For the D&D players out there, it's not intelligence he's lacking, it's wisdom.
@Floridarob posted:I know that I am not dumb and I think AR is a pretty smart guy. Total recall of stuff that happened 15 years ago. Pretty smart in my book. He would definetley beat me in Jeaporday. Even if I was given the answers ahead of time. But maybe Times four is filled with Savants. Who knew?
Well, I am dumb as shit and I think he is a right ole Einstein. 😊
I know some intelligent people who are dumbasses. People with almost perfect recall yet they can’t get their lives in order.
Look up the name Christopher Langan for an interesting example.
@vitaflo posted:I'll answer the second question. No.
Thinking we were ever one rookie away from a Super Bowl is fools gold. It's one of the dumbest takes in all of sports. People have the benefit of hindsight with all these picks (including Love). The *only* reason people say "We could of had Tee Higgins!" is because he happened to turn out half way decent. We just as likely could have drafted Isaiah Wilson (OT, 1st round, 29th overall in 2020) who only played in 1 game in his entire career and is already out of the league because he was so bad.
Patrick Queen was there.
Michael Pittman Jr. was there.
Kyle Dugger was there.
All guys who could have made a difference. That's the balancing act.
I remember Queen being poor the first 2 years. His play took off with a position change. Somehow he was going to lead us to the Super Bowl as a rookie? Give me the franchise QB any day.
@Herschel posted:Patrick Queen was there.
Michael Pittman Jr. was there.
Kyle Dugger was there.
All guys who could have made a difference. That's the balancing act.
If you read the actual 2020 Draft thread here, everyone there wanted Queen or Mims. Literally nobody said anything about Higgins btw, that's all hindsight.
In any case, everyone talking about ROOKIES getting us to the Super Bowl miss the fact that what we should have done was get a FA vet to get us over the hump but we didn't. You could have paid one or two guys to come in to compete for a title AND gotten Love. But no, everyone wants to talk about how we were one rookie away. Ridiculous.
I don't think anyone is arguing a free agent wouldn't have helped, the argument was that Gutekunst did nothing to get the current team to the Super Bowl. He didn't fill a major need through either means and without said free agency move(s) the remaining option was the draft. He could have tried for both, again, that's not the argument, but instead just went in on the future rather than the present.
That team didn’t need a rookie to lead them to the Super Bowl. They were on the doorstep as it was. They were one play away from going to the dance. The difference could have easily been a role player (rookie or veteran). It could have been a better 3rd receiver to move the chains a couple more times, depth in the secondary (Will Redmond dropped an easy interception just prior to the famous Kevin King screwup before the half), or depth on the Oline (they were bad that day), etc. We didn’t need some elite superstar to get us over the hump. We needed someone to make one more play. In hindsight bringing in a veteran or two and drafting Love appears it would have been the best approach.
I hate comparing current teams to the 2010 team but I don't always let that stop me.
Ted's 2008 and 2009 drafts really set up the 2010 and 2011 teams.
So look out in 2024 or 2025!
@13X posted:That team didn’t need a rookie to lead them to the Super Bowl. They were on the doorstep as it was. They were one play away from going to the dance. The difference could have easily been a role player (rookie or veteran). It could have been a better 3rd receiver to move the chains a couple more times, depth in the secondary (Will Redmond dropped an easy interception just prior to the famous Kevin King screwup before the half), or depth on the Oline (they were bad that day), etc. We didn’t need some elite superstar to get us over the hump. We needed someone to make one more play. In hindsight bringing in a veteran or two and drafting Love appears it would have been the best approach.
I didn't mind picking Love in 2020. Not only did they need to prepare for the future, but they needed a competent backup QB. Tim Boyle was not going to give you any chance to get by for 2-3 weeks if Rodgers got dinged up.
What I didn't like was using the next two picks for guys (Dillon and DeGuara) that weren't going to play that year and were drafted a few rounds too high. If you take Love, but then invest in someone in Rounds 2 or 3 that could have helped that year (and beyond) that would have been a nice way to split the difference.
