No worries FL Bob. Some good discussion overall.
Henry, I'm not surprised.
Interesting comment just now listening to Tauscher on ESPN MKE radio. Tausch asked Wilde who he sits between in the press box (Demovsky and Oates). Then asked if they'll lock arms tomorrow night? Wilde admitted they'll likely be busy writing, taping, taking photos so probably not - then said you could question their patriotism.
Mandatory patriotism is my second favorite kind of patriotism.
Floridarob posted:Obama was asked about the controversy over the football playerâs protest move during a CNN town hall with members of Americaâs armed forces community on Wednesday. Kaepernick, a quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, has sat or kneeled when the national anthem is played during recent games to draw attention to racial oppression in the U.S., especially police shootings of black men.
The president defended Kaepernick and others who have joined him in such acts, which many Americans consider offensive, saying, âWe fight sometimes so that people can do things that we disagree with.â But Obama also said people on both sides of the issue should keep open ears.
âSometimes out of these controversies, we start getting into a conversation, and I want everybody to listen to each other,â Obama said. âSo I want Mr. Kaepernick and others who are on a knee, I want them to listen to the pain that that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat, and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing.â
good Ol Obama, Translation-I dont want to say anything too controversial because afterall that it what I do. So I am going to see if I can stay on this fence just a couple more months before I can ride out of this office and let someone else deal with this ****.
I have been avoiding this topic with replying to anyone whether it be in person or over social media but this thread gives me hope.
Anyhow, my first thought on this is that I am a vet who served over 10 years in the military and I have known guys who have been killed or wounded. What I will say about that is that I loath what they are doing but, I fully and completely support their rights to do so.
My second thought is that it is important that Obama said was that "both sides of the issue should keep open ears" THIS is one thing I totally and completely agree with. All too often I hear that if you don't agree with the players you are a racist and the anti protest crowd will say "if you don't stand for the anthem then get out of my country."
What I personally would like to see if real conversations on what can be done to actually fix things which I think is missing right now. Protests are great and shows of unity are great but to me they will eventually lose their impact unless we pull together and see what can be done to FIX it.
But that leads me to question if that is even possible with how divided we are politically these days?
And my last thought on this is (and I am sure it wont be a popular thought) I just wish that we could get back to the place where politics weren't getting so ingrained in sports. I get where sports is a place it will make an impact but I also just want that three hour diversion from that stuff.
Patriot soaked anal tampons is my favorite patriotism.
Well said Heckler, and thank you.
McCarthy: Locking arms and honoring the flag I think is a very good thing.
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) September 27, 2017
and
McCarthy on players' statement: I was proud of the players, more so in the process the team has gone through. Put a lot of time and energy
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) September 27, 2017
Herschel posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:The U.S. is a nation divided. That is sad, but true. Trump has not done anything to fix that. If anything, he has continued to fan the flames. But if you think that he's primarily responsible, you either have selective memory or you haven't been paying attention. The divisiveness is a product of the conduct of people from various political parties, races, ideologies, etc.
This country is in need of serious healing, but I don't know how to accomplish that.
I don't think anyone reasonable is saying Trump is the cause, he's just the symptomatic outbreak of festering chancres secreting effluvium due to a deep-seeded infection.
Problem is that reasonable people are becoming a rare commodity. That and the unreasonable now have a huge megaphone to shout through via the world wide interweb.
Trump feels the need to shore up his base and he reflexively goes to the culture war with grievance and white resentment. Let's not minimize his enormous contribution to the current situation.
I blame a lot of the lack of civil discourse on the success of Fox News and Roger Ailes. Before I get flamed for that, I'll admit that I am a very socially liberal person (with some fiscal conservatism mixed in). I do have a lot of respect for the opinions of some of the Fox News commentators/reporters like Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith even though I don't agree with them because they present them in a lucid manner supported by facts.
However, people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, the people at Fox and Friends have created this us vs. them situation. Not to mention people like Rush Limbaugh and the truly reprehensible Alex Jones (no one should ever defend that piece of filth).
