The fact that the Bears don't already have a QB taking a ton of cap space should allow them to make this more than just a rental. They should have a good shot to resign him.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:michiganjoe posted:Think the Bears had much more ammunition. I agree with Ryan Wood- those two low first-rounders never struck me as enough to swing it.
It was enough...read this tweet from Rapaport...
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 27 minutes ago
The price of trading for Khalil Mack was described to me late last night as 2 first-round picks and a player. There was only one team willing to do that.
Only ONE team willing to give up 2 #1's..this doesn't imply in ANY way that the Packer's 2 #1's wasn't going to be enough, in fact, it sounds like it would have been, and Gutey wasn't willing to give up two #1's in the low 20's for maybe the best defensive player in the game?? That sounds like Ted.
You have zero clue if two firsts were offered or not. None. Zip.
Ask yourselves, #Packers fans: would you rather have a pair of first-round picks from a team quarterbacked by Mitch Trubisky, or teams quarterbacked by Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees? It's pretty simple, really. https://t.co/T19wX4DmSy
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) September 1, 2018
fightphoe93 posted:The fact that the Bears don't already have a QB taking a ton of cap space should allow them to make this more than just a rental. They should have a good shot to resign him.
Framework of the contract could've been an issue as well. Wait to see if the deal comes through.
Keep in mind Mack will be 28 in February as well. Not to say age was a huge factor, but it had to something Gute at least to consider giving up 2 firsts PLUS a player for a soon to be 28 year old.
packerboi posted:Hardly a draft guru here, but most draft nicks are saying 2019 is not only deep at pass rusher, but this will also be a deep draft at OT.
2 of the Packers biggest needs. I got no problem with Gute hanging on to those 2 1st rounders.
The fact the Packers were in serious talks is some kind of pyrrhic victory. If they didn't have the ammo to get the Raiders to bite, well, nothing you can do. Would they offer 3 first rounders? That's crazy.
Huge move by the Bears. I give them credit for having the massive sack to do it.
packerboi posted:Keep in mind Mack will be 28 in February as well. Not to say age was a huge factor, but it had to something Gute at least to consider giving up 2 firsts PLUS a player for a soon to be 28 year old.
That's what I was wondering. If Mack wanted a bigger contract than Donald and you followed those terms you're pushing out a huge, likely guaranteed cap number to when he's pushing 34. There's no saying it isn't worth it but if the Bears are willing to take that risk, offering better terms as far as the length of contract, it may be part of it. Some guys want shorter contracts so they can possibly get another payday. Mack doesn't need to.
Of course, they don't really need Mack's consent but Mack could sit out with the Bears, Raiders, Packers or whoever if he isn't getting the terms he wants. I'm sure all sides were talking even if it was just a general framework.
Add that to a ****ty Bears team #1s and it may have been a mountain too far.
I'll be curious to see what player the Bears are trading.
packerboi posted:Hardly a draft guru here, but most draft nicks are saying 2019 is not only deep at pass rusher, but this will also be a deep draft at OT.
2 of the Packers biggest needs. I got no problem with Gute hanging on to those 2 1st rounders.
Which is why, if I'm the Raiders, I might be tempted more by a Green Bay offer. They're in need of both of those positions also, and with three #1s......
Henry posted:I'll be curious to see what player the Bears are trading.
Two, almost guaranteed better positioned, 1st rounders AND this player. While Gutekunst had the 1s, the player may have been two costly to offset where those 1s would be in draft order V what CHI has.
Bears spending huge capital to do this. Two 1st Round picks and a player, plus need to pay Mack a "AaronDonald like" salary.....they must think they're done rebuilding.
packerboi posted:Hardly a draft guru here, but most draft nicks are saying 2019 is not only deep at pass rusher, but this will also be a deep draft at OT.
2 of the Packers biggest needs. I got no problem with Gute hanging on to those 2 1st rounders.
I'm kinda a draft guru. At least I've been going since 2007. 😁
Who says the Saints 1st rounder is going to be a low first? Or for that matter the Packer 1st rounder?
What if something happens to Kamara, Brees, Michael Thomas? Their DBs? What if something happens to Rodgers again? We saw the Packers last year minus Rodgers. That was ugly & we drafted in the top half of the draft.
Lots can happen over a 17 week schedule.
Mack was never worth (2) 1st rounders. Bears already gave up a truckload of picks to swap spots & draft their QB - "biscuit" - with the Niners. Now they're giving away more picks for Mack?
I can count on 1 hand how many players in the league are worth (2) 1st rounders. Tom Brady ain't one of them & neither is Kevin Mack.
Herschel posted:packerboi posted:Hardly a draft guru here, but most draft nicks are saying 2019 is not only deep at pass rusher, but this will also be a deep draft at OT.
2 of the Packers biggest needs. I got no problem with Gute hanging on to those 2 1st rounders.
Which is why, if I'm the Raiders, I might be tempted more by a Green Bay offer. They're in need of both of those positions also, and with three #1s......
