I prefer to think of him as a John Creasy...
from The Athletic on building a WR room from former GM Randy Mueller
I think somebody else might have posted a snippet from this one ?
"The Packers and Chiefs traded Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill before the 2022 season instead of paying them. Adams got $28 million from the Las Vegas Raiders, and Hill got $30 million annually from the Miami Dolphins. The Bills traded Stefon Diggs to the Houston Texans this offseason, two years after signing him to an extension worth $24 million annually.
Though the Adams trade has not exactly worked out for the Raiders, Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has reworked Green Bay’s receivers via the developmental route.
Christian Watson, drafted in the second round in 2022, is a straight-line-fast long-strider who can eat up a cushion, take the top off defenses and catch when he’s covered. His game is similar to that of Jameson Williams, whom the Detroit Lions drafted 22 picks earlier. In Round 4 that year, the Packers took Romeo Doubs, who will make $1.1 million this year after catching 59 passes in 2023. Doubs’ ability to find soft spots and distinguish coverages resembles that of the Lions’ Amon-Ra St. Brown, at least stylistically.
Last year, the Packers took Jayden Reed (64 catches as a rookie) in Round 2 and Dontayvion Wicks (39 catches, 14.9 yards per catch) in Round 5. Given his acceleration off the ball and out of breaks, Wicks might have more upside than any of the above.
Sure, it requires conviction in your evaluations, but Green Bay should be lauded for overhauling this group almost entirely with draft picks (none in Round 1), as those four receivers will cost a total of $6.3 million against the cap in 2024.
Other teams should try to copy this economic model."
Here is something to consider: Teams will always have to pay great money for good players at positions where there is true scarcity, like quarterback.
But I don’t see wide receiver, especially in the modern NFL, as a position of true scarcity. As a result, the sticker shock of recent contracts has given me pause.
I’m still not for letting any good player walk, but with each market-setting deal, the costs are getting harder to justify."
@Satori posted:from The Athletic on building a WR room from former GM Randy Mueller
I think somebody else might have posted a snippet from this one ?I’m still not for letting any good player walk, but with each market-setting deal, the costs are getting harder to justify."
Hmm 🤔 Now I wonder why the Niners are trying off both Deebo & Aiyuk?
Bleacher Report:
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) June 6, 2024
The #Packers should trade Christian Watson, Jayden Reed and a 2nd for CeeDee Lamb.
The Packers:
pic.twitter.com/uRtRfZjOMy
Why trade 2 for 1 when the 2 may be better than the 1?
I wouldn't trade Watson straight up for CeeDee.
There are other factors at play here, including Salary Cap.
- Why are the Niners trying to offload their high priced WR's?
- Why did the Bills offload their high priced WR?
Read the tea leaves folks 
Why did the Vikings just create the highest paid WR?
@Chongo posted:I prefer to think of him as a John Creasy...
great line from that movie when Creasy was about to send a missle into some gangsters car. Old couple tell Creasy, "God says it is good to forgive." Creasy responds, 'Forgiveness is between him and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting.:
From the 33rd Team:
Top 10 rosters heading into 2024
https://www.the33rdteam.com/ra...ntering-2024-season/
Green Bay Packers 
"The Green Bay Packers' hot streak during the season's final eight weeks parlayed into an impressive set of playoff performances. Few would've expected the Packers to hit a rapid developmental burst in the middle of the season, but Jordan Love clearly ascended into a very good player.
The Packers' defense played enough quality games to support the belief that they'll take the next step under new defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley.
Despite finishing 12th in offensive scoring and 10th in defensive scoring, there's still a lot of meat on the bone for the Packers to improve. Their defensive DVOA was only 27th, so the opportunity to become a truly top-tier team is huge. Adding star safety Xavier McKinney, LB Edgerrin Cooper, versatile DB Javon Bullard, and getting a healthy season from Eric Stokes totally changes how the secondary will play.
The offense doesn't have quite as much projection. There might not be a team with a deeper core of young receivers, and the additions of Josh Jacobs and MarShawn Lloyd will supercharge the running game.
Youth doesn't always develop in a linear fashion, but the Packers have the trajectory of a scary opponent with tremendous upside."
Go Packers
I for one am sick of our WRs and TEs not getting respect. I wouldn’t trade them for any other team’s group.
No reason to get upset....respect is earned.
Flying under the radar is the best
But if you fly too far under the radar you are just boring.
@YATittle posted:I for one am sick of our WRs and TEs not getting respect. I wouldn’t trade them for any other team’s group.