I'll get some pushback from people that say there are people that are just like that on the left. However, for the most part the left-wing opinion people have a much more fragmented audience (maybe Rachel Maddow is an exception). When I visit the rural area I grew up in, Fox News is dominant. The gas station pumps in some areas are playing it as you pump gas, the restaurants and bars are often playing it non-stop, etc. It is essentially state-associated propaganda at this point. People that listen to only FoxNews on the right (or only MSNBC on the left) have to broaden the perspectives they hear.
I think a great example of what could have a positive impact is the relationship that Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg had. I disagreed with Scalia's conclusions the vast majority of the time, but I often defended him to my even-more liberal friends. Why? Because he was a brilliant guy who argued with logic and reason. My opinion on constitutional originalism is very different (how can guys who owned slaves have perfect reasoning on anything?), but his view is the start of a scholarly argument you can have. By many accounts, Ginsberg and Scalia had a very warm relationship despite the fact that they were 180 degrees apart.
Solutions require hearing both sides of the argument and then compromising on the ultimate solution, realizing there are contributions that both sides can make. Take the epidemic violence in parts of Chicago. I generally support teacher's unions and anti-poverty programs, but I am willing to listen to how we can improve the impact of schools and social welfare programs because they clearly aren't working as well as they should. However, you can't ignore the fact that the are way, way, way too many guns in the United States and that the NRA (which over the last 30 years has essentially become one with the far right and the Republican base) needs to back off and let people discuss ways to develop better gun laws. That doesn't mean we take away hunting rifles or ban target shooting, but it does mean we should think about improving things even though the gun lobby may make less money selling assault rifles. At this point, the CDC can't even do surveys or research to examine what gun laws may work the best because they are barred from Congress from doing so.
My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism. Trump is a selfish, morally vacant human being. How can anyone see him mock disabled people, John McCain, gold-star families, etc. and retain support as he does? I voted for Hillary, but I'd have thought long and hard about it if I had the opportunity to vote for someone like Kasich or Romney (who I really liked when I lived in Massachusetts and he was governor - not the 2012 version of Romney that ran for President).
If they really wanted to show unity, they should all just pull a train.
Thanks MP....I agree pretty much with your take. And for those who don't know or forgot, Scalia, perhaps the most conservative supreme ever wrote the opinion that flag burning was to be considered free speech.
The issue is never the issue. The issue is ALWAYS the revolution.
I'm torn. I don't care about Trump and I don't care about this faux inequality bull****. either way, it's potentially ruining football. But whatever, this is about cultural marxism. Nothing more.
michiganjoe posted:Trump feels the need to shore up his base and he reflexively goes to the culture war with grievance and white resentment. Let's not minimize his enormous contribution to the current situation.
Agree, but the discussion was about the cause. IMO, he has escalated, not caused.
Henry posted:Patriot soaked anal tampons is my favorite patriotism.
Most people don't know that's what the red and white stripes in the American flag represent.
Steak?
You should always sing a Lee Greenwood song before sticking it up your ass or you hate America.
MichiganPacker posted:My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism.
He was nominated by conservatives and republicans. He was elected by conservatives and republicans. And he is supported by conservatives and republicans. None of the comments/issues you pointed out stopped any of that prior to election, and none of his comments/issues stop anything now.
His policies (such that they are) are basically in 100% lockstep with the current GOP policy goals. Saying that "Trump" isn't "really" the GOP is laughable.
CAPackFan95 posted:MichiganPacker posted:My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism.
He was nominated by conservatives and republicans. He was elected by conservatives and republicans. And he is supported by conservatives and republicans. None of the comments/issues you pointed out stopped any of that prior to election, and none of his comments/issues stop anything now.
His policies (such that they are) are basically in 100% lockstep with the current GOP policy goals. Saying that "Trump" isn't "really" the GOP is laughable.
Trump is the modern GOP, but he's not the classical conservative or republican (prior to the Southern Strategy), and that's part of the fragmentation. The masses of (mainly) Aggrieved White Males (AGM) in this country is semi-staggering.
The republicans made a deal with the devil and it's really coming home to roost. The racist, anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-using-your-brain movement has really taken hold in the United States, and it could be our downfall. Hillary was spot-on when she said that roughly half of Trump supporters were deplorable racists, they self-identified in polling. Sadly, 15% - 18% of those on "the left" identified at racists also.
