Great insight! Anyone who saw the game have any insight into our two "3 & out" 4th quarter drives, as far as how the Bears played us, what we tried to do vs. it, & why it was not successful.
Well diagnosed Satori. Occasionally MM has created some influential trends in the game, such as deferring the kickoff to get the second half ball, which never used to happen and teams now see the value in it, depending on the situation. I think with the trend toward hybrid safety/LBs, the flexhybrid RB could be a strong counter trend in the next few years.
FLPACKER posted:Great insight! Anyone who saw the game have any insight into our two "3 & out" 4th quarter drives, as far as how the Bears played us, what we tried to do vs. it, & why it was not successful.
Bears were successful with base defense. We need to come up with a counter for that. Dime wasn't working with Monty in backfield. I think they had 3-4 in there on those drives.
YATittle posted:Well diagnosed Satori. Occasionally MM has created some influential trends in the game, such as deferring the kickoff to get the second half ball, which never used to happen and teams now see the value in it, depending on the situation. I think with the trend toward hybrid safety/LBs, the flexhybrid RB could be a strong counter trend in the next few years.
He was nowhere near the first coach to do it regularly and, as EKB pointed out, stressers out of the backfield are nothing new, they're just hard to find. Guys like Faulk, Tomlinson, etc. were always mismatches for linebackers in coverage, it's just that most mismatch receiving backs weren't great runners or vice verse. Look at Adrian Peterson. For as good of a runner as he's been, he's often made scheming against the Vikings offense easier because he's so one-dimensional. A guy like Tomlinson could take the hand-off, fake and stone a pass rusher, or release and set up a defender and leave their jock on a hash mark.
Herschel posted:YATittle posted:Well diagnosed Satori. Occasionally MM has created some influential trends in the game, such as deferring the kickoff to get the second half ball, which never used to happen and teams now see the value in it, depending on the situation. I think with the trend toward hybrid safety/LBs, the flexhybrid RB could be a strong counter trend in the next few years.
He was nowhere near the first coach to do it regularly and, as EKB pointed out, stressers out of the backfield are nothing new, they're just hard to find. Guys like Faulk, Tomlinson, etc. were always mismatches for linebackers in coverage, it's just that most mismatch receiving backs weren't great runners or vice verse. Look at Adrian Peterson. For as good of a runner as he's been, he's often made scheming against the Vikings offense easier because he's so one-dimensional. A guy like Tomlinson could take the hand-off, fake and stone a pass rusher, or release and set up a defender and leave their jock on a hash mark.
Mike Sherman did it first.
Hungry5 posted:
I hope Queen Elizabeth doesn't suffer a ruptured aorta listening to Kellyanne Conway, it's too early for her to meet her anthropomorphic deity.
Faulk and Sproles et al don't change the personnel that a defense uses to match- up. That's the big difference with Monty.
He changes how defenses set their packages. Monty is often running against a light box because he is / was counted as a WR when the defenses choose base, nickle, dime packages on a particular down. From the sideline, it looks like GB has 3-4 "WRs" on the field.
Once the defense declares their personnel, the Packers can adjust accordingly. Monty changes what happens between the end of one play and the start of the next one.
Teams didn't change their defensive personnel/packages just because Faulk lined up outside or caught a pass instead of taking a hand-off.
That's the difference - and that's why when GB saw some early success with Cobb at RB, they went out and found a "bigger Cobb" in the draft who can handle the pounding better.
I haven't been able to go back and study the tape but I don't remember Ty switching his position during pre-snap reads i.e. shifting over from the backfield to the slot or vise versa. Anybody else notice?
Don't be surprised if you start seeing PIT run some of the same plays with Bell. Which might work as soon as he learns how to play WR.
Bell already lines up at wideout on a number of plays.
Doesn't mean he knows how to BE a wr and play like one. If he did, the D would have the same puzzle on their hands as to how to defend him there. If he can't really run routes and set up db's like a wr (thus forcing the D to dedicate a db to him), then he's just a rb split wide.
