His upside is better sure. Teddy has more TD throws in Lambeau than Brett Hundley! 
Tim Masthay has more TD throws in Lambeau than Brett Hundley. And unlike Hundley, he could just mail it in and punt on 3rd and 18 instead of running backwards for another sack.
I'd rather have Tim Masthay than Brett Hundley...
I’d rather have a competent backup. Other than that you got my point.
Grave Digger posted:Teddy Check Down isn't a starting QB in this league, but he's a better, more decisive QB that any of the 3 we currently have. All I'm saying is if they threw a 7th rounder at the Jets for Teddy to be our #2 I wouldn't be upset. I'd rather roll the dice with him than with the INT machines we have...2 wins, 34 INTs in 26 games between the 2 of them. Aaron Rodgers has averaged .5 INT per game over 13 years, these bums average an INT ever 23 passes.
Fair enough. I'll give you he's better than Hundley or Kizer...
Still, without Rodgers the Packers aren't going far.
Pakrz posted:Grave Digger posted:Teddy Check Down isn't a starting QB in this league, but he's a better, more decisive QB that any of the 3 we currently have. All I'm saying is if they threw a 7th rounder at the Jets for Teddy to be our #2 I wouldn't be upset. I'd rather roll the dice with him than with the INT machines we have...2 wins, 34 INTs in 26 games between the 2 of them. Aaron Rodgers has averaged .5 INT per game over 13 years, these bums average an INT ever 23 passes.
Fair enough. I'll give you he's better than Hundley or Kizer...
I would say the book is not writtenon Kizer, yet.
don't be, you can't do anything about your gramma's behavior
I like the idea but who would take on 9.5 million?
Randall is more then likely gone in 2019 but this makes sense in 2018:
Although Cobb is due around $9.5 million this season and continues to recover from offseason ankle surgery, the Packers are lacking in experience at receiver, and the 28-year-old former second-round pick is currently the team’s oldest and most experienced player at the position.
Next oldest receiver behind Cobb: Jake Kumerow. My guess is next season St. Brown is working out of the slot.
michiganjoe posted:Next oldest receiver behind Cobb: Jake Kumerow. My guess is next season St. Brown is working out of the slot.
I'm thinking he'll get plenty of opportunities this year. At least I hope he does.
GrainBelt66 posted:Pakrz posted:Grave Digger posted:Teddy Check Down isn't a starting QB in this league, but he's a better, more decisive QB that any of the 3 we currently have. All I'm saying is if they threw a 7th rounder at the Jets for Teddy to be our #2 I wouldn't be upset. I'd rather roll the dice with him than with the INT machines we have...2 wins, 34 INTs in 26 games between the 2 of them. Aaron Rodgers has averaged .5 INT per game over 13 years, these bums average an INT ever 23 passes.
Fair enough. I'll give you he's better than Hundley or Kizer...
I would say the book is not writtenon Kizer, yet.
I concur. At this point in time, Bridgewater might be more polished, but with proper development, I think Kizer's ceiling is much higher given his physical tools. He made a mistake leaving ND a year early, then was put in a terrible position last year with Cleveland.
RochNyFan posted:GrainBelt66 posted:Pakrz posted:Grave Digger posted:Teddy Check Down isn't a starting QB in this league, but he's a better, more decisive QB that any of the 3 we currently have. All I'm saying is if they threw a 7th rounder at the Jets for Teddy to be our #2 I wouldn't be upset. I'd rather roll the dice with him than with the INT machines we have...2 wins, 34 INTs in 26 games between the 2 of them. Aaron Rodgers has averaged .5 INT per game over 13 years, these bums average an INT ever 23 passes.
Fair enough. I'll give you he's better than Hundley or Kizer...
I would say the book is not writtenon Kizer, yet.
I concur. At this point in time, Bridgewater might be more polished, but with proper development, I think Kizer's ceiling is much higher given his physical tools. He made a mistake leaving ND a year early, then was put in a terrible position last year with Cleveland.
I concur with this. Cleveland has been a hellhole for QBs for a long time.
Henry posted:I'm thinking he'll get plenty of opportunities this year. At least I hope he does.
A bit risky and the QB wouldn't be happy, but if a team was willing to overpay for Cobb I'd roll the dice this year.
I don’t think Aaron would be too happy if we let Cobb go.
I don’t think AR would care about losing Cobb the way he cared about losing Jordy. AR is looking at Adams and Graham first.
Always been a Cobb fan and I wouldn’t do it this year. Kids need more time. But if a GM throws a Godfather offer at Gute it’s not something the offense couldn’t overcome.
It's not Cobb's age that makes him valuable, it's his experience in the system. Kumerow is 26 but has zero game experience with AR. Cobb is now AR's security blanket when it comes to having that sixth sense like AR/JN.
Just look at his TD against the Bears. He thinks like a QB, saw the safety squatting at the marker and took off with his hand above his head....