That's right, the "good" group STILL has/had 15%-18% who identified as racists. Even though they were roughly a third as many as on the right, that's a real wake-up call. It's an issue if that's the percentage of the worst-offending group, but the better group? Unconscionable.
Henry posted:
You should always sing a Lee Greenwood song before sticking it up your ass or you hate America.
Anyone signing a Lee Greenwood song already hates the ears of any human within distance.
MichiganPacker posted:I blame a lot of the lack of civil discourse on the success of Fox News and Roger Ailes. Before I get flamed for that, I'll admit that I am a very socially liberal person (with some fiscal conservatism mixed in). I do have a lot of respect for the opinions of some of the Fox News commentators/reporters like Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith even though I don't agree with them because they present them in a lucid manner supported by facts.
However, people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, the people at Fox and Friends have created this us vs. them situation. Not to mention people like Rush Limbaugh and the truly reprehensible Alex Jones (no one should ever defend that piece of filth).
I'll get some pushback from people that say there are people that are just like that on the left. However, for the most part the left-wing opinion people have a much more fragmented audience (maybe Rachel Maddow is an exception). When I visit the rural area I grew up in, Fox News is dominant. The gas station pumps in some areas are playing it as you pump gas, the restaurants and bars are often playing it non-stop, etc. It is essentially state-associated propaganda at this point. People that listen to only FoxNews on the right (or only MSNBC on the left) have to broaden the perspectives they hear.
I think a great example of what could have a positive impact is the relationship that Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg had. I disagreed with Scalia's conclusions the vast majority of the time, but I often defended him to my even-more liberal friends. Why? Because he was a brilliant guy who argued with logic and reason. My opinion on constitutional originalism is very different (how can guys who owned slaves have perfect reasoning on anything?), but his view is the start of a scholarly argument you can have. By many accounts, Ginsberg and Scalia had a very warm relationship despite the fact that they were 180 degrees apart.
Solutions require hearing both sides of the argument and then compromising on the ultimate solution, realizing there are contributions that both sides can make. Take the epidemic violence in parts of Chicago. I generally support teacher's unions and anti-poverty programs, but I am willing to listen to how we can improve the impact of schools and social welfare programs because they clearly aren't working as well as they should. However, you can't ignore the fact that the are way, way, way too many guns in the United States and that the NRA (which over the last 30 years has essentially become one with the far right and the Republican base) needs to back off and let people discuss ways to develop better gun laws. That doesn't mean we take away hunting rifles or ban target shooting, but it does mean we should think about improving things even though the gun lobby may make less money selling assault rifles. At this point, the CDC can't even do surveys or research to examine what gun laws may work the best because they are barred from Congress from doing so.
My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism. Trump is a selfish, morally vacant human being. How can anyone see him mock disabled people, John McCain, gold-star families, etc. and retain support as he does? I voted for Hillary, but I'd have thought long and hard about it if I had the opportunity to vote for someone like Kasich or Romney (who I really liked when I lived in Massachusetts and he was governor - not the 2012 version of Romney that ran for President).
You lost me when you said "Maybe Rachel Madow is an exception". the spinter gal that says Anthony Wieners sex photos were photo shopped has a lot of credibility.
While Hannity is tough to take I will take him anytime over Madow. And anyone that thinks CNN, NBC, and CBS are fair political news sources then that is just silly.
While fox may be on the TV in rural area, I can assure you CNN is on in every public viewing place in all suburban and urban areas. And they still cant beat Sesame Street in their ratings.
oh by the way, I lean to the right in my political and social beliefs if there was any doubt.
Herschel posted:Henry posted:
You should always sing a Lee Greenwood song before sticking it up your ass or you hate America.
Anyone signing a Lee Greenwood song already hates the ears of any human within distance.
I would think people that are "signing" a Lee Greenwood song are not offending anyone that can hear. Maybe the deaf and dumb. 
BrainDed posted:Agree, but the discussion was about the cause. IMO, he has escalated, not caused.
Divisions Trump is attempting to exploit politically have existed since the formation of the country. That doesn't give him a pass for what I view as vile and despicable behavior.
The fact of the matter is Trump was elected and while he did get votes from "republicans" the only reason he won is a lot of people chose not to vote or voted for 3rd party candidates. If you want to be outraged I'd look in that direction.
