After TY kicks the living hell outta the Colts on Sunday, all you a-holes can eat your words.
Who has the better game, T.Y. or Ty?
The Seahawks took the similar, Swiss Army Knife-guy I thought TT might nab in CJ Prosise.
Prosise is more like Sproles IMO, when considering the multi-position skills. Montgomery is not near the RB that Prosise is. But, I don't see Prosise being a challenge to DBs the way Montgomery can be/is.
Monty is a movable chess piece and that helps AR decipher the defense
RBs are movable too, but they are more like checkers than chess when it comes to the Jedi Mind Tricks.
Monty moving to RB was partly out of necessity, but I also think it's a direct response to the hybrid LB/Safety trend we have seen recently with guys like Deon Buchanon and Kam Chancellor (which was a response to the RO/Pistol QB's like Wilson and Kaepernick). McCarthy was already heading this direction with Cobb in the backfield. Guys like Chancellor can cover TE's and traditional RBs, but they can't cover WRs (as evidenced by Jordy burning him for a TD). Forcing Chancellor, or Bobby Wagner, or KJ Wright to cover Monty or Cobb out of the backfield is a big mismatch.
Indeed, if Monty stays healthy through the playoffs, I think MM and Arod have figured out how to use him. I look for him to destroy the Bears Sunday. Red JSO scouting report. an LB and safety they're using are so bad that one scout said it's like they're playing D with nine guys...
Precog call spot on about Ty, YA.
I wonder if he is Wibert's nephew.
DH13 posted:Precog call spot on about Ty, YA.
I wonder if he is Wibert's nephew.
Thanks. Monty has sold me and it's a great story. What amazes me is how some of those long runs should have been tackles for a loss, or it seemed like he just slipped through the narrowest of holes and kept on going somehow. Breaking tackles downfield, too. I concur with those who say he SHOULDN'T be on kickoffs anymore. If they have to limit his snaps due to his condition, let's only get him on the field when it's vital.
They should have multiple oxygen tanks on the sideline & be pumping oxygen into his lungs when the defense is on the field.
Yup Boris, I've read that's the big issue with a guy with his condition.
I have noticed Lacy's asthma affect him during and after long runs, I have not yet noticed any issues from Monty's condition so far.
I noticed vs PHI and saw it again yesterday - he is really good at getting small between the tackles and playing big at the second and third levels. I was a bit concerned with his ball security toward the end of those long runs when he was fighting for yards, looked like he was holding the ball out away from his body with one arm. Tougher test for him vs MIN D. Likely won't see as many broken arm tackles.
All he needs in 16 inches of daylight. A full 2 inches better than Gayle Sayers.
Thunderbird posted:All he needs in 16 inches of daylight. A full 2 inches better than Gayle Sayers.
vs da bears
Great patience. Exceptional football IQ.
Some good insight here into how Monty makes people play us differently which leads to favorable match-ups for both he & Cook. Also how we took advantage of when Bears played him as just a receiver in the backfield.
Monty had nearly 5000 yards of production at Stanford - WR, RB and KR
Helluva a Ootball player, really glad Sam Seale invested the time in scouting him
Not to keep beating this into the ground. But his football smarts is what Andrew Luck kept telling everyone when they played together at Stanford. This was the future first overall pick in the draft talking about a freshman WR.
Ty just knows how to play football.
Satori posted:Thunderbird posted:All he needs in 16 inches of daylight. A full 2 inches better than Gayle Sayers.
vs da bears
Holy cow he does look like Gayle Sayers on that play. Good comparison T-bird.
Cook actually does a pretty decent job of blocking on that play. Of course, DickRod set the bar so low that almost anything is an improvement.
Satori posted:Thunderbird posted:All he needs in 16 inches of daylight. A full 2 inches better than Gayle Sayers.
vs da bears
Watch the blocking. Lang comes across and it looks like Lang was supposed to lead Monty through the hole. Bak takes his guy down the field and out of the play and Taylor gets a standoff with his guy, but Lindsley gets quickly pushed backwards and the hole disappears. Lang makes it through before it shuts, but after that it's all Monty's instincts. Good patience by Monty and his ability to jump through the tiny gap as the defenders are pushed by is great. Most guys would try to bounce that outside and would lose yards.
Rusty posted:The guy who drafted Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, and Randall Cobb has clearly lost his marbles.
It's a little known fact that during practice in 2015 Ty was shredding the Packers secondary and Dom mumbled "I swear I wish the ****er was a running back"
This is how Dom came to keep his job. Life is funny.
So those pictures of TT and MM in the film room are meaningless?
Fandame posted:Satori posted:Thunderbird posted:All he needs in 16 inches of daylight. A full 2 inches better than Gayle Sayers.
vs da bears
Watch the blocking. Lang comes across and it looks like Lang was supposed to lead Monty through the hole. Bak takes his guy down the field and out of the play and Taylor gets a standoff with his guy, but Lindsley gets quickly pushed backwards and the hole disappears. Lang makes it through before it shuts, but after that it's all Monty's instincts. Good patience by Monty and his ability to jump through the tiny gap as the defenders are pushed by is great. Most guys would try to bounce that outside and would lose yards.
Queenie fans would be yelling for holding by all 3 guys on that play. The NFL wants the Pack to win you know! 
Look where Jordy initiates his block. Then look where the corner disengages.
Football will always be about blocking and tackling.
michiganjoe posted:Cook actually does a pretty decent job of blocking on that play. Of course, DickRod set the bar so low that almost anything is an improvement.
Yeah I'd say Cook's final extra effort sprung it, however narrowly.
