Watching Blaine Gabbert get nothing done last night really pissed me off while watching Hundley. You can either play QB in the NFL or you can’t. Period. Time has never solved the inability to being able to get things done at QB for QBs that have taken meaningful snaps in real games.
Anyone can throw three step drop outs. But sooner or later you have to make tough plays in tough spots to win games.
Hundley is Gabbert. Gabbert is Hundley. It’s all just a bull**** waste of everyone’s time.
There is a really weird dynamic shaping up for this season.
You have Mike saying Pettine is most comfortable coaching from the booth even though he’s a field guy. Mike commented that the run defense was behind the pass defense.
You have Rodgers calling out the young WRs and they respond but Mike thinks Rodgers needs to temper his emotions because I think he feels Rodgers was calling out his coaching staff.
Rodgers will get a series or two next week and then it will get interesting what happens after that. QB room being fine and all after Gute brought in Boyle.
This team is going to be almost unbeatable because everyone wants to prove a point or this team is going to completely ****ing implode. There is no 8-8 at play here.
I don’t think Gute is that great of a chess master. But we will see.....
I think you're right....I don't see 7-9 through 9-7.
We either draft top 5-10 or bottom 4 in 2019. (with our own 1st round pick).
I wish MM would stay the F**K out of the defenses (Pettine's) way. Just let him coach.
I remember watching GB West's Jerry Tagge duel with Sheboygan North's Mike Krueger back in the old Fox River Valley conference.
This week In 1994 Green Bay played their 1st PS game and Brett Favre, Mark Brunelle and Ty Detmer took snaps trying to set the QB roster while a guy sitting 4th on the depth chart waited to get cut. He did get cut because the QB room was fine. He went on to bag groceries.
His name was Kurt Warner.
Brainwashed Boris posted:They should do Hundlet a favor & jettison him now.
I would give Hundley as many reps as possible in the preseason assuming he is effective. While it's unlikely, there's always the possibility the Packers could then get something for him. I mean, let's face it - there are some dumb GMs out there. If there's no takers, release him.
The Packers owe him nothing other than the checks he's cashed the past few years.
Except there's all that tape from last year.
Hungry5 posted:I remember watching GB West's Jerry Tagge duel with Sheboygan North's Mike Krueger back in the old Fox River Valley conference.
Was that when you took a break from searching for Amelia Earhart?
Henry posted:Except there's all that tape from last year.
That's where the "there are some dumb GMs out there" comment comes in. GMs get desperate sometimes and some coaches think so highly of themselves, they think they can fix anything. As Chili mentioned, Blaine Gabbert is still slinging the ol' pigskin for someone. And look at some of the other stiff just in recent memory that have gotten significant NFL action (like Hundley).
I’d like to believe Brett Hundley has zero trade value but Blaine Gabbert took meaningful snaps last night as a backup and did nothing. So whatever.
If the hope is that your backup QB might land you a late draft trade pick because GMs get stupid then your backup QB probably needs to go away.
Backup QB needs to win games if needed. Not garner draft picks from dumb GMs.
Except Hundley is no longer the backup QB. And I don't see any reason to cut him right now if he's playing well in TC. AR needs minimal reps. Kizer will get his reps, plus all through the season during practice. And really, what would be the point of giving Boyle meaningful reps. He's not making the 53, and by showcasing any talent he might have just opens him up to being claimed by another team like the Saints did with Hill.
I 'd hate to see Boyle get sent to the PS to only get taken by some other team, ala Taysom Hill. IMO, Boyle is better in the pocket than both Hundley and Kizer, right now. We know what Hundley can do and what he has done. Kizer is the second coming according to MM. Boyle needs some serious reps with the A-Squad to see if he is a for real talent. How about letting him start in this week's game?
The Packers are going to **** this up. Watch and see.
Henry posted:Except there's all that tape from last year.