3 #1s? No way. The Packers have more than enough restocking to do. That's just too much draft capital especially when you're likely going to need a competent RT in the near future. Even with Mack the Packers will need a bevy of LB stock as well.
edit: Er, nevermind. You meant the Raiders first as well.
I'm going to laugh if Floyd is part of the deal. I'm trying to figure out what player the Packers could realistically add to the deal whose name isn't Aaron Rodgers. Daniels? Clark?
I was just thinking that too. (Floyd)
Mack is worth ONE first rounder - then you still have to PAY the man!!
F*** the Raiders - Let them eat his holdout & get nothing or fine if the Bears do a Herschel Walker type deal & cripple their franchise for another decade.
Silly season - 1 week before the regular season. 😄
Henry posted:I'm going to laugh if Floyd is part of the deal. I'm trying to figure out what player the Packers could realistically add to the deal whose name isn't Aaron Rodgers. Daniels? Clark?
Nick Perry
Henry posted:I'm going to laugh if Floyd is part of the deal. I'm trying to figure out what player the Packers could realistically add to the deal whose name isn't Aaron Rodgers. Daniels? Clark?
Other than Roquan Smith, Floyd is the only player I can think of that the Raiders might want on the Bears. Otherwise, just ask for a 3rd pick.
Did both first round picks have to be next year? IOW, could it have been a 2019 #1 and a 2020 #1?
And would the Raiders have taken a player like Fackrell or Biegel? As opposed to Matthews, Perry, or Daniels, perhaps?
Other teams with strong offers for Mack were GB, Cle and Buff.
— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) September 1, 2018
While obviously disappointing, especially since he went to a team in the division, count me as one who believes GB was simply in a position not to give Oakland the best offer. Can’t fault them. As had been said, the based on reports so far the only thing they could have done to up the Bears offer would have been to offer an additional **** load of picks and/or probably offer a decent player as part of the deal. Mack is a stud, but he isn’t the entire squad.
Timmy! posted:Did both first round picks have to be next year? IOW, could it have been a 2019 #1 and a 2020 #1?
And would the Raiders have taken a player like Fackrell or Biegel? As opposed to Matthews, Perry, or Daniels, perhaps?
Not trying to be a dick, but don’t think they’d want Biegel or Fackrell. They’re our garbage.
#Packers weren’t operating in a vacuum, people. There was a bidding process going on w/ Khalil Mack trade. Bears had more ammunition — salary cap room (young inexpensive QB) and attractive first-round picks (because they stink) — than other teams, including Packers. https://t.co/se0AAgApwu
— Tom Oates (@TomOatesWSJ) September 1, 2018
Exactly.
I agree, TS. Just had no idea what the Raiders were asking for in terms of a player.
I assumed a defensive player since Mack was.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Henry posted:I'm going to laugh if Floyd is part of the deal. I'm trying to figure out what player the Packers could realistically add to the deal whose name isn't Aaron Rodgers. Daniels? Clark?
Nick Perry
Yes, and have him for 8 games.
From one team executive who spoke to Raiders about Mack, speaking of Reggie McKenzie: “It was crystal clear to me that Reggie didn’t want to trade Mack.”
— mike freeman (@mikefreemanNFL) September 1, 2018
On a positive note, Mack is going to be a ****in beast against a suspect Viking offensive line who should put Cousin’s head between his balls.
One might say Cousin’s head is already between his balls, but you understand my point.
It’s Saturday and I’ve had way too much coffee.
Think about it, would you rather have Kahil Mack or Gio Gonzalez AND Curtis Granderson ?
I’m pretty damn impressed that Goofyfarter put our team in a legitimate position to land Mack in the first place. I like this new era so far.
I don’t begrudge Gute for not landing Mack. Would have instantly made this team the SB favorite, but based on how Gute drafted in early rounds this year I’m not disappointed we will be loaded with ammo next year. It’s a strong year for pass rushers and OL, so we could the picks we have could solidify our OL and DL without hamstringing our salary cap.
You can absolutely see the Pack landing a pass-rusher plus a RT next year in round 1.
Don't mortgage the future unless it's a franchise QB less than 25 years young.
If the Bears are indeed trading two first-round picks for Mack, that’s giving up 10 years of fixed and reasonable contract values for two of highest rated young players. No margin of error for Mack not being elite.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) September 1, 2018
Good point here by Brandt. Mack HAS to be elite to make this worth it.
Also the only time Mack has played GB in the regular season he was limited to 1 sack and 2 tackles...even then his 1 sack was a hustle play on a scramble drill. Bulaga kept him in check in that game and a preseason game the year before, his only impact in that game came against backups.
Henry posted:I'm going to laugh if Floyd is part of the deal. I'm trying to figure out what player the Packers could realistically add to the deal whose name isn't Aaron Rodgers. Daniels? Clark?
Jason Spriggs. ;-)