Can't stop watching that GIF: it should be part of a mini-camp video on why you don't stop blocking until the whistle. If Cook lets up on that block, his guy makes the tackle.
This offense is definition of "clicking" right now. All cylinders wide open.
You don't see it from the broadcast angles but that mofo has some amazing feet. He reminds me a little of Roger Craig. Among other things, he was great catching short ones out of the backfield. Just never saw him line up out wide or in the slot and run a WR route. Maybe he did but I didn't see it.
The WCO created a wider role for it's RB's in the short passing game and then Martz (maybe more coryell than walsh) showed everyone Faulk could line up wide and run some routes. Montgomery's development is the reverse of that but the outcomes are similar. I'm not saying he's as good as Faulk was but he has shown some of the same abilities in a small sample.
It's causing all kinds of trouble.
Having 88 in the backfield just creates matchups that no D coordinator has had to ever game-plan for as a play to play player.
Sure, maybe a set or formation. This is ALL THE TIME. At any given moment, he can run out to receiver. So nickle? Dime? He can run up the gut.
I know how MM loves to start revealing new twists as the season progresses. Now we have Micheal who has popped a quick one for a TD and runs just as smart, just as hard, and just as low... very sudden too.
What are D's going to do when there's unscouted looks with Monty AND Christine in the backfield??
Oh, add in the best FB in the NFL with the RIPPER!
Win Saturday. Destroy the queens and crush hopes.
Then finish.
Cavetoad posted:Having 88 in the backfield just creates matchups that no D coordinator has had to ever game-plan for as a play to play player.
Well, not really. There have been guys like him at running back that can catch a pass for awhile now. Darren Sproles comes to mind immediately. Jamall Charles, LeSean McCoy, David Johnson, etc. It's not like Ty is some completely new thing that catches D Coordinators completely off guard. He's just a type of runningback we haven't seen in Green Bay since Dorsey Levens.
How about our very own Paul Hornung? In the Lombardi era he not only ran the ball well, but caught passes out of the backfield, was great blocker, and could also throw the ball well enough to be a threat on the option play. He was a QB at Notre Dame and was the only Heisman trophy winner who played on a losing team. He brought much more than just running and pass catching to the game. Both Taylor and Hornung were good blockers and was one of the reasons the could run the sweep to either side of the field.
I called him Hornung in the game thread. Throwback multiple.
There have been guys like him at running back that can catch a pass for awhile now. Darren Sproles comes to mind immediately. Jamall Charles, LeSean McCoy, David Johnson, etc.
The difference being Ty can actually run routes like a WR, making his threat as a pass catcher dig deeper into the secondary. You won't see the list of guys above running timed slants, posts, digs, or much up the sideline because they're not seasoned route runners that can set a db up like an experienced WR can. Those guys are more dangerous in the flats, or shallow soft spots in a zone D so they're not stressing a secondary as much as true WR/RB could. Marshall Faulk would have been an exception.
We'll see how he does once defenses get enough tape on him and how MM is using him. MM still has pages in the playbook we haven't seen yet and I hope he rides this hot hand as far as he can (Feb!!!) before defenses catch up.
And I love Ty. Love seeing him out of the backfield or lined up wide. He's just not revolutionizing the game and that is OK. Talented receiver, talented running back. Weapon.
I think even Faulk was limited in his routes when lined up outside. I think Montgomery is truly unique in that if he motions out of the backfield to the outside or slot his pattern options are no different than if he lined up as a WR initially. A lot of teams will go 4 or 5 WR, and they'll even start 1 of them in backfield then motion outside to the LOS, but which WRs are a real threat to run from that formation?
Next year, Montgomery might be officially listed on the depth chart as FLEX.
Pitch to Montgomery who hands it to Janis on the jet-sweep?
Tweaks made to the running scheme (it looked like more "power" plays than "zone" plays) to fit Monty's skill set resulted last week in the Bears having to scrap their nickel (in which they were playing him like a WR) & going to a base 3-4 (in which they played him as a RB). If teams play us in base, it should create favorable passing match-ups for Monty & Cook. Going to be interesting how teams play us the rest of the way & how MM can stay one step ahead of them.
Hungry5 posted:Pitch to Montgomery who hands it to Janis on the jet-sweep?
Monty breaks the defensive rules and we saw a bit of that with Cobb pre-Monty when he beat the Pats/Ninkovich in 2014 regular season. Even BB had to acknowledge the challenge that presents to a defense
At the end of the previous play, the offense then sends out their personnel (11) for the next play and the defensive team matches by counting WRs/TEs/RBs that the offense is deploying
Then the DC matches with base, nickel, dime or other. But how do you count Monty ? He gives the defense (2) anthropomorphic deities to consider.
Is Monty an "RB" or a "WR" in terms of match-up personnel ? Not only where he lines up, but what his role is after the snap. RBs are typically the responsibility of a LB, but Monty is a bad match-up for an LB. And then what happens when he goes into motion, changing from an RB to a WR ?
Then we get to confusion # 2. Is Cook staying in to block like an "OL" or going out for a pass like a "WR" and how does the defense match up with those options ?
What MM has done is brought the uncertainty of a TE and applied it to the RB/WR combo position and that really stresses a defense. The best part is that you have the ultimate Conductor at the LOS deciphering the defense and calling the best play to exploit it. And because you can run so many concepts out of this chameleon personnel - it makes the hurry up even more lethal. Get the defensive package you want on the field and exploit it, not just for a single play, but an entire drive.
Try to substitute, Rodgers makes you pay
Load the box, we'll throw it.
Play coverage and we'll run it up your arse with equal aplomb.