Sternberger is gonna have a big year.
Get ready, Green Bay.@JosiahD5 x #NFLDraft x @Packers#BearcatsInTheNFL | #GoPackGo pic.twitter.com/aEQ6nalexi
— Cincinnati Football (@GoBearcatsFB) April 28, 2020
Regarding snap counts for fullbacks - 49ers used Juszczyk on 36.59% of their offensive snaps. I haven't look it up but I'd imagine that he's the most used fullback in the league. Vitale was used on 15.77% of 2019 offensive snaps. I'd guess Deguerra is in between there in 2019.
@Boris posted:Ok.....last time I'll say this....
Matt Maiocco had DeGaura going to the Niners in the 5th. Yes I know they drafted a tackle at 153 but Matt had inside info the Niners were taking DeGaura in the 5th
Packers no longer had a 4th & Niners traded Breida for #153. Well ahead of the Packers at #175.
Since the Packers didn't have a pick between #94 & #175 -- Gute took his guy.
Matt Maiocco is very in tune with the Niners & what they're doing.
Saying this is a BJ Sander pick is saying that DeGauera will be inactive his entire career then be outta the league.
There is no way this selection is as bad as taking a fucking punter in the 3rd then putting him on the inactive list, but I do agree, I'm not a fan of where he was selected.
The player I don't have a problem with, just where he was drafted.
None of that justifies taking a player in the 3rd round that isn't slotted there, or even close to there. You love the guy so much you trade back and take him where he is supposed to go. Nobody had this kid as a 3rd prospect. Nobody except Gute who decided to "take his guy." Absolutely stupid decision to take this fucking kid in R3.
I'm actually surprised you're trying to justify this nonsense.
I'll say this. I've seen multiple statements about how great a locker room guy he is. If he turns into a Big Willy, yeah, great pick.
I am also very excited to see what this run game is going to look like this year. I just don't want to see that same struggling pass game that had you white knuckling for 3 quarters a game.