Even with no contributions from the 2020 draft class in 2021-22, if David Bakhtiari doesn't blow out his knee in practice at the end of 2020, I would bet they've have made at least one more Super Bowl.
Gute clearly thought he was going to get more out of Deguara and Dillon or he wouldn't have taken them as high as he did when the consensus had both prospect rated lower to much lower.
I'm guessing he (and MLF) imagined a post-AR world where they would emphasize the run more, similar to SF. He may have thought Deguara would be his Jzyschk(sp!) and Dillon a bruiser RB.
There are a lot of people, and I am most certainly one, who owe Brian Gutekunst an apology.
— Mike Greenberg (@Espngreeny) January 15, 2024
This team didn’t rebuild after Aaron, it got better.
Immediately.
They are young, super talented, and the qb has star written all over him. The GM deserves to take a bow. #Packers
What a fantastic job Gute has done over the past few years. Fleecing the Jets for 12, hammering the past few drafts, having big time draft capital in 2024, etc. Gute has put this team in a position to compete for SBs for the next 10 years.
Nice work sir!
He’s absolutely nailed the last two drafts. If he can have a decent draft this year and we bring in the right DC, there is real potential for an epic run.
A new window has opened. Well done.
@Pakrz posted:What a fantastic job Gute has done over the past few years. Fleecing the Jets for 12, hammering the past few drafts, having big time draft capital in 2024, etc. Gute has put this team in a position to compete for SBs for the next 10 years.
Nice work sir!
FRONT OFFICE guy would probably disagree with you.
@SteveLuke posted:Just imagine what it might look like at Lambeau today if GB was not blessed with a top 5 GM.
Well, here's your chance Steve. Kick the guy when the team was struggling.
What do you do now when the team is rolling and just about every roster decision over the past two years has been a positive one. Now what?
An article.....14 months ago.....
Sometimes the best deals are the ones you never make.
I absolutely hated that 2020 draft. Even as recently as week 9 or so of this season I still hated it. These last 10 weeks have finally shown that it wasn’t a complete disaster.
Love has a chance to be one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the NFC for awhile it appears. And you can argue he could end up being the best QB in the NFC going forward if this 10 game stretch is no fluke.
I did have to laugh about Josiah DeGuara who truly was a bad pick. The only time I noticed him yesterday was when he pushed Micah Parsons right into Jordan Love on a pass play, LOL. For whatever reason, he just hasn’t looked good at all in the “Kyle Jusczyck” role he was expected to fill.
@Boris posted:An article.....14 months ago.....
Funny. The resigning of Rodgers was a mistake. Gute knew it. He partially made up for it by getting the Jets to take that problem off his hands. Since then, GB has gone back to its roots as a D&D team. It's pretty rare when an organization trades for one guy and that one move and one guy turn a season around.
@fightphoe93 posted:I absolutely hated that 2020 draft. Even as recently as week 9 or so of this season I still hated it. These last 10 weeks have finally shown that it wasn’t a complete disaster.
Love has a chance to be one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the NFC for awhile it appears. And you can argue he could end up being the best QB in the NFC going forward if this 10 game stretch is no fluke.
I did have to laugh about Josiah DeGuara who truly was a bad pick. The only time I noticed him yesterday was when he pushed Micah Parsons right into Jordan Love on a pass play, LOL. For whatever reason, he just hasn’t looked good at all in the “Kyle Jusczyck” role he was expected to fill.
Dequara actually had a couple really nice cut blocks to open up the back side for Jones. A couple of those big runs were due to him completely wiping out the backside defender.
