2018 (or is it 2019?) Free Agency Moves/Trades/Releases

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

ammo posted:

From an SI article about free agents:

Sheldon Richardson (27), Seahawks
The talent is irrefutable. The question is, given his history, who wants to make him uber-rich and then hope he grows up?

Looks like the Suckqueens do. 

But Wilkerson is known for his work ethic, right?

Because he’s a packer now, right?

Packer people.  Am I right?

It is far from an unprecedented hypothesis.  Randy Moss and Charles Woodson being obvious examples.  Some players have the trait of sometimes losing desire while mired with a bad team.  Look at Moss's years with the Raiders followed by his year with the Patriots.

The jury is out and is far from settled.

We'll see.

phaedrus posted:

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

Because he’s a packer now, right?

Packer people.  Am I right?

It is far from an unprecedented hypothesis.  Randy Moss and Charles Woodson being obvious examples.  Some players have the trait of sometimes losing desire while mired with a bad team.  Look at Moss's years with the Raiders followed by his year with the Patriots.

The jury is out and is far from settled.

We'll see.

As would the jury be out on Richardson, but homer has already settled it.  I’d think Martellus Bennet would temper expectations of “packer people”.

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Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

lambeausouth posted:

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

 

Am I right?

Not that I will ever admit.

Fixed for accuracy

Oh, please. If you ever made a cogent point, I might be inclined to agree with it, depending on the crux of the conversation. But I have yet to see anything beyond childish pot stirring and quasi temper tantrums from you. 

And by the way: I've spent the last half hour plus inquiring as to the veracity of your claims, that Kirk Cousins took less money to play in Minneapolis. Every link you provided ultimately traces back to comments made by his agent, which are completely self serving. And I sifted through Ian Rapoport's Twitter. I see nothing that leads me to believe he had unique insights into the contract negotiations. 

Furthermore, I wouldn't put too much faith in a guy who recently said he expected Cousins to sign a long term deal with the Redskins.

http://www.nbcsports.com/washi...-be-redskins-qb-2019

Whoops. 

Check Jesse Palmer’s twitter and get back to me.

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

So McKinnon is gone and Cook has a bad knee?  And Murray turned that leverage into a pay cut?

Looks like he took less money to remain a Viking to me.

Looks like a dumb ass to me

less money and no ring!

Who wouldn't want to be a Viking, even if it takes a pay cut.

a.) No expectations.

b.) Fans who worship you like you are some cult leader (even going so far as to spend their entire time defending you on other team forums)

c.) All your games will be announced by the most obnoxious homer of a mic man ever.  I do blame Paul Allen for much of the Viking fans' ill-placed bravado

d.) Juicy Lucies

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

Check Jesse Palmer’s twitter and get back to me.

With each subsequent post, you further confirm my opinion that you're a bloviating imbecile. 

So you’re not going to check the twitter feed of the only person that has said what you believe to be true?

I understand.

Here.  Let me help.  This is your source.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jessepalmertv?lang=en

Please go spend your life on the Vikings board. We at X4 have serious subjects to discuss.

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

Latavious Murray restructures.  Takes less money to remain a Viking.

*sigh*.......so nice.

Players only do that when they're about to be cut and they know the restructure amount is more than their market value (see Jordy Nelson to Oakland). So congrats, your team just paid more for him than even his agent thinks any other team would. 

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

So you’re not going to check the twitter feed of the only person that has said what you believe to be true?

I understand.

Here.  Let me help.  This is your source.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jessepalmertv?lang=en

Let me slow down, because you obviously cannot grasp even the most rudimentary of concepts. 

You said that Cousins took less money to sign with the Vikings. The onus is on you to prove it. With me so far? 