The divide in this country has been growing for decades and it runs parallel to the economic gap that continues to widen between the haves and have nots. In my view that form of "inequality" tends to resonate the most with everyone as it's a common theme. The racism issue to me is secondary to classism because it's a function of power and control - who holds it and who is fighting to get it.
What bothers me the most is people just aren't willing to sit down and talk through their issues anymore. Technology has made it worse. And don't even get me started on education. We have a lot of people in this country that can't function on a 5th grade level much less a high school level. The dumbing down of America is real people and we need to fix it.
Tschmack posted:The fact of the matter is Trump was elected and while he did get votes from "republicans" the only reason he won is a lot of people chose not to vote or voted for 3rd party candidates.
The divide in this country has been growing for decades and it runs parallel to the economic gap that continues to widen between the haves and have nots. In my view that form of "inequality" tends to resonate the most with everyone as it's a common theme. The racism issue to me is secondary to classism because it's a function of power and control - who holds it and who is fighting to get it.
What bothers me the most is people just aren't willing to sit down and talk through their issues anymore. Technology has made it worse. And don't even get me started on education. We have a lot of people in this country that can't function on a 5th grade level much less a high school level. The dumbing down of America is real people and we need to fix it.
When a majority of the country is convinced that evolution doesn't happen, you know the scientific literacy of the country is a real problem. Same thing with climate change. The problem is that people don't believe real, hard data and have been conditioned to distrust experts who have spent their whole lives studying these things.
Floridarob posted:MichiganPacker posted:I blame a lot of the lack of civil discourse on the success of Fox News and Roger Ailes. Before I get flamed for that, I'll admit that I am a very socially liberal person (with some fiscal conservatism mixed in). I do have a lot of respect for the opinions of some of the Fox News commentators/reporters like Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith even though I don't agree with them because they present them in a lucid manner supported by facts.
However, people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, the people at Fox and Friends have created this us vs. them situation. Not to mention people like Rush Limbaugh and the truly reprehensible Alex Jones (no one should ever defend that piece of filth).
I'll get some pushback from people that say there are people that are just like that on the left. However, for the most part the left-wing opinion people have a much more fragmented audience (maybe Rachel Maddow is an exception). When I visit the rural area I grew up in, Fox News is dominant. The gas station pumps in some areas are playing it as you pump gas, the restaurants and bars are often playing it non-stop, etc. It is essentially state-associated propaganda at this point. People that listen to only FoxNews on the right (or only MSNBC on the left) have to broaden the perspectives they hear.
I think a great example of what could have a positive impact is the relationship that Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg had. I disagreed with Scalia's conclusions the vast majority of the time, but I often defended him to my even-more liberal friends. Why? Because he was a brilliant guy who argued with logic and reason. My opinion on constitutional originalism is very different (how can guys who owned slaves have perfect reasoning on anything?), but his view is the start of a scholarly argument you can have. By many accounts, Ginsberg and Scalia had a very warm relationship despite the fact that they were 180 degrees apart.
Solutions require hearing both sides of the argument and then compromising on the ultimate solution, realizing there are contributions that both sides can make. Take the epidemic violence in parts of Chicago. I generally support teacher's unions and anti-poverty programs, but I am willing to listen to how we can improve the impact of schools and social welfare programs because they clearly aren't working as well as they should. However, you can't ignore the fact that the are way, way, way too many guns in the United States and that the NRA (which over the last 30 years has essentially become one with the far right and the Republican base) needs to back off and let people discuss ways to develop better gun laws. That doesn't mean we take away hunting rifles or ban target shooting, but it does mean we should think about improving things even though the gun lobby may make less money selling assault rifles. At this point, the CDC can't even do surveys or research to examine what gun laws may work the best because they are barred from Congress from doing so.
My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism. Trump is a selfish, morally vacant human being. How can anyone see him mock disabled people, John McCain, gold-star families, etc. and retain support as he does? I voted for Hillary, but I'd have thought long and hard about it if I had the opportunity to vote for someone like Kasich or Romney (who I really liked when I lived in Massachusetts and he was governor - not the 2012 version of Romney that ran for President).
You lost me when you said "Maybe Rachel Madow is an exception". the spinter gal that says Anthony Wieners sex photos were photo shopped has a lot of credibility.
