Lambeau Lobo posted:
- Traded away the team's cancer in Randall for Kizer, a great QB prospect, and two better draft picks
Must have been a hell of a Locker Room with Martellus Bennett
Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:ammo posted:From an SI article about free agents:
Sheldon Richardson (27), Seahawks
The talent is irrefutable. The question is, given his history, who wants to make him uber-rich and then hope he grows up?Looks like the Suckqueens do.
But Wilkerson is known for his work ethic, right?
Because he’s a packer now, right?
Packer people. Am I right?
So reply with quote where I said Wilkerson was great now that he is a Packer. Show me where I said he has a great work ethic. Show me where I called him Packer people. Just show me!!!!
YooperPackfan posted:If anything the Packers lowered his cap number for 2018...not understanding this move in the least. If the Bears didn’t want him back they just simply wouldn’t have tagged him and gotten quite possibly as much as a 3rd rounder for him in compensatory picks, alls Gutenkunst did was negotiate a contract for the Bears
No.
The Bears didn't want to commit to Fuller beyond this year. He played extremely well last season and they thought they'd get a "prove it" one year deal with him before committing to him.
Instead, likely Gute threw a long term deal as a counter offer, the ability to play with a HOFer in Rodgers vs Mitchy, and geographically it's not a big move to head to WI vs Ill.
Fuller turned down an offer sheet another team put together. You have to think the Packers made this a fairly sweet deal that the Bores will have to either grudgingly sign or not match.
YATittle posted:Fuller has dealt with injuries in the past, but he came on strong last season, finishing as the league's 36th-ranked cornerback, per Pro Football Focus, while shining in one-on-one matchups down the stretch.
With Prince Amukamara hitting the open market, Chicago remains a candidate to add additional help at corner both in free agency and the draft. Getting their 2014 first-rounder back goes a long way to shoring up this developing secondary.
Had to look this up but Prince did just re-sign with Bears, so if they don't like tender contract they may let Fuller go.
If so, Kyle Fuller (6'0, 190 age 26) would be a good B-day present for me. 
Also: once we get a vet starter there will be other CB cuts after draft to add for depth...
ChilliJon posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:Time and wins will determine whether Gutey is ultimately considered a great GM, but I like the start to the Gutey Era. The future is bright.The past wasnt? Ted didn’t leave anyone embarrassed for loyalty.
Preach
packerboi posted:YooperPackfan posted:If anything the Packers lowered his cap number for 2018...not understanding this move in the least. If the Bears didn’t want him back they just simply wouldn’t have tagged him and gotten quite possibly as much as a 3rd rounder for him in compensatory picks, alls Gutenkunst did was negotiate a contract for the Bears
No.
The Bears didn't want to commit to Fuller beyond this year. He played extremely well last season and they thought they'd get a "prove it" one year deal with him before committing to him.
Instead, likely Gute threw a long term deal as a counter offer, the ability to play with a HOFer in Rodgers vs Mitchy, and geographically it's not a big move to head to WI vs Ill.
Fuller turned down an offer sheet another team put together. You have to think the Packers made this a fairly sweet deal that the Bores will have to either grudgingly sign or not match.
I guess you’re right 
Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:Do the packers have enough money left to sign Jarius “The Human 3rd Down Conversion” Wright?
Just released by the Vikings.
Glad to see he’s finaly got a chance at a ring.
phaedrus posted:Lambeausouth:
Let me slow down, because you obviously cannot grasp even the most rudimentary of concepts.
You said that Cousins took less money to sign with the Vikings. The onus is on you to prove it. With me so far?
Let me guess. Being the best smartass gives you a big fat hard on.
When people come here to stir the pot, and are generally unpleasant for the sake of being unpleasant, I'll reciprocate what they give out. People that come here to constructively discuss football don't incur the came kind of response. If you have a problem with how I treat trolls, ignore me.
El-Ka-Bong posted:I think McStupidface has gone wrong when he has tried to force more targets on a player. Graham is best utilized to open up the field and make it harder for teams to cover Cobb and Adams. I'm less worried about how many targets JimmyG gets than how well the offense is moving. I also hope we see better balance with the running game.
Agreed completely.
I think how a player performs, be it a tight end, receiver, or a guy out of the backfield, and how they get open, should dictate the number of targets they get. #12 is pretty good at seeing the field, and I trust him to throw the ball where it gives the offense the best chance to score. Artificially increasing targets to any one player is just a bad idea. You've got one of the smartest guys to ever play the game running the offense. Call the plays, and let Rodgers decide where the ball should go.
Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:Do the packers have enough money left to sign Jarius “The Human 3rd Down Conversion” Wright?
Just released by the Vikings.
It's the Vikings who sign every Packer cast off, not the other way around.
YATittle posted:
Sadly you are right about Fuller. Surprised Bores didn't wait the 5 days to make Packers sweat it out, but glad they didn't. Next!
Rashaan Melvin to sign with the Raiders, looks like.
So, who's left to sign at CB? I'm all for what Gute has been doing, but we need somebody to cover.
Offer a 1st and third to Arizona for Patrick prtrson.. pack gets a great cb and cardinals get ammo to move up to get a qb.
Floridarob posted:Offer a 1st and third to Arizona for Patrick prtrson.. pack gets a great q.b and cardinals get ammo to move up to get a qb.
You mean CB but we don't want to overpay.
EJ "No" Gaines still available. But he is just 5'10, 190 age 26.
Wiki has him at 5'11. No matter...
other CBs here
Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:Ladies and gentleclowns.......we got him.
Griffen-Joseph-Richardson-Hunter
Has Rodgers signed an extension? He might choose to retire instead.
Purple People Eaters II
The Four Norsemen!
Barr, Kendricks
Rhodes Closed
Hitman Harry
*sigh*
YATittle posted:
Hate being right on this. He was awesome this year
Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
Swing and a miss. I still believe a quality starting CB is out there for the Packers this year. Just not a soon as we would like.
I really dont think we have enough money to compete in this signing frenzy that is going on right now. Its a bad time to not have as much cap money as needed. I thought TT was supposed to be good at that. He leaves the front office and his replacement does not have the money to keep up with all the nutty signings going on right now.
It may be time for Pipkins, Brown, Waters and King to step up.
YooperPackfan posted:Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
How so? If the Bears don't match, the Packers obtain a top CB on the market, and they don't have to give the Bears a single pick, because Fuller was transition tagged.
If they do match, the Packers force them to commit to a long term deal where they had been unwilling to do so before. That eats up a large chunk of the Bears' available salary cap space.
I would hardly call it an idiotic move. In fact, I've read multiple articles from sportswriters calling the move brilliant by our GM.
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- In more than one way, the Green Bay Packers' decision to sign cornerback Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet on Friday was a brilliant move by first-year general manager Brian Gutekunst.
It’s a no-lose situation for the Packers -- even if they don’t land Fuller.
lambeausouth posted:YooperPackfan posted:Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
How so? If the Bears don't match, the Packers obtain a top CB on the market, and they don't have to give the Bears a single pick, because Fuller was transition tagged.
If they do match, the Packers force them to commit to a long term deal where they had been unwilling to do so before. That eats up a large chunk of the Bears' available salary cap space.
I would hardly call it an idiotic move. In fact, I've read multiple articles from sportswriters calling the move brilliant by our GM.
Because the packers not only negotiated his contract for the bears but lowered his total cap number for 2018
Brown Paper Sack posted:Not as Cool as B.P.S. posted:Ladies and gentleclowns.......we got him.
Griffen-Joseph-Richardson-Hunter
Has Rodgers signed an extension? He might choose to retire instead.
Purple People Eaters II
The Four Norsemen!
Barr, Kendricks
Rhodes Closed
Hitman Harry
*sigh*
Were those the guys that got absolutely destroyed by the Eagles and their backup quarterback?
YooperPackfan posted:lambeausouth posted:YooperPackfan posted:Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
How so? If the Bears don't match, the Packers obtain a top CB on the market, and they don't have to give the Bears a single pick, because Fuller was transition tagged.
If they do match, the Packers force them to commit to a long term deal where they had been unwilling to do so before. That eats up a large chunk of the Bears' available salary cap space.
I would hardly call it an idiotic move. In fact, I've read multiple articles from sportswriters calling the move brilliant by our GM.
Because the packers not only negotiated his contract for the bears but lowered his total cap number for 2018
Who cares about their cap number for 2018. They had $60 million available. It's the cap number in 2020 and beyond that matters. Great move by Gute.
Packiderm posted:CUPackFan posted:Packiderm posted:If Cousins really “wanted to win”, he would at least talked to the Donks. You know a team that knows how to win. Instead he wanted the cake and found the dummies willing to give it to him.