Now, you've provided multiple links to stories purported to do just that. Only, they don't prove a damned thing. When a story includes a tidbit like "according to Kirk Cousins' agent, the quarterback took less money to sign with the Vikings", the source is not credible; it is biased. Such statements are made only to portray Cousins in a favorable light. The agent's job is to do everything within their power to increase their client's stature, and bank account. A story like "Kirk Cousins took less money to come play with the Vikings, because he wants to win" is an attempt to endear the player to the Vikings fan base. The Vikings brass are doing everything they can to change the narrative from "utter collapse in the NFC Championship Game" to "we're among the top Super Bowl contenders for 2018." It is damage control; they are trying to attract ticket holders every way they know how. 

Now, is it possible that Cousins took less money, and less guaranteed money, to sign with Minnesota? Absolutely. My point is that there has been no independent confirmation of this. Yet you are running with it as ironclad fact, when it is anything but. The vast majority of journalists today are more interested in "breaking a story" than doing their due diligence to ensure what they are reporting is accurate. 

Show me a story where an NFL Insider states what you assess, and the source of the insider's assertion is not Cousins' agent, and I will review it.

And FYI, I don't give a damn about Jesse Palmer, or his opinion. 

He's making himself feel better about going from average to slightly more than average at QB by touting that Minnesota is a destination job compared to...the Jets. Well yeah no duh a player would rather go to a team that was just in a conference championship vs. a team who will be going through a coaching change in the next year or two...you don't need Mike Zimner's one good eyeball to see that. Because QB's have historically been so successful in NY that it had to be the allure of the Vikings organization that drew Kurt Cousins there...also that full guaranteed $84 million probably helped. That's the funniest part to me, fully guaranteed! I'm sure it will affect Rodgers contract and he will get (and deserves more), but at least he has 2 MVPs, NFL records, and a SB win to his name justify it. Aaron Rodgers will play at a HOF level to justify his deal, Fart Cousins will help his team get bounced in R1 of the playoffs for the next 3 years when they finally decide to go in a new direction at QB and HC. Cheer up though, there's a high school senior waiting to graduate in a few weeks who will likely be the next Vikings HOF QB when you all again stake your claim to the offseason Lombardi Tropy in the 2022 offseason. 

AIN'T NO STOPPIN US NOW! SKOL!

If Cousins really “wanted to win”, he would at least talked to the Donks. You know a team that knows how to win. Instead he wanted the cake and found the dummies willing to give it to him. 

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

phaedrus posted:

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

Because he’s a packer now, right?

Packer people.  Am I right?

It is far from an unprecedented hypothesis.  Randy Moss and Charles Woodson being obvious examples.  Some players have the trait of sometimes losing desire while mired with a bad team.  Look at Moss's years with the Raiders followed by his year with the Patriots.

The jury is out and is far from settled.

We'll see.

As would the jury be out on Richardson, but homer has already settled it.  I’d think Martellus Bennet would temper expectations of “packer people”.

Oh, I did not see that.  Personally, saying someone is a certainty in this regard is silly.  Just my $0.02.

I am of the strong conviction that any Packer-Viking banter, even if relevant to other topics, be isolated to the Viking topic.  Posts in other topics can still be referenced/quoted.

Frankly, it is irritating the living crap out of me!

lambeausouth posted:

You said that Cousins took less money to sign with the Vikings. The onus is on you to prove it. With me so far? 

 

I can’t force you to read it.  He’s only a NYJ insider.  I realize that won’t be enough for you, but Jesse F*cking Palmer saying no other team made an offer is as good as gold.....

https://mobile.twitter.com/MMe...serp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Moran

To shift the subject a little bit, if I could be a time traveler and gone back to 2012 and shown you these 2018 headlines, would I have been locked up in a psychiatric facility? Or more likely, people would have assumed I switched the headlines on RG3 and Cousins. These two were drafted the same year by Washingon and RG3 is two years younger and won the Heisman trophy.

In 2012, RG3 was 9-6 as a rookie QB had a QB rating of 102.4 and ran for 815 yards.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.861542e688f1

Robert Griffin III’s NFL career is in ruins. He’s doing what he can to keep it that way.

