Yeah Caldwell needs to stop condoning this crap. He doesn't have to throw his guy under the bus, but he has to be smarter than that. I still don't think he's a douche like Schwartz, but he needs to stop condoning this kind of crap. I don't care if he's a "players coach" either.
Really, what is Caldwell supposed to say? He's not gonna criticize his player, at least not publically immediately following the game on a play that wasn't even flagged as a penalty. And he can't really say nothing. So he minimizes it. I guess he could Cromer him and I'm sure that would placate the team....or at least the fans of the other team.
What about "I haven't seen the tape so I won't comment on the play"? That's a perfectly diplomatic answer that doesn't condone the act while not throwing his guy under the bus. I hear smart coaches, like McCarthy say that all the time. By saying it wasn't a stomp, he backs himself into a corner...either he's defending a dirty play which makes him look like he condones dirty play OR he doesn't really know and is talking out of his ass. In reality he probably hasn't fully seen it and shouldn't be commenting. If the league says it wasn't a stomp (which I doubt they will) THEN he can aggressively defend his player, but if the league fines or suspends him then he can say something more diplomatic about learning lessons or whatever. Not a smart move by Caldwell, for the second week in a row he's going to have egg on his face over blindly defending a dirty player.
And as the HC, how would you follow up the non-answer when it's revisited later in the week by the media?
Depends on what the league says. If Suh is cleared then he can defend his guy however much he wants. If the league fines or suspends Suh then he should throw out whatever coaching cliche he wants about learning lessons and they don't condone dirty play and blah blah blah.
Caldwell isn't even aggressive about his defense. Passionate guys like Rex Ryan make fools out of themselves constantly by defending their players like crazy, but I think it actually inspired his players. Caldwell tries to exude the quiet calmness of Tony Dungy, but he's about half as smart as Dungy.
I saw that in your previous post. You must have added to it while I was typing. I'm not defending Caldwell at all. I just don't see there being a tremendous response he could give. Maybe nothing at all would've been best. Still doesn't seem like the douche named Schwartz.
Until Caldwell actually does clean up the play in Detroit like he keeps saying he is going to do and we stop seeing this crap every week from Detoilet he is nothing more than SchwartzII. And don't give me any of the off the field stuff, let the courts handle that. I'm talking on the field play.
Let's be honest. No coach can clean up Suh. He's a mentally unstable, violent, asswipe. All you have to do is stress him out and he will break.... or he'll break someone else. Suspension is just a prelude to jail time.
Originally Posted by ammo:
Until Caldwell actually does clean up the play in Detroit like he keeps saying he is going to do and we stop seeing this crap every week from Detoilet he is nothing more than SchwartzII. And don't give me any of the off the field stuff, let the courts handle that. I'm talking on the field play.
This.
**** any other argument.
If Caldwell was a real coach, he wouldn't wait for the league to handle it. I guess player discipline is pretty much out the window, unless it's a no-name rookie.
Suh's crap wasn't the only dirty play from them today. Lots of late hits, and on one of Jordy's receptions, a player comes flying over the top late, looking for Nelson's head with his elbow/forearm (mid-4th qtr, Detroit player #94?).
The point is, as I wrote in another thread, there is an OBVIOUS problem in Detroit, and whatever punishment the league has meted out over the years hasn't cured it. I like the idea of an 8 game suspension, just so the player loses his salary for that long, but a better idea is for them to lose a draft pick, specifically their first one in next draft. It's the only way for both coaches and players to clean that chit up.
Either that or wait until a player sues the league (and hopefully the union, too!) for not taking action...
There are other teams/players/coaches (cough...Jeff Fisher...cough, cough....Brandon Merriwether, cough...Denver Broncos) that are deserving of the same punishment. It's remarkable how most teams don't have 'dirty' players, while some teams have multiple players.
Do you guys/gals see any differences between The Loins and the Saints "bountygate"? The only one is the Saints tried to be subtle whereas the Loins don't care who sees?
yes. how many times did Jordy's head get a little "slap" by a Detroit player flying in late?
I am sure they were coached to do that....meaning....if a Packer's receiver catches the ball over the middle, "punish" him. Probably most DC's tell their defense that...but, some players believe that that means only to go for the head. Hence, Detroit's problem.
just like the spearing play when the defender dives head first into Lacy -- instead of tapping a player already down on the ground
One thought that came to my mind, and it's not in the same category, but there are parallels. I remember a few years ago Tommie Harris sacked and wrapped up AR. After the game, AR said that Harris could've hurt him pretty bad and really twisted his ankle, on the tackle and wrap up, but he didn't. AR said they had done some charity work together and became friends, and AR thinks thats one of the reasons that Harris didn't try to "hurt" him.
You want players to play hard, and go to the whistle, and not cross the line. For Suh, that is impossible, he doesn't have a line. The NFL has to show some sack and suspend him for 1 playoff game, but I doubt they will. Would the punishment be different is AR is out for the playoffs, due to that play? It's like hockey, you have to punish the play, not the outcome of the play (if the player gets knocked out, or has a concussion, etc.).
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
He should have to play for the Detroit Lions.
A little cruel and unusual, no?
Suh's a free agent- which team is going to sign this guy for $20+ million and make him the face... err ass of the franchise ?
Someone will do it. There are always plenty of teams willing to take a chance on a "bad guy" thinking it will be different for the player in the new team's city.
thing is, Sue is mostly hype and little action, annnnd now he's Linsley's beeotch.