DH13 posted:Kumerow is 26 but has zero game experience with AR.
He's got zero game experience period. Puzzling that some fans are in favor of keeping him and cutting Allison.
YATittle posted:Just look at his TD against the Bears. He thinks like a QB, saw the safety squatting at the marker and took off with his hand above his head....
I could watch that replay a million times and never get bored.
michiganjoe posted:DH13 posted:Kumerow is 26 but has zero game experience with AR.
He's got zero game experience period. Puzzling that some fans are in favor of keeping him and cutting Allison.
Disagree on this. He's shown enough in preseason games to convince me he'd be productive. No Davante Adams, but see what he does when the fifth best CB on a D is covering him.
michiganjoe posted:DH13 posted:Kumerow is 26 but has zero game experience with AR.
He's got zero game experience period. Puzzling that some fans are in favor of keeping him and cutting Allison.
I see him as better v version of Allison, a little bigger, a little faster and with the same intangibles.
RochNyFan posted:YATittle posted:Just look at his TD against the Bears. He thinks like a QB, saw the safety squatting at the marker and took off with his hand above his head....
I could watch that replay a million times and never get bored.
Play never happens if Chris Conte isn’t Chris Conte. I miss Chris Conte.
YATittle posted:michiganjoe posted:DH13 posted:Kumerow is 26 but has zero game experience with AR.
He's got zero game experience period. Puzzling that some fans are in favor of keeping him and cutting Allison.
Disagree on this. He's shown enough in preseason games to convince me he'd be productive. No Davante Adams, but see what he does when the fifth best CB on a D is covering him.
Shown enough in preseason should never be justification really for anything concerning the regular season. With Cobb gone, it could be the 4th or 3rd CB covering him which he probably didn't even see this preseason. I like the guy and think there is a place for him at #4 or #5 but that is with Cobb in the game.
If Cobb stays healthy along with Adams/Graham, Cobb should get plenty of favorable match ups. Adams should consistently draw the #1. Graham will get the 2.
That means Cobb and/or Allison will get their 3rd/4th best CB OR get a safety or a LB at times. No reason Cobb shouldn't be able to take advantage of that. He's not where he was in 2013. But he should be able to beat out a 4th CB.
I agree with the security blanket angle. If the Packers had a shiny new #1 or #2 pick doing well in camp, okay. But the reality is all of those guys were drafted mid to low rounds, if drafted at all, for a reason. If all of them are overwhelmed what do you have left in the chamber? Adams, Graham and Lewis can't do everything.
Think we’re selling Marcedes Lewis short in all these matchups.
Cobbs value to Rodgers is when the pocket breaks down. Cobb is a wizard and running to the open spot in the direction Rodgers is running. He thinks like a QB when his QB is running for his life looking for a lifeline. How many times has Cobb been on the end of a Red Zone TD while Rodgers is improvising? The majority of those catches he’s actually running towards AR when he catches it.
EQ or Kumerow can be that guy. Maybe a better version. Do they love football like Cobb and do they have that kind of football IQ though?
The entire discussion of what a player is worth is fascinating to me. Fans look at stats and salary and determine worth without the factor of value. That play in Chicago with Cobb is such a great example because it also involved a highly compensated FB that didn’t really provide much production but slid over immediately and got just enough of Peppers so Rodgers could find Cobb who spotted Conte squatting 7 yards deep on 4th and 8. What’s the value in that?
Cobb isn’t worth $9.5 million per year based on stats. His value within the offense still is IMO. You never know when the value of that kind of IQ might help tilt an important game.
Right said, Fred.
I think M-class will be much more than a 6th OL in this offense. If he were TE#1 I'd scratch him to have a tougher time finding or creating creases down the seam. But if you've got Jolly Green Graham lined up off the other T with 17 to his other side, Lewis is going to find some really favorable circumstances when it comes time for him to lay a route. And he is no slouch as a receiver. Big soft mitts on the ends of those 4ft arms.
Per several sources...
”The Raiders have put Khalil Mack on the trading block. #Packers #Jets #Giants among teams that are interested”
Oh.
It was a push off worthy of Michael Irvin, but I love it.
Wonder if they’re trying to get rid of Cobb to free up money for Mack, wanting to get something instead of outright cutting him.
Would Raiders want to pair up Cobb (and a pick) with Jordy)
michiganjoe posted:Henry posted:I'm thinking he'll get plenty of opportunities this year. At least I hope he does.
A bit risky and the QB wouldn't be happy, but if a team was willing to overpay for Cobb I'd roll the dice this year.
If it meant we could have Mack, I would give him up for the keys to Jaymo's mom's basement...well, Jaymo's bedroom.
PackLandVA posted:Would Raiders want to pair up Cobb (and a pick) with Jordy)
Gruden didn't know Freeman and Brooks were no longer available so now he's after Jordy and Cobb.
Sounds like a vaudeville act.