I'm guessing a lot of those guys can be a 4th WR target like Ty
Sure. If they at some point in their careers learned the complexities of WR route running and then actually ran routes vs db's - sucessfully. Then yah, they probably could.
He runs my Amhan Green in my opinion. Durability and pounding being taken as more of a featured back is a concern. I don't see him as that however, 12-15 carries guy, very versatile option.
If he gets 20 touches a game, say 12-13 runs and the rest pass receptions, I think our offense is golden. Work Michael in, Ripper....
The history says Monty will not get any more than 3 receptions in any one game. That is the most he has gotten in a game so far - and for not many yards. So 7 or 8 receptions would more than double that. Not likely - to this point at least. And his 16 carries against the Bears exceed his previous high of 9 - which happened on 2 occasions this season. So while anything is possible - it looks like carries as a RB is where Monty will do most of his work - for now any way.
You're right, but I was hoping they'd use him as more of a receiver even if it's checkdowns as he's a dynamic runner in the open field.
That is a good hope - so don't give up on it. But, the down side in the MM offense, is that the RB has to be able to pick up the blitz. So he isn't usually thought of as a receiver - although many of us wish that were the case - at least a little more often. So keeping him in to do that means the TE and WRs will get almost all the passes. So it the RB is used as a receiver, it is a screen, a quick pass, or happens when things break down. Not a lot of opportunities in that.
I think the one thing Chicago did was blitz the corner when Monty was a receiver. It surprised me that AR didn't not seem to expect it & was sacked. He usually welcomes unblocked blizters because he knows somebody will be open.
His limited mobility had more to do with those sacks than not recognizing the D/blitz.
He never saw him until it was too late
I hope teams think they can blitz Aaron due to his limited mobility.
FLPACKER posted:He never saw him until it was too late
As a football fan, that is just really good. He comes in under control, perfect breakdown, wrap and tackle. No lunging or flailing, just a sure, solid, textbook tackle.
If he goes for a big hit, Rodgers likely steps around him, opening the potential for a big play but Hurst plays it to keep contain perfectly, leaving Rodgers nowhere to go.
I did the same thing against Stephen Hawking. He could not escape my clutches. I am brilliant.
Yep. Hurst was perfect. Well disguised. Great job. Perfect technique. As a football fan it's impressive. Hurst did an empty handful of nothing beyond that. But it was perfectly done!!!!
Then there are plays that actually effect the outcome of things.
Herschel posted:As a football fan, that is just really good. He comes in under control, perfect breakdown, wrap and tackle. No lunging or flailing, just a sure, solid, textbook tackle.
If he goes for a big hit, Rodgers likely steps around him, opening the potential for a big play but Hurst plays it to keep contain perfectly, leaving Rodgers nowhere to go.
A big play was just a tick away. It sure looks like 89 is breaking free heading to the right side of the end zone.
Aaron was surely looking left at the snap, and by the time he looked right, it indeed was too late. If he wasn't hurting, I'd assume he would likely try to duck under or twist away from Hurst's blitz, but it may not have made a difference.
Had he 'recognized' the blitz immediately, I think he had options for a "hot" receiver he could've made in plenty of time. No idea who that would be, but I'd think it would have to be the receiver closest to the area the blitz came from, so either Jordy or Cook. But it takes the potential for a big play away barring a missed tackle or other defensive breakdown...
ChilliJon posted:
Looks like he was taking that play off.
TBSS.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Montgomery does running the ball on Sunday.
Adrian Peterson thinks that we should expect big things
Take what AP says with a grain of salt. He can't exactly say rotten things about guys who work out with him, and he's in it for himself. It makes him look good to appear as if he is mentoring young guys. AP's biggest fan is himself.
I agree, but I was encouraged to see how much work monty put in this off season. 2 a-day workouts in the off season is really committed. Regardless of AP's comments, I'm expecting big things from Ty Montgomery this season.
Satori posted:
That's the difference - and that's why when GB saw some early success with Cobb at RB, they went out and found a "bigger Cobb" in the draft who can handle the pounding better.
Not so sure Monty has proven this yet. Year one- injury. Year two, banged up, but still playing. Year 3? Well, he has missed some of camp already...