While Hannity is tough to take I will take him anytime over Madow. And anyone that thinks CNN, NBC, and CBS are fair political news sources then that is just silly.
While fox may be on the TV in rural area, I can assure you CNN is on in every public viewing place in all suburban and urban areas. And they still cant beat Sesame Street in their ratings.
oh by the way, I lean to the right in my political and social beliefs if there was any doubt.
You seem to be making the argument that any media outside of Fox News is biased against the conservative viewpoint and therefore bordering on "fake news." I've had people tell me the only news source they ever will trust is Fox News. Is that your take as well?
I agree - but I'm 45 and that wasn't the way I was taught to think or learn and I grew up in a relatively conservative environment. Debunking science and data and logic and reason is a more recent phenomenon and unfortunately that mindset is being promoted by the current administration.
Striving to learn and expand your knowledge and thinking used to be celebrated and encouraged. Now it's viewed as a birth defect. That's not good for anyone. Your ability to earn and influence others and impact change is directly proportional to the level and depth of your education.
Make America Great Again should be about investing back into education as that is what drives innovation and creativity and development which ultimately drives growth.
Tschmack posted:
Make America Great Again should be about investing back into education as that is what drives innovation and creativity and development which ultimately drives growth.
Trump achieved his goal, he brought this simmering pile of garbage that Goodell and the league allowed to fester to the boiling point. And now they are backtracking big time all over the MSM.
Yeah, it was never about inequality. And it will never be about inner city black violence either, who cares about shootings in Chicago and other inner cities and black victims? It was always anti American.
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MichiganPacker posted:Floridarob posted:MichiganPacker posted:I blame a lot of the lack of civil discourse on the success of Fox News and Roger Ailes. Before I get flamed for that, I'll admit that I am a very socially liberal person (with some fiscal conservatism mixed in). I do have a lot of respect for the opinions of some of the Fox News commentators/reporters like Chris Wallace and Shepard Smith even though I don't agree with them because they present them in a lucid manner supported by facts.
However, people like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, the people at Fox and Friends have created this us vs. them situation. Not to mention people like Rush Limbaugh and the truly reprehensible Alex Jones (no one should ever defend that piece of filth).
I'll get some pushback from people that say there are people that are just like that on the left. However, for the most part the left-wing opinion people have a much more fragmented audience (maybe Rachel Maddow is an exception). When I visit the rural area I grew up in, Fox News is dominant. The gas station pumps in some areas are playing it as you pump gas, the restaurants and bars are often playing it non-stop, etc. It is essentially state-associated propaganda at this point. People that listen to only FoxNews on the right (or only MSNBC on the left) have to broaden the perspectives they hear.
I think a great example of what could have a positive impact is the relationship that Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg had. I disagreed with Scalia's conclusions the vast majority of the time, but I often defended him to my even-more liberal friends. Why? Because he was a brilliant guy who argued with logic and reason. My opinion on constitutional originalism is very different (how can guys who owned slaves have perfect reasoning on anything?), but his view is the start of a scholarly argument you can have. By many accounts, Ginsberg and Scalia had a very warm relationship despite the fact that they were 180 degrees apart.
Solutions require hearing both sides of the argument and then compromising on the ultimate solution, realizing there are contributions that both sides can make. Take the epidemic violence in parts of Chicago. I generally support teacher's unions and anti-poverty programs, but I am willing to listen to how we can improve the impact of schools and social welfare programs because they clearly aren't working as well as they should. However, you can't ignore the fact that the are way, way, way too many guns in the United States and that the NRA (which over the last 30 years has essentially become one with the far right and the Republican base) needs to back off and let people discuss ways to develop better gun laws. That doesn't mean we take away hunting rifles or ban target shooting, but it does mean we should think about improving things even though the gun lobby may make less money selling assault rifles. At this point, the CDC can't even do surveys or research to examine what gun laws may work the best because they are barred from Congress from doing so.
My final comment. Trump does not represent conservatism or Republicanism. Trump is a selfish, morally vacant human being. How can anyone see him mock disabled people, John McCain, gold-star families, etc. and retain support as he does? I voted for Hillary, but I'd have thought long and hard about it if I had the opportunity to vote for someone like Kasich or Romney (who I really liked when I lived in Massachusetts and he was governor - not the 2012 version of Romney that ran for President).
