Saints have signed Don Barclay.
Interesting question. Based on his draft slot and his performance thus far, can't imagine Oakland would take less than 2 1st rounders for Mack. If the Saints do well and GB does well, say GB's picks were 27 and 32, that's not that bad of a trade. If the Saints suck and one of those picks his high, then we start to lose on that value.
Excellent question for @WildeAndTausch from my buddy @JoshGolberg: If #Raiders LB Khalil Mack is TRULY on the trading block as being reported, and with the #Packers having TWO 2019 first-round picks next year, would you be OK trading one or both of those to Oakland for Mack? pic.twitter.com/mty71unG8I
â Jason Wilde (@jasonjwilde) August 7, 2018
Very interesting proposition.
You guys. You know it's going to be the Vikings.
Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
The draft picks arenât the problem. Mack is looking for $23 million / season and something in the ballpark of $80 million guaranteed. So is Aaron Donald. One of them will set the market for the other.
Mack is a great player. Heâs probably going to get something close to $23 million per from someone. Probably Oakland.
If itâs just draft picks you make the deal immediately. One (or both) 2019 1st round picks is likely an edge rusher. Edge will be the biggest need in the draft by far next to OL. Why not use both for Mack? Clay is likely gone in 2019 as well.
The money is why itâs not likely to happen though.
ChilliJon posted:.The money is why itâs not likely to happen though.
Apparently, the Packers are looking at clearing a ton of cap space in 2019.
CMIII, Randall Cobb, Nick Perry (if he does not return to 2016 form, the Packers can clear his salary with a minimal cap hit), Bryan Bulaga, and HHCD.
Granted, yes, any of the above GB could retain or re-sign but the estimates are that the Packers could be looking at clearing some 60 million in space if they choose to move on from those players.
Mack is a terrific player and a franchise guy not unlike a young CMII was or a Von Miller or JJ Watt. I'd have no issues giving up what would likely be 2 late firsts in 2019.
IF, and it's an IF, they would move on from CMIII and say Cobb, you'd be looking at a 23 million dollar combined cap number in 2019 no longer on the books. If they say traded Nick Perry along with a 2019 1st round pick, that would be 10.750 mil off their cap just from him alone.
The new Fackrell and Mack would be a lethal combination.
I'm guessing even Fackrell can get 2 sacks next year if teams choose not to block him, because Mack is raising havoc on the other side. Maybe even 3.
That's the old Fackrell you ignorant slut. The Pettine effect has Fackrell slated for at least 10 sacks.
Henry posted:Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
Too bad the Packers no longer have Jeff Janis! to trade.
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We need an emoji of a little white dude running really really fast. Sorry, maybe a couple years too late.
Grave Digger posted:That's the old Fackrell you ignorant slut. The Pettine effect has Fackrell slated for at least 10 sacks.
Over how many years?
DH13 posted:Very interesting proposition.
Would you trade one of the first round picks and CMIII for Mack? I would.
I canât imagine Gute even proposing that trade to his good friend Reggie.
Goalline posted:Grave Digger posted:That's the old Fackrell you ignorant slut. The Pettine effect has Fackrell slated for at least 10 sacks.
Over how many years?
Fackrell signed up for the installment plan.
That ****âs on layaway with an option to buy.
Can we choose not to buy?
This guy is going to fack sh*t up this year!
Some Olineman may take him home as a pet muppet for his kids. He's adorable.
"Hey honey, I found this stuck in my shoe".
Andrew Luck beard will make all the difference.
He is adorable.
Adams, a forgotten 3rd round draft choice from last season, is having a pretty good camp.
Pettine says Montravius Adams reminds him of a young Muhammad Wilkerson, who he said had âspecial traitsâ in size and speed but needed more consistency. Adamsâ high ceiling is clear; just needs to reach his potential.
â Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 7, 2018
Fedya posted:Henry posted:Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
Too bad the Packers no longer have Jeff Janis! to trade.
Kumerow must have some value. He's clearly Janis with better hair.
Fedya posted:Henry posted:Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
Too bad the Packers no longer have Jeff Janis! to trade.
That's no big deal. The Browns don't have Joe Thomas either. Seems like a fair trade.
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MichiganPacker posted:Fedya posted:Henry posted:Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
Too bad the Packers no longer have Jeff Janis! to trade.
Kumerow must have some value. He's clearly Janis with better hair.
And a winning smile.
I think Kumerow sounds like the anti-Janis.
packerboi posted:Adams, a forgotten 3rd round draft choice from last season, is having a pretty good camp.
Pettine says Montravius Adams reminds him of a young Muhammad Wilkerson, who he said had âspecial traitsâ in size and speed but needed more consistency. Adamsâ high ceiling is clear; just needs to reach his potential.
â Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 7, 2018
Just compelled to point out that reaching your potential is, thankfully, much better than reaching for your special purpose.
Henry posted:MichiganPacker posted:Fedya posted:Henry posted:Brett Hundley has trade value. Package him up with Marvin Martini, trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas and Khalil Mack straight up.
Too bad the Packers no longer have Jeff Janis! to trade.
Kumerow must have some value. He's clearly Janis with better hair.
And a winning smile.
First teamer on the All-Tom Crabtree team! 
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Barking Pumpkin posted:packerboi posted:Adams, a forgotten 3rd round draft choice from last season, is having a pretty good camp.
Pettine says Montravius Adams reminds him of a young Muhammad Wilkerson, who he said had âspecial traitsâ in size and speed but needed more consistency. Adamsâ high ceiling is clear; just needs to reach his potential.
â Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 7, 2018Just compelled to point out that reaching your potential is, thankfully, much better than reaching for your special purpose.
Maybe you're doing it wrong?
RochNyFan posted:DH13 posted:Very interesting proposition.
Would you trade one of the first round picks and CMIII for Mack? I would.
No effing way.
I would trade one of the first rounders ONLY & contingent on which-ever pick is the LOWER pick of the 2.
I saw the article with 3 options to trade for Mack. Completely disagreed with all of it.
Mack is worth a low first round pick - but that's it
I wonder what AR thinks Mack is worth?
Players usually think other players are worth 75 trillion draft picks.
Those 2 - first rounders next year have the potential to be HOF players - Every GM in the league knows what future first round picks are worth. They're the lifeblood of any organization, **** up on enough first round selections & you're the Cleveland Browns.
There are only 2 positions on the field I'd trade 1st round picks & 1st round players/talent for.
QB & LT
That's it...that's the list
Brainwashed Boris posted:Players usually think other players are worth 75 trillion draft picks.
Those 2 - first rounders next year have the potential to be HOF players - Every GM in the league knows what future first round picks are worth. They're the lifeblood of any organization, **** up on enough first round selections & you're the Cleveland Browns.
There are only 2 positions on the field I'd trade 1st round picks & 1st round players/talent for.
QB & LT
That's it...that's the list
I'd consider a superstar DL/edge rusher (JJ Watt) or a shut down #1 corner as well.
I get all of the above. The one thing I never understood is why you wouldnât trade a high draft pick for a player who has proved they can already perform at an elite level in NFL? In my âwho really gives a ****â opinion, it would seem the better odds to trade even a high #1 for Mack if you were convinced you could sign him long term and were convinced he was on-board from a motivational perspective. I know finances obviously come into play, but Iâm talking about from a talent perspective. Iâd be more apt to want the âknownâ vs the âunknownâ. To think you can get a player of Mackâs ability in the draft late 1st round is sure a possibility, but Iâd say chances arenât great.
Then again, GB probabaly already has decided to package one their 1st rounders with another draft pick and a player to move into the Top 5 in next yearâs draft so what the **** do I know?
Tavis Smiley posted:I get all of the above. The one thing I never understood is why you wouldnât trade a high draft pick for a player who has proved they can already perform at an elite level in NFL? In my âwho really gives a ****â opinion, it would seem the better odds to trade even a high #1 for Mack if you were convinced you could sign him long term and were convinced he was on-board from a motivational perspective. I know finances obviously come into play, but Iâm talking about from a talent perspective. Iâd be more apt to want the âknownâ vs the âunknownâ. To think you can get a player of Mackâs ability in the draft late 1st round is sure a possibility, but Iâd say chances arenât great.
Then again, GB probabaly already has decided to package one their 1st rounders with another draft pick and a player to move into the Top 5 in next yearâs draft so what the **** do I know?
The "if you were convinced you could sign him" remark I think is the key. I would not give the farm if he were a one year rental. But otherwise, yeah, we don't know what exactly they are thinking. It is clear though that Gute is willing to get a free agent under the right circumstances. If Mack wants 28 mill/year, and AR wants 31 mill/year, that is a lot to cram under the cap.
Truth. I realize there are a ton of other factors. Situation would have to be ideal which is why it doesnât happen.
Barking Pumpkin posted:packerboi posted:Adams, a forgotten 3rd round draft choice from last season, is having a pretty good camp.
Pettine says Montravius Adams reminds him of a young Muhammad Wilkerson, who he said had âspecial traitsâ in size and speed but needed more consistency. Adamsâ high ceiling is clear; just needs to reach his potential.
â Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 7, 2018Just compelled to point out that reaching your potential is, thankfully, much better than reaching for your special purpose.
As long as Adams is putting the QB on the ground on a regular basis, I don't really care about "special purpose" or "potential". He would then have the "it" factor going for him.