In his first three years (2012-2014), Kirk Cousins was 2-7 as a starter with 18 TDs and 19 interceptions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...before-it-even-began

Kirk Cousins, QBs dominated free agency before it even began

What a LOON! 😁

Pfffftttt. Thinking Cousins will get more in FA than RG3.

Lambeausouth:

Let me slow down, because you obviously cannot grasp even the most rudimentary of concepts. 

You said that Cousins took less money to sign with the Vikings. The onus is on you to prove it. With me so far? 

Let me guess.  Being the best smartass gives you a big fat hard on.

phaedrus posted:

I am of the strong conviction that any Packer-Viking banter, even if relevant to other topics, be isolated to the Viking topic.  Posts in other topics can still be referenced/quoted.

Frankly, it is irritating the living crap out of me!

Duly noted and done. 

Packiderm posted:

If Cousins really “wanted to win”, he would at least talked to the Donks. You know a team that knows how to win. Instead he wanted the cake and found the dummies willing to give it to him. 

Could not disagree more.  Broncos are a mess.  They have no starting caliber RT, RG or TE.  They have no #3 WR.  RBs are bottom of the league.  And on defense, they are down Talib, Ware, Trevathan, M Jackson, and Ward from their 2015 Super Bowl defense with all replacements being average, at best.  They finished 5-11 with multiple blowouts.  Elways draft record the last 4 years is horrendous.  

Hate to admit it, but Vikings are much closer to a Super Bowl caliber roster than the Broncos.  

The Donks paid huge bucks and spent their cap in hopes they would win a SB. It worked but now their paying the price. And **** drafts aren't helping either. 

Of course he is. What a POS.

#Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict is facing a 4-game suspension for violating @NFL PED policy, source confirms (as @AdamSchefter said.) This explains why there were since-scuttled trade discussions with the #Raiders.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 16, 2018

I'm shocked.

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

lambeausouth posted:

You said that Cousins took less money to sign with the Vikings. The onus is on you to prove it. With me so far? 

 

I can’t force you to read it.  He’s only a NYJ insider.  I realize that won’t be enough for you, but Jesse F*cking Palmer saying no other team made an offer is as good as gold.....

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MMe...serp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The fact you believe anyone is an "insider" who is not in the top chain of organization kind of works against you. 

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

So McKinnon is gone and Cook has a bad knee?  And Murray turned that leverage into a pay cut?

Looks like he took less money to remain a Viking to me.

It would. To you.

Wilkerson on a one year “prove it” deal makes sense. He’s an all-pro level player when healthy and engaged. There’s very little risk in this, much higher upside. Maybe I’m missing the argument that this was somehow a bad move? 

I hope beyond all hope GB figures out how to utilize Graham to his fullest potential. Because GB has not figured out how to utilize the TE position in Rodgers time in GB. Its been a focus for MM and staff. But the numbers don't back up the commitment. 

CUPackFan posted:

Packiderm posted:

If Cousins really “wanted to win”, he would at least talked to the Donks. You know a team that knows how to win. Instead he wanted the cake and found the dummies willing to give it to him. 

Could not disagree more.  Broncos are a mess.  They have no starting caliber RT, RG or TE.  They have no #3 WR.  RBs are bottom of the league.  And on defense, they are down Talib, Ware, Trevathan, M Jackson, and Ward from their 2015 Super Bowl defense with all replacements being average, at best.  They finished 5-11 with multiple blowouts.  Elways draft record the last 4 years is horrendous.  

Hate to admit it, but Vikings are much closer to a Super Bowl caliber roster than the Broncos.  

Ok following your point. Vikes didn’t want Keenum. If they did they would have signed him before FA. So he’s linked to Denver right off the bat. So Cousins is left with Queenies (contender), Cards (rebuilding new coach), Jets (mess) So the Vikes desperate to win a title overpay a ridiculous contract while the lure of playing for a legit Super Bowl contender should have been enough to come in a more “reasonable” number. 

