@Satori posted:

One of the things Gute specifically mentioned in his interview was the idea of trading picks for vet players. Gute mentioned it in his Indy presser and again in his interview above with Larry at the 1:11 mark

Well, at least you heard it here first.

Zach Kruse at Packers Wire with his article that coincidentally came out after the post above. Perhaps these guys are reading X4 ?

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...for-veteran-players/

Zach wrote:

"On two separate occasions already this offseason, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst has mentioned the possibility of using some of his draft capital — which includes five picks in the top 100 selections — to trade for a veteran player."

No, we have to trade down and draft even more rookies. I read it on the internet so it must be true.

@Tschmack mentioned a 2nd for Budda Baker....I say that's too much.

If they do the 2nd rounder, then swap 3rds...and I'm talking #57 in the 2nd round, NOT the Jets pick (#41)

one of those two MLBs from tampa would be nice - those guys are smart and fast

I didn't realize Lavante David was 34.  So maybe not a good way to spend $ unless he comes cheap.

Just posted by Tom Silverstein at JSO. I’ll preface with a clarifying tweet Silverstein just added.

@TomSilverstein:  Let me clarify the story I wrote on Aaron Jones. The #Packers met to try to reduce his salary cap number. I don't know that they're asking for a pay cut. I should have made that clear. It could be a restructure. The idea is to just get his cap number down. Sorry for the confusion.

Also, those that are blowing up the line about them cutting him, I was pointing out how that was an option but not a likely one. It's an option with anyone who has a high cap number, but I would suspect they would do everything in their power not to do that.

Packers met with Aaron Jones' agent Drew Rosenhaus in hopes of reducing Jones' cap number

INDIANAPOLIS – Green Bay Packers officials have met with running back Aaron Jones’ agent at the NFL scouting combine in hopes of reaching agreement on a salary cap cut that would make the final year of his contract more to their liking.

According to a source, the Packers and agent Drew Rosenhaus are trying to get to a number that would satisfy the team’s desire to lower his salary cap number. How they would reduce the salary cap number remains to be sen.

If the two can’t reach agreement in the next two weeks, the Packers could release him and then hope whatever they are offering isn’t matched on the open market. But they would risk losing him to another team.

Jones is scheduled to earn a base salary of $11 million plus a per-game roster bonus worth a maximum of $258,824 and a workout bonus of $500,000.

The Packers probably want to cut his cap number given Jones missed six games and was limited in several others due to hamstring and knee injuries. When Jones came back from a torn left medial collateral ligament, he went on a tear, with 100-yard performances in the final three regular-season games.

In the playoffs, he had two more 100-yard games and scored three touchdowns in the victory over Dallas.

All told, Jones had 102 carries for 584 yards (5.73 average) and three touchdowns and 11 catches for 77 yards during the five-game stretch. For the regular season, he had 142 carries for 656 yards (4.62) and two touchdowns plus 30 catches for 233 yards and a touchdown.

Jones, who turns 30 in December, played in 17 games and had a 213-carry, 1,121-yard season in 2022, but after last season, the Packers are going to want to limit his snaps next season and introduce a possible successor into the mix.

The Packers aren’t expected to re-sign free agent A.J. Dillon and so 2023 undrafted free agent Emanuel Wilson is the only option to handle a bulk load. With at least 11 selections (including an estimated three compensatory picks), it’s likely the Packers will address the position somewhere in the draft.

Jones is probably more valuable to the Packers than he is to other teams, but at the same time the benefit of playing with quarterback Jordan Love and an offensive line that loves blocking for him makes Green Bay the ideal place for him.

The Packers have cut around $7 million in cap space with adjustments to Rashan Gary and Preston Smith’s contracts and would gain another $5 million or so if they’re able to get Jones to take their number.

If the Packers cut left tackle David Bakhtiari ($21 million cap savings) and linebacker De’Vondre Campbell ($2.6 million), which are strong possibilities, they will have created roughly $30 million in cap space this off-season.

With that much cap room, they’ll be able to sign some high-priced free agents and do a Love contract extension.

@DH13 posted:

I didn't realize Lavante David was 34.  So maybe not a good way to spend $ unless he comes cheap.

Yup, hard pass.

@Tdog posted:

one of those two MLBs from tampa would be nice - those guys are smart and fast

You probably haven’t watched them since the NFCC in 2020. They aren’t the same players anymore.

didn't see 'em a lot last season but in the playoffs saw the same read, react, fill the hole speed that I don't see out of our guys

They played well vs. Philly in the playoffs. IMO.

But still.....34....is lonnnnnngggg in the tooth.

But Devin White OTOH.....is 25 🤔🧐

AV is a stat from Pro Football Reference that measures " Approximate Value" for players based on play time, skills and results.

Here's a chart on Gutekunst's work in rounds 4 - 7 over the last couple years. He's made lots of picks and he's nailed lots of picks.
A starting RT in the 4th ( Z. Tom) among them, that's tremendous value

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIAMJHZWwAEzYkl.png:large

Look at the Bears and Rams! 🤯

Brian Gutekunst at the next press conference pic.twitter.com/M7to3QWZk2

— Fetty (@ChiefJustice106) March 11, 2024

No doubt Gutey was cooking today.