Who's not giving them respect? Some internet lists. And they are a bunch of first and second year players who all flashed at times but still have a lot of growing to do.
Watson hasn't proven he can stay on the field. Doubs has had two nice seasons but not spectacular or dominating. Reed looks like he's got a tremendous amount of potential after a fine rookie season. Wicks, Heath, Melton - nice players that have a lot to show on the field over the course of a full season before we crown them as future stars.
I love the WR group and think they have a ton of potential given the opportunity. But let's tap the brakes a bit on their "current" greatness.
You do realize who made the comment right?
Bill Huber at SI with an article on the amazing transformation of the Packers roster under Gutekunst. A masterful rebuild
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...s-again-01j1k82gg0ve
"During a 13-year run as Green Bay Packers general manager, Ted Thompson won two NFL Executive of the Year awards.
If the Packers cement their status as long-term Super Bowl contenders this season, current Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst would be worthy of winning his first.
In 2022, when Aaron Rodgers trudged off Lambeau Field a loser in the finale against the up-and-coming Detroit Lions, the Packers seemed years removed from being taken seriously.
Instead, in Year 1 of what appeared to be a challenging rebuild, they finished mere minutes from reaching the NFC Championship Game.
How? Because Gutekunst aced just about every pivotal move."
Go Packers
2023 draft:
Gutekunst and team demanded 13 for 15 from the Jets as part of the Rodgers package.
Then traded 45 to the Lions for 48 and 159
Ended up snatching Van Ness, Jayden Reed and the bonus pick # 159
...was used to select Dontayvion Wicks.
Go Packers
@Satori posted:2023 draft:
Gutekunst and team demanded 13 for 15 from the Jets as part of the Rodgers package.
Then traded 45 to the Lions for 48 and 159
Ended up snatching Van Ness, Jayden Reed and the bonus pick # 159...was used to select Dontayvion Wicks.
Go Packers
You forgot a trade. He traded 45 to the Lions for 48 and 159, then traded that 48 to Tampa for 50 and 179.
So Gute moved down 5 spots to get 2 extra picks and got:
Pick 50: Reed
Pick 159: Wicks
Pick 170: Karl Brooks
Oh and the Rodgers trade that draft not only netted us Van Ness but also Musgrave in the 2nd.
So... if TTT was a steely-eyed assassin, what is Gute? 
The Gutinater. Really works with the Ahnold accent.
Guten8er + Ball have done a remarkable job managing all the dead cap from player no longer on the team. Still a lot on the books, but GB will be out from under that yoke in 2025
Well-done piece from CheeseheadTV on the topic
It's really the dead zone when we're all praising Gutey's picks for multiple posts!!!
He has been on a roll for the past couple of years so we should enjoy it. 
@Fandame posted:we're all praising Gutey's picks
I posted this article earlier, but its worth re-visiting.
It talks about the strategy of why Gute & Co wanted so many picks
The intersection of the pandemic and NIL meant their was a glut of uber-experienced college players coming out between 2022 - 2024 and GB wisely took advantage. Packers snatched 35 players (!) while Miami only managed 15.
The top picks for Adams and Rodgers really helped Gute completely rebuild this team so quickly.
https://www.acmepackingcompany...4-covid-nil-most-nfl
Here's another great article about the Packers front office over the years, including Gute. Its a good summer read from Cliff Christl, Packer historian- with a ton of quotes from former GMs
https://www.packers.com/news/2...o-axioms-and-history
Exhibit A
"The worst time to look for a quarterback is when you need one. If you ever get to the point where you need something, you'll never get it."
"John Madden, who won a Super Bowl as coach of the Oakland Raiders and finished his career with the best regular-season winning percentage of any NFL coach in history with at least 100 wins, shared that adage with me more than 35 years ago. At the time I was working on a story about how the then down-and-out Packers were still in the market for a quarterback capable of winning a Super Bowl after more than 20 years into their search for the next Bart Starr.
Madden's wisdom is also why general manager Brian Gutekunst's much-criticized decision to grab Jordan Love with the 26th selection in the 2020 draft was ingenious. "
Go Packers
Gutekunst and Ball have done a great job. So have the Scouts, who find the players, that turn into gems, for us. Finding players who can step onto the field, on Day One, especially players from the later rounds, cannot be overlooked. We have to be proud of the entire GB Packer's organization. Murphy should take a bow, as well. Now, it's Policy's turn to keep the ball rolling. Let's work some more magic in the next draft, when the NFL comes to GB! GO PACK, GO!!!