Did Kizer’s get lost in translation?
mrtundra posted:I 'd hate to see Boyle get sent to the PS to only get taken by some other team,
I get where this is coming from, but right now half the fan bases in the NFL fell in love with a back up QB
PackLandVA posted:Henry posted:Except there's all that tape from last year.
That's where the "there are some dumb GMs out there" comment comes in. GMs get desperate sometimes and some coaches think so highly of themselves, they think they can fix anything. As Chili mentioned, Blaine Gabbert is still slinging the ol' pigskin for someone. And look at some of the other stiff just in recent memory that have gotten significant NFL action (like Hundley).
The reason why Gabbert keeps getting looks is because of being drafted so high. Stupid? Absolutely. Hundley is a 5th rounder with plenty of tape showing he stinks. Would someone give up a pick for him if they know he's going to be cut? There just isn't remotely enough incentive to burn a pick on this guy. And this whole thing of not giving other guys reps totally defeats the purpose of actually developing guys who are worth two ****s. If they actually have to come in a play, I'd like them not to look like Hundley.
El-Ka-Bong posted:mrtundra posted:I 'd hate to see Boyle get sent to the PS to only get taken by some other team,
I get where this is coming from, but right now half the fan bases in the NFL fell in love with a back up QB
Yeah, but their back up sucks. Ours is the best.
Tavis Smiley posted:Henry posted:Except there's all that tape from last year.
Did Kizer’s get lost in translation?
He's a one year ding dong coming from Cleveland coupled with the Packers trying to scrap something from a failed 1st round pick. It's ****, but one year with Cleveland vs. 3 years in the Packers system. What's the collective fail quotient here?
I need to keep this handy.
Hundley keeping a roster spot.
I think both of their regular season tape sucks, regardless of the situation! Both have a lot to prove, but just to keep perspective, it’s backup QB...unless you have an elite defense (which we don’t) and a strong running game to lean on (which we don’t) then you’re fukked whichever QB you choose. MIN was smart to get Trent Dilfer 2.0 as their backup and Philly isn’t paying a franchise QB so they could afford to keep a very good backup. Neither option was available to GB this year, so really the best option is whichever backup can salvage 1 game if Rodgers goes down. Gute isn’t going to make TT’s mistake, he WILL sign a veteran to start if Rodgers goes down.
ChilliJon posted:
Hundley keeping a roster spot.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
El-Ka-Bong posted:mrtundra posted:I 'd hate to see Boyle get sent to the PS to only get taken by some other team,
I get where this is coming from, but right now half the fan bases in the NFL fell in love with a back up QB
Jim Del Gazio Syndrome.
Grave Digger posted:I think both of their regular season tape sucks, regardless of the situation! Both have a lot to prove, but just to keep perspective, it’s backup QB...unless you have an elite defense (which we don’t) and a strong running game to lean on (which we don’t) then you’re fukked whichever QB you choose. MIN was smart to get Trent Dilfer 2.0 as their backup and Philly isn’t paying a franchise QB so they could afford to keep a very good backup. Neither option was available to GB this year, so really the best option is whichever backup can salvage 1 game if Rodgers goes down. Gute isn’t going to make TT’s mistake, he WILL sign a veteran to start if Rodgers goes down.
They do. They both suck.
1) Hundley is full of suck and will not unsuck. So why is he sucking up a roster spot with his suck?
2) Kizer is going to get the high round draft pick pass. Yet, 1 year vs. 3 years. One looks like he could possibly, maybe be a journeyman NFL QB, the other sucks.
3) Knowing the suck quotient, wouldn't it makes sense to workout another prospect to see if there may be potentially less suck than Kizer and Suck McSuckSuck?
4) Being the Packers don't have a world beater defense or an unassailable run game wouldn't it be better to use that roster spot on the run game or defense? Wouldn't you rather see Brooks or the like re-signed? That seems to be of much greater importance than Attack of the Suck.