I was so frustrated when they traded up to get Love and not impressed with any of the picks that year---Runyan has been criticized this year and they are obviously subbing Rhyan to take his place, but I think he has looked really good during this late season surge-
and the last two draft classes have been nails-replacing McCarthy with LaFleur, no matter what Rodger's impact was on the decision, was a great move
Gute has done a great job-I owe him a beer for the harsh words I had for the Love pick
I've heard at least two people now pumping up Adam Stenavich for a HC gig. I think that's a bit premature. But there are a lot of openings. Maybe he'll get some interviews.
@fightphoe93 posted:I absolutely hated that 2020 draft. Even as recently as week 9 or so of this season I still hated it. These last 10 weeks have finally shown that it wasn’t a complete disaster.
Love has a chance to be one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the NFC for awhile it appears. And you can argue he could end up being the best QB in the NFC going forward if this 10 game stretch is no fluke.
I did have to laugh about Josiah DeGuara who truly was a bad pick. The only time I noticed him yesterday was when he pushed Micah Parsons right into Jordan Love on a pass play, LOL. For whatever reason, he just hasn’t looked good at all in the “Kyle Jusczyck” role he was expected to fill.
I don't think Deguara was a good pick in that spot either, but I have to give him his due for a couple of nice backside blocks that opened lanes for AJ.
I don't hate any draft. I didn't have any input to it, I don't know how it fits into a larger team plan, and I didn't see any teams player analysis or projections. Not that I should, but why get all bent out of shape worrying about things you can't change?
However, when they took Jordan Love I said to my cousin, "now they have a backup". But also Rodgers wasn't getting any healthier either - so it made sense. So I thought it was a good thing. We also got AJ Dillon from that draft and thought that was a good thing because GB could not pick up a yard or two if you took the opposing defense off the field. Deguara I never heard of before the draft, and Runyan I thought had a chance. But I also thought that OL Stepaniak was a very good pick - before he decided to not play. And I thought that K. Martin could be an answer at ILB - but that did not happen either. But the Packers got 2 starters, 1 part time starter, and a blocker who they still have from that draft. That isn't to shabby.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:However, when they took Jordan Love I said to my cousin, "now they have a backup".
Bloody hell! What do you think the great Tim Boyle was doing at 1265?
@Goalline posted:Bloody hell! What do you think the great Tim Boyle was doing at 1265?
Holding a clip board. If they paid me the rookie minimum and promised I would never play, I would do that too. Never hurts to get paid.
Are assistant coaches eligible to be placed in the Packers Hall of Fame? If so, Tom Clements needs to be installed today. What he has done with AR and and JL is more than impressive. Someone deserves a lot of kudos and what he has done is worthy of that honor.
@Dr._Bob posted:For the D&D players out there, it's not intelligence he's lacking, it's wisdom.
There's a handbook for them:
Summary of Gute's roster reload:
5 genius Brian Gutekunst moves that have made Packers contenders with Jordan Love
I challenge ANY GM to even come close to that. Look at the other 31 teams!
Now.....those draft classes still have some time to develop for the other 31 teams....so they got that going for them.....which is nice.
What an unbelievable job by Gutey & the scouts. Outstanding work boys!
@Fandame posted:It's pretty rare when an organization trades for one guy and that one move and one guy turn a season around.
It's actually odd to watch a game from last year because we moved on from so many old vets in one go. Rodgers, Amos, Cobb, Lazard, Crosby, Tonyan, Lowry, Jarran Reed, Big Dog.
And replaced them with all these young dudes in Reed, Wicks, Musgrave, Kraft, Carlson, Vallentine, Melton, Brooks, Van Ness.
I get lots of teams rotate out players every year but seriously go watch a game from last year and it looks like you're watching a game from 2017. It just seems old.
We’ve gone from an offense run by an old guy hell bent on running a static West Coast offense, where he gets the ball out of his hands to his favorite receivers and would periodically roll out of the pocket for a big downfield shot, with a running attack that was an afterthought; to a modern offense run by a young athletic guy with lots of motion, a varied run attack and a QB who favors the open guy. The Niners have another thing coming their way.