You lost me when you said "Maybe Rachel Madow is an exception". the spinter gal that says Anthony Wieners sex photos were photo shopped has a lot of credibility.
While Hannity is tough to take I will take him anytime over Madow. And anyone that thinks CNN, NBC, and CBS are fair political news sources then that is just silly.
While fox may be on the TV in rural area, I can assure you CNN is on in every public viewing place in all suburban and urban areas. And they still cant beat Sesame Street in their ratings.
oh by the way, I lean to the right in my political and social beliefs if there was any doubt.
You seem to be making the argument that any media outside of Fox News is biased against the conservative viewpoint and therefore bordering on "fake news." I've had people tell me the only news source they ever will trust is Fox News. Is that your take as well?
You indicate there is a news source out there that isnt biased against the conservative viewpoint. If there is one outside Fox news I have not found it. There is nothing maddow can say or anyone on MSNBC for that matter that isnt just pure garbage. Donald Trump could expose himself to 3 year olds and Sean Hannity would still support him so I dont take him seriously. I cannot accept CNN because their polticial bias is so tainted based on pure hate of Trump. I do like their regular news coverage over anyone elses tho. Bill Oreilly and Glen Beck are just too far out in right field. I do like Tucker Carlson. I think he is smart, doesnt let anyone get by with their cliche answers and holds people to defend their comments. But at the end of the day he does give them respect. I do like Chris Matthews. But Rachel Maddow, I loathe. Anyone that defends Anthony Wiener is disgusting.
I think it best if we keep media affiliations and preferences out of the discussion. This discussion is really about what we as individuals think. On our own. And where things should go from here. It should not be about something subjective such as where we stand on the thoughts of Madow and Hannity and their agenda to cloud constructive thinking.
This entire discussion will bog down to a misguided CF if it turns to which media outlet actually has things buttoned up. That and this entire discussion isn't about which media outlet gets it better than another. That path leads nowhere.
Loved the Post headline the other day. "Wiener Gets Hard Time"
CAPackFan95 posted:Tschmack posted:
Make America Great Again should be about investing back into education as that is what drives innovation and creativity and development which ultimately drives growth.
You nailed it! With this idot at the helm it is not going to happen. She knows it too and is laughing in our faces.
excalibur posted:And it will never be about inner city black violence either, who cares about shootings in Chicago and other inner cities and black victims?
I'm sure this is your biggest concern here.
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CAPackFan95 posted:excalibur posted:And it will never be about inner city black violence either, who cares about shootings in Chicago and other inner cities and black victims?
I'm sure this is your biggest concern here.
I'm sure you could care less from your snark.
And where are all the brave kneelers over the slaughter in inner cities?
There is one thing good about DeVos (and most likely only one): at least she's the wealthy member of Cabinet who travels on her own plane on her own dime. (See: Price, Tom, for a money-sucking appointee)
Yes, a schism in this country was opening prior to Trump but shouldn't a president be the one to try to bring people together rather than drive the wedge deeper? He has done every possible thing to use wedge issues to deepen the splits among Americans. It's like he sees himself as a puppet-master standing above everyone, pulling strings to sow discord and watch the people dance, while he laughs maniacally at the show...
yet the only ones being pointedly stopped are the ones you say are doing it in a sad and hateful way.
Charles Murray, not sad or hateful at all, was assaulted at Middlebury.
Fandame posted:There is one thing good about DeVos (and most likely only one): at least she's the wealthy member of Cabinet who travels on her own plane on her own dime. (See: Price, Tom, for a money-sucking appointee)
Yes, a schism in this country was opening prior to Trump but shouldn't a president be the one to try to bring people together rather than drive the wedge deeper? He has done every possible thing to use wedge issues to deepen the splits among Americans. It's like he sees himself as a puppet-master standing above everyone, pulling strings to sow discord and watch the people dance, while he laughs maniacally at the show...
Could not agree with you more on the highlighted-point above regarding Trump sowing division among the populace.
Funny thing is though, I think President Obama did pretty much the exact same thing albeit with greater intelligence, class, and support from the establishment.