5) If they all suck, go with one who sucks a little less than the rest of the sucks. Two roster spots. If The World According to Garf decides to get a journeyman QB, then jettison the final suck of the suckuverse.
I'm more put out they are wasting a roster spot and solid reps for another player.
Henry, tell us how you really feel about Hundley.
Got to have a great OL. Got to have a great DL. If GB had a great OL with depth I don’t care about backup QB.
Cole Madison pick hurts. I hope the best for the kid. But he seriously screwed GB by not being transparent.
Maybe I missed it but is there any info about Cole Madison?
Nothing. At all. He’s just kind of....gone.
Countdown to Brian Garfunkel.
I can no longer sit this out. I've tried really hard since "Guntechrist" to resist but I'll cannonballing this fracas in short time.
ChilliJon posted:Cole Madison pick hurts. I hope the best for the kid. But he seriously screwed GB by not being transparent.
My guess is it's a mental health issue, but who knows.
DH13 posted:Countdown to Brian Garfunkel.
I can no longer sit this out. I've tried really hard since "Guntechrist" to resist but I'll cannonballing this fracas in short time.
Oooo, you just gave me inspiration for a good one. Keeping that in the chamber.
Dr._Bob posted:ChilliJon posted:Cole Madison pick hurts. I hope the best for the kid. But he seriously screwed GB by not being transparent.
My guess is it's a mental health issue, but who knows.
Rub some dirt on it.
Problem solved.
El-Ka-Bong posted:mrtundra posted:I 'd hate to see Boyle get sent to the PS to only get taken by some other team,
I get where this is coming from, but right now half the fan bases in the NFL fell in love with a back up QB
Aaron Rodgers was a back up QB, once. I'm hoping Boyle gets a fair shot to prove his worth over the next few weeks. So far, I really like what I've seen.
In the 1st preseason game Hundley looked better than Kizer.
Boyle looks like he belongs and deserves an opportunity to win the back up spot.
The last QB GB brought in with a strong arm and more ints than TDs was BJ Colman. That is Boyle as well. And we all know how well Colman worked out. Maybe that is where the similarities end - maybe not. We will see .........
The QB that comes in and lights it up is very rare. Bart Starr and his 4 year development program might not have made it in today's NFL. GMs and coaches might not be willing to give him that much time. Surely if Johnny Unitas were all that great with the Steelers they would not have cut him and the history of the colts is altered for the worse. Someone in Pittsburgh did not see much in him. Even our own Brett Favre was traded from Atlanta because Jerry Glanville did not see anything in him. And yet all three are in the NFL HOF. The past doesn't necessarily predict the future.
Last year Foles and Keenum were all the rage and met in the NFCCG. But both had experience elsewhere - without which they may have not made the impact last year they did. Also last year Hundley and Kizer both got some needed on the field experience. Hopefully they both learned from it. We will see where it takes them. But getting regular season experience is initially difficult, but also necessary for development.
As for Boyles, in my view of the world, by virtue of his performance last Thursday, he just got a chance to be the second QB off the bench instead of the third. We will see where he goes with that - assuming it happens. But nothing in the preseason prepares a player for being game planned against while playing against the best players an opponent can bring to the table. It is a whole new level. However, if they can't play well when given a chance in the preseason - the chances are high they may not do well in the regular season either.
Others have said it well. All three backups are just that, backups. “Hesitation” Hundley may have improved, but is on a short leash. Kizer has potential if he gets his fundamentals down. Boyle has a good arm but little experience. My guess is that Hundley continues as Mr. August. But is not kept. Kizer is kept based on potential and draft status. Boyle is let go and signs on the PS. If other teams want any of these three, then let them have them.
Hundley seems like the kind of guy that will get swapped for someone else's guy that they hate to cut but can't keep (kind of like Kizer). Kizer is likely the one they want to develop, Boyle will get sent to the PS and we will probably get another Boyle or Taysom Hill next year to drool over.