I'd take our very own Mike Daniels over him without even contemplating.
Just watched a different angle of the two-step Suh put on Rodgers (one I hadn't seen anyway). I actually think Suh may have stepped on AR's foot and then ankle from a block by Lang unintentionally. But when he's on Rodgers' shin he knows it, steps back with his other foot and then puts his weight on AR's shin. The first two (foot and shin) could be argued as NOT intentional. But the third was absolutely intentional in that he put his weight on Aaron.
Here's the link to the story/video from the Detroit Free Press.
Caldwell needs to dump Kocurek, his defensive line coach, who's been in Detroit for six years if he's serious in addition to benching Suh and others. Clearly, the guy coaches that crap and needs to go if Caldwell is serious about cleaning up his team's act.
http://www.freep.com/videos/sp...2014/12/29/20989553/
There's the game analysis from two of the Lion beat writers. They discuss the Suh stomp about halfway through and neither one buys the claim that it was unintentional.
Suh also has a little/subtle twist of his foot when he steps off ARs leg. He steps back and twists a little to the left. Look for it. Back, and to the left.
Somebody in the NFL is going to get real tired of Suh's nonsense and take his knees out.... and there won't be a soul outside of Detroit that gives a **** about it.
Concur
I called Tonya Harding yesterday to see if Gilluly is still available for offsite knee adjustments
Suh suspension could be coming Monday
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2014, 2:10 PM EST
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Last Monday, the league office suspended Lions center Dominic Raiola. This Monday, the league office may suspend defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.
If it happens, it will happen today, with an expedited appeal occurring on Tuesday and a resolution by Wednesday.
Don’t be surprised if that’s precisely what occurs. Regardless of Suh’s history, his step onto the lower leg of Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers suggests intent. The first step was apparently accidental. The second one seemed to be deliberate, especially in light of the way Suh lifted his other leg off the ground to deliver maximum force to Rodgers’ leg.
Suh likewise showed no acknowledgement or remorse for what supposedly was an accident, even as Rodgers reacted angrily to the move.
While Rodgers apparently didn’t suffer any specific injury due to the incident, the goal of protecting players from unnecessary harm compels the league to protect them from unnecessary contact. Why wait for a player’s leg to break before taking serious action against someone who steps hard on a player’s leg?
Ndamukong Suh has been at the center of a player safety violation every year since entering the NFL. Now seven total.
Ndamukong Suh is being suspended for Sunday's game against Dallas, per @mortreport. When he appeals, hearing officer will be Ted Cottrell.
OK, I'm going to be the bad guy on this.
I thinks Suh should be suspended, but I hope he is not. I would prefer he play against the Cowboys because I want the loins to win. In my opinion, we have a better chance getting to the NFCC if we play ARI/CAR and then hope the loins can somehow beat Seattle.
I can't stand the guy, but......
Actually Doc, did you watch Suh at all yesterday? Got completely stoned multiple times from one Corey Linsley. Lang also neutralized him.
Cowboys OL in all probability would have done the same. The wrecker on that D is Levy. And he'll be playing on Sunday,
And fu** you Suh. Got precisely what he deserved. Now let's hope the league tells him to shove his appeal up his ass.
If you're going to come at the king you'd better kill him
@WesHod: Assuming the suspension is upheld, all three #NFL games Ndamukong Suh has missed will have been result of action against a #Packers player.
If I was running the league, I would institute a policy similar to the NBA has for technical fouls. First, two personal fouls in a game and you are thrown out. Includes all personal fouls (unnecessary roughness, taunting, excessive celebration, face mask, etc) because that crap needs to be cleaned up (although I think they need to relax on excessive celebration on TDs and turnovers, and crack down on it mid-field). Make them reviewable (like college) so you get it right.
Second, have something in place for the season where you determine the average number of personal fouls for unnecessary roughness in a season across every defensive player and offensive player (separately) as well as a standard deviation. If you're significantly higher (maybe 3 deviations from the median), you get suspended for each one over that number. For example, maybe the average is 2 and standard deviation is 1. For every personal foul over 5, you get a game suspension. Of course, the league would need to review each foul and rescind (like the NBA does) but that's easy.
Do the same for teams too, where you lose draft picks if your team has significantly more personal fouls than the league average. Guarantee this would clean up the game.
Great news! We may never see that puss-bag in powder-blue again.
If Suh's appeal is denied, it would mean Detroit would be without both of its first-round defensive tackle selections. Coach Jim Caldwell said Monday it would take "a miracle" for defensive tackle Nick Fairley to play against the Cowboys. Fairley has not played or practiced since injuring his knee against Atlanta in Week 8.
Originally Posted by packerboi:
Actually Doc, did you watch Suh at all yesterday? Got completely stoned multiple times from one Corey Linsley. Lang also neutralized him.
Disagree.
Suh was dominant at times yesterday.
Pot don't like kettle
@InsideNFLMedia: .@WarrenSapp on Suh: "I’m disgusted by his actions."
I might be in the minority, but I never thought Sapp was a dirty player.
Regardless, I'm surprised that the NFL did what needed to be done. I doubt Suh cares, and has been pointed out, he's losing less money that its a playoff game share and not a regular season check.
I wonder how this affects his free agency. Teams have to know that if he gets suspended for this, any questionable on-field play will result in another suspension (possibly longer). Hard to give $12-15m a year to a guy that is being watched like a hawk and still plays dirty, no matter how talented he is.