Woke up with his piss hot.

I hate when that happens.

You know what I like....Brian Gutenkunst.

He sees a weakness and attacks it at all sides.... he goes gets a free agent and he drafts the position as well.

I think the Gutey, LeFleur duo are going to have a magnificent run in Green Bay

X4 never forgets.

Hubristic chortling!

This is more like Gutey at next PC:

From Andy Herman:

@DH13 posted:

Woke up with his piss hot.

3 or 4 times a night for me.

Listening to ESPN Wisconsin with Tauscher and Wilde. The question was asked, do you have blind faith in Guty? Tauscher said yes and 73% of the poll says yes. Do you?

Blind faith, no. That would make us sheep. But I think Gute gets it right more often than not. And I think some of his larger criticisms do not take into account that dolts like Mark Murphy over rode his decisions and also that this organization had to bow down Rodgers and his demands.

One is out of this organization and the other soon will be. That only helps Gute to be the kind of GM he wants to be and should be.

He is doing great, considering the money/organizational constraints he has to deal with.  Keep it up.

I wish Murphy had left the organization structure in place. Why he had to fix something that wasn't broken is mind boggling. Maybe the committee can come back in and reverse that dumb decision.

@packerboi posted:

Blind faith, no. That would make us sheep. But I think Gute gets it right more often than not. And I think some of his larger criticisms do not take into account that dolts like Mark Murphy over rode his decisions and also that this organization had to bow down Rodgers and his demands.

One is out of this organization and the other soon will be. That only helps Gute to be the kind of GM he wants to be and should be.

Great points PB

Blind faith was a poor choice of words; benefit of the doubt is much better.

@packerboi posted:

Blind faith, no. That would make us sheep. But I think Gute gets it right more often than not. And I think some of his larger criticisms do not take into account that dolts like Mark Murphy over rode his decisions and also that this organization had to bow down Rodgers and his demands.

One is out of this organization and the other soon will be. That only helps Gute to be the kind of GM he wants to be and should be.

He and MLF appear to have gotten the QB decision right.

In today's NFL that's about 90% of it. If you don't have the QB you need, you end up spending years and tens of millions of dollars investing in guys like Kirk Cousins who are good enough to win enough games to not get you fired, but aren't quite good enough with the amount of money you have to invest in terms of salary cap in them to really contend for a title.

If Jordan Love looks like anything he did for the last two months, Gute is going to be here for a long time.

I'll say that I have blind faith in Gutey simply because there's no other choice.
It's hard to second-guess his decisions also. What looks like something that makes no sense at the time they are made may make perfect sense weeks or months later.

@packerboi posted:

Blind faith, no. That would make us sheep. But I think Gute gets it right more often than not. And I think some of his larger criticisms do not take into account that dolts like Mark Murphy over rode his decisions and also that this organization had to bow down Rodgers and his demands.

One is out of this organization and the other soon will be. That only helps Gute to be the kind of GM he wants to be and should be.

Blind faith? No, but I trust him more & more. He's made moves like trading Rasul & cutting Aaron Jones. Very unpopular but it's quite clear nothing is sacred anymore.

Once Rodgers was finally out the door....everything changed. It seems Murphy has stepped back and is letting Gutey cook which is something Murphy should've done from day 1. INCLUDING 2022 🤬

Gutey is becoming the cold hearted assassin like the guy that taught him....TT

@Boris posted:

Blind faith?

Absolutely.

Its just like boarding an airplane. I blindly, but faithfully, put my life in their hands.  And I know with great certainty I cannot do their jobs.

Football GM is the same.
Its just that some fans think they know how to fly the plane...

Oh, and just because...

@Timmy! posted:

Oh, and just because...

You’re taking me back in time!  Great musicians.

@packerboi posted:

Blind faith, no. That would make us sheep. ...

Or wasted and unable to find your way home.

@Pikes Peak posted:

3 or 4 times a night for me.

Stay out of Thailand.

Just read this in Insider Inbox on the Packers site:

"ATMY (WCBW) over the last four free agency periods the Packers have lost 12 players to NFC North rivals: '24 - A. Jones (Min), J. Owens (Chi); '23 - D. Lowry (Min), R. Tonyan & M. Lewis (Chi); '22 - Z. Smith & C. Sullivan (Min), L. Patrick & E. St. Brown (Chi); '21 - J. Williams & T. Boyle (Det), P. Nickerson (Min) and only signed one; P. O'Donnell (from Chi).

"Seems BG knows a thing or two, huh?"

You'd think the other three teams would learn that if they're out of GB, there's not much left in the tank. Maybe they'll get one good year (J. Williams, Z. Smith), but that's about it. We'll see what Jones and Owens do, but I don't think the trend will be broken anytime soon. 

In the meantime, anyone know how many GB has signed from the other three teams?

One important one, Gilbert Brown.