Could not disagree more. Broncos are a mess. They have no starting caliber RT, RG or TE. They have no #3 WR. RBs are bottom of the league. And on defense, they are down Talib, Ware, Trevathan, M Jackson, and Ward from their 2015 Super Bowl defense with all replacements being average, at best. They finished 5-11 with multiple blowouts. Elways draft record the last 4 years is horrendous.
Hate to admit it, but Vikings are much closer to a Super Bowl caliber roster than the Broncos.
Ok following your point. Vikes didn’t want Keenum. If they did they would have signed him before FA. So he’s linked to Denver right off the bat. So Cousins is left with Queenies (contender), Cards (rebuilding new coach), Jets (mess) So the Vikes desperate to win a title overpay a ridiculous contract while the lure of playing for a legit Super Bowl contender should have been enough to come in a more “reasonable” number.
Oh I don't disagree with this premise. Vikings signed Cousins to a ridiculous contract. But completely disagree that the Broncos were closer to a title than the Vikings. Broncos were 5-11 with a -93 point differential (27th in the NFL). Broncos suck.
"GUTEY MADE A PHONE CALL!"
:jizz jizz:
:greatest evarrr:
Gute was win-win on the Bears CB. It’s a chess game
Packards know they won't challenge Minnesota for the North, so they have to resort to "sabatoging" the Bears.
Nice try, Fudgies. I'm glad they forced Pace to sign this deal. Fullers a great kid whos just starting to come into his own.
ammo posted:YooperPackfan posted:lambeausouth posted:YooperPackfan posted:Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
How so? If the Bears don't match, the Packers obtain a top CB on the market, and they don't have to give the Bears a single pick, because Fuller was transition tagged.
If they do match, the Packers force them to commit to a long term deal where they had been unwilling to do so before. That eats up a large chunk of the Bears' available salary cap space.
I would hardly call it an idiotic move. In fact, I've read multiple articles from sportswriters calling the move brilliant by our GM.
Because the packers not only negotiated his contract for the bears but lowered his total cap number for 2018
Who cares about their cap number for 2018. They had $60 million available. It's the cap number in 2020 and beyond that matters. Great move by Gute.
Great move by Gute? Yup that’s what the Bears are saying after the “Great Gute” just made it easy and negotiated a contract for their starting CB
YATittle posted:
What's that?!?!?
Richardson TOOK MORE MONEY to play with the Vikings?!?!?
Nooooo.......say it ain't so!!!
YooperPackfan posted:packerboi posted:You have to think the Packers made this a fairly sweet deal that the Bores will have to either grudgingly sign or not match.I guess you’re right
Umm.... yeah he IS.
If they wanted him at 4 years $56 million they would've offered that contract. Now they're FORCED to pay it.
YooperPackfan posted:lambeausouth posted:YooperPackfan posted:Well I hope Gutekunst learned from this because it was total idiotness on his part
How so? If the Bears don't match, the Packers obtain a top CB on the market, and they don't have to give the Bears a single pick, because Fuller was transition tagged.
If they do match, the Packers force them to commit to a long term deal where they had been unwilling to do so before. That eats up a large chunk of the Bears' available salary cap space.
I would hardly call it an idiotic move. In fact, I've read multiple articles from sportswriters calling the move brilliant by our GM.
Because the packers not only negotiated his contract for the bears but lowered his total cap number for 2018
Stop being so near-sighted. I think Gutie did great here. Something TT should've done more of .
Overall, I find it surprising that the Packers are up against the cap as much as they are. Since the cap era started, they have been as good, if not better, than any other teams in the league at managing it, and I don't remember any scuttlebutt that this year was going to be particularly bad.
Since we had so many key players reaching the last year of their contracts, I thought restructuring/extensions would be the order of the day for the guys they want to keep. Perhaps they are going to wait until Aaron's new deal is done, but they've guaranteed a bunch of salary in the meantime.
Richardson said he chose the Vikings because “I wanted the best opportunity to win a Super Bowl and I feel this is it.”
Brown Paper Sack posted:Packards know they won't challenge Minnesota for the North, so they have to resort to "sabatoging" the Bears.
This is going to be a great post to revisit in December...we have a new “Ain’t No Stoppin Us Now!” Or “The thing about Phil Emery is...”