I love the Wilkerson deal. Mo Kenny Daniels. Pettine will build out from that. 

Now draft Quenton. Always build inside out. Always. 

ChilliJon posted:

I hope beyond all hope GB figures out how to utilize Graham to his fullest potential. Because GB has not figured out how to utilize the TE position in Rodgers time in GB. Its been a focus for MM and staff. But the numbers don't back up the commitment. 

According to IIRC Ryan Wood who was on local radio here, inside "sources" told him Graham will essentially look and operate like a WR (much like he did in NO) lining up outside opposite Adams. In NO, that's where he was most productive and before signing with Seattle, he also wanted to be classified as a WR to get more money (he lost that bid with the league). 

Same station also had a local Seattle reporter on to talk about Graham. He said the fault in drop off with Graham was largely due to Darrell Bevell not realizing where to utilize him best. He said, no Graham hasn't lost significant speed, he will play hurt, and the Seahags did him no favors with how they used him. 

They only saw him as largely a RZ threat when in reality he could be so much more then that. Let's hope Joe Philbin reviews ALOT of NO's tape on him. Because the Saint's knew how to use that 6'7 frame to perfection. 

ChilliJon posted:

I hope beyond all hope GB figures out how to utilize Graham to his fullest potential. Because GB has not figured out how to utilize the TE position in Rodgers time in GB. Its been a focus for MM and staff. But the numbers don't back up the commitment. 

Agreed. Even in Finley's best years they didn't utilize nearly as often as NE utilizes Gronkowski. Not that Finley was comparable to Gronk, but even if you look at how often GB targeted Finley it wasn't as much as you would expect for basically a non-blocking receiving-only big/athletic TE. Basically just 5 times a game whereas NE targets Gronk 8-10 times a game. 

Should those extra 3 or 4 targets have been taken away from Cobb?  Nelson?  Jones?  Jennings?  in order to utilize Finely more?  

Graham officially signed and will wear #80. 

I don't know, but Gronkowski (when healthy) is 1 or 2 in most targets for NE and he is a backbreaker for opposing defenses. Zach Ertz was #2 in targets for PHI this past year and came up big for them. The two times New Orleans made the playoffs with Jimmy Graham (including their SB year), he was #1 on their targets list. It doesn't seem to be enough to have an athletic TE, but you need to utilize him and in a lot of cases it pays off big. Maybe they used Finley enough, obviously that offense got plenty of production, but that won't be the case for this group. They will need to target Graham often if he still has gas in the tank. 

packerboi posted:

ChilliJon posted:

I hope beyond all hope GB figures out how to utilize Graham to his fullest potential. Because GB has not figured out how to utilize the TE position in Rodgers time in GB. Its been a focus for MM and staff. But the numbers don't back up the commitment. 

 

.... They only saw him as largely a RZ threat when in reality he could be so much more then that. Let's hope Joe Philbin reviews ALOT of NO's tape on him. Because the Saint's knew how to use that 6'7 frame to perfection. 

He's also a good training aid for Michael Clark. Watch and learn, young man.

Clark actually seemed a bit more athletic and willing to stick his nose in there than the recent version of Graham (although everyone on the roster except maybe Fackrell is probably more physically hard-nosed than Graham).  

The kid just needs reps (and good coaching). I'm assuming he has the work ethic.

Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:

So McKinnon is gone and Cook has a bad knee?  And Murray turned that leverage into a pay cut?

Looks like he took less money to remain a Viking to me.

Signed for starter money stayed for back up’s money, because HE.IS.A.BACK UP.

I think McStupidface has gone wrong when he has tried to force more targets on a player.  Graham is best utilized to open up the field and make it harder for teams to cover Cobb and Adams.  I'm less worried about how many targets JimmyG gets than how well the offense is moving.  I also hope we see better balance with the running game.