Round 1 Pick 26 (From Miami) QB Jordan Love Utah State

@Henry posted:

That's a lot of hair splitting.  I don't care if it's Lance or Love or Larry, you don't move up in the first round to draft a project QB.  Especially when you're trying to win a Super Bowl now.  Unless you aren't that concerned about Super Bowls.

Favre was a drunken hillbilly, 3rd string Mississippi  under the tutelage of the great Jerry Springer Glanville

Rodgers was a Tedford with a bum shoulder and a community college pedigree

Both were 1st round "project QBs" -  both won Super Bowls in Titletown

Unconcerned about Super Bowls ? Pish Posh, this is Titletown my man !
That comment is so unbecoming of a varsity letterman like yourself

And now they pretend they always supported the Rodgers pick. I remember a lot of haters from those days

@Goalline posted:

And now they pretend they always supported the Rodgers pick. I remember a lot of haters from those days

I can still hear the boo birds when my boyfriend took the field for his first game.  Couldn’t believe it.  🤬 🤬 🤬

Since it worked out the first time there is no doubt it will work this time.

Satori grabbed a picture from August 2024 with Hank out front protesting that Guphy (Gute + Murphy) should be fired for moving on from Rodgers.

So you prefer he use a little teeth.  Interesting.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Since it worked out the first time there is no doubt it will work this time.

No. Since it worked the first time no chance it will work again.

@Satori posted:

Favre was a drunken hillbilly, 3rd string Mississippi  under the tutelage of the great Jerry Springer Glanville

Rodgers was a Tedford with a bum shoulder and a community college pedigree

Both were 1st round "project QBs" -  both won Super Bowls in Titletown

Unconcerned about Super Bowls ? Pish Posh, this is Titletown my man !
That comment is so unbecoming of a varsity letterman like yourself

Yeah, a Pac 10 QB with a 70% completion rate.  Tedford bullshit and he held the ball high was his rap.

Not even the same fucking ball park.

I'll listen to people's takes but take the homer down about 500 notches.  Rodgers a "project" QB is laughable.

Boy, 17 INTs in the mighty MWC when it was on him.  Yeah, exactly the same as the Rodgers "project".

However could've I missed the similarity?

Let's make this clear since several posters are looking for that Rodgers is the "bad guy" hook lately.  It's about Super Bowls, not Rodgers or Love.

Do your fucking job Gunt.

It wasn’t just that he held the ball high, it’s that Tedford QBs always failed. Redford had a rigid system that made QBs into robots. Scouts were convinced he was Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller redux. That got held against him as unfairly as Love having a bad INT total on a bad team with a bad coaching staff is. In that way they are going through a similar situation.

Oh yes, a guy with a 70% completion rate being rapped for the system the coach ran, which was a dumb fucking rap.

Yes, just like the guy being drafted throwing 17 INTs.

Exact same thing.

Here's the archive of the genius takes.  Lot's of Tedford crap.  The stuff about his athleticism is mind boggling.  Are half of these unnamed scouts employed anymore?

I don't see the word "project" anywhere.

Yeah, this guy was topped out athletically.  70 fucking yards.

Root for Love all you want.  I will too if it he's on the field.

Leave the over the top homer garbage with your stuffed unicorns and pixie dust.

Do your fucking job Gunt.  Win Super Bowls, not the regular season.

Revisionism. The Tedford bias was VERY real. It’s a tight system that has shit out QBs like crazy, all of them some level of failure in the league. So it’s not some unearned reputation that I just made up. When your list of star pupils going back to the early 90’s includes Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller it’s hard not to see a pattern. So yeah Rodgers wasn’t this absolutely perfect can’t miss prospect, he had warts and he had things held against him unfairly.

Jordan Love had the opposite problem. As any Wisconsin fan can tell you, Gary Andersen doesn’t produce the most conducive atmosphere for college football success. Considering he was fired less than 2 years into his hiring it’s fair to assume his program played a part in Love’s regressive season.

The point isn’t to say Rodgers and Love were the same prospect, they’re very different, but it’s that Love has this circumstantial unfair cloud hanging over him just like Rodgers did. You’re screaming 17 INTS the same was guys were screaming TEDFORD QB 16 years ago.

Let's slow this down. 

Did Jordan Love, not Gary Andersen, throw 17 INTs?

Did Aaron Rodgers complete 70% of his passes, not Jeff Tedford?

@Henry posted:

Oh yes, a guy with a 70% completion rate being rapped for the system the coach ran, which was a dumb fucking rap.

Yes, just like the guy being drafted throwing 17 INTs.

Exact same thing.

Here's the archive of the genius takes.  Lot's of Tedford crap.  The stuff about his athleticism is mind boggling.  Are half of these unnamed scouts employed anymore?

I don't see the word "project" anywhere.

Throwing 17 picks playing with a bunch of NAIA level players and coaches. Have you conveniently forgotten what he did the year before with actual D1 level players and coaches? Hmmm!

In a dumper offense where all his skill players got the yards.

This is my agenda when it comes to Jordan Love. 

Quit making making these kind of fucking moves and win a Super Bowl with the HOFer you have right now.  No, it is NOT just like the Favre situation. 

I'm all about build through the draft but for this space and time I'm over it.  Win with the generational talent you have right now.  Do whatever it takes then rebuild around Love since you already picked the guy.  Just don't keep making these kind of fucking moves and not actively fill the gaps in the present team.

Quit fucking hamstringing what you have right in front of you.  Quit "Aaron will take care of it" bullshit.  Build a fucking defense.

That's it.  WIN. A. SUPERBOWL.

@Henry posted:

Let's slow this down.

Did Jordan Love, not Gary Andersen, throw 17 INTs?

Did Aaron Rodgers complete 70% of his passes, not Jeff Tedford?

He completed 63%, but okay. Also Loves career % was 61% so if that stat is your be all then they’re not that far off and 61% is within an acceptable range. Loves Sophomore season was statistically better than Rodgers Junior season. If you’re putting it 100% on the player then HE put together a pretty compelling 2018. “Look, he’s very talented,” [Colts GM Chris] Ballard said. “Had a heck of a season in 2018. … You gotta break down each one of those interceptions and why did they happen? It’s not always on the quarterback....” This was before he had broken down each INT so he was speaking hypothetically in this instance, but the point still stands. Being black and white about his 2019 seasons by screaming BUT THOSE 17 INTS is the same as screaming HES A TEDFORD QB!

People screamed the same song about generational QB and win now in 2005 and they won a SB without that generational talent just 5 years later. WHY DIDNT WE DRAFT RODDY WHITE! WHY DIDNT WE TRADE RODGERS FOR RANDY MOSS! WHY DOESNT THE GM WANT FAVRE TO WIN A SB!

Okay, you feel free to believe the Packers will have perennial HOFers at QB for eternity.

@Grave Digger posted:

He completed 63%, but okay. Also Loves career % was 61% so if that stat is your be all then they’re not that far off and 61% is within an acceptable range. Loves Sophomore season was statistically better than Rodgers Junior season. If you’re putting it 100% on the player then HE put together a pretty compelling 2018. “Look, he’s very talented,” [Colts GM Chris] Ballard said. “Had a heck of a season in 2018. … You gotta break down each one of those interceptions and why did they happen? It’s not always on the quarterback....” This was before he had broken down each INT so he was speaking hypothetically in this instance, but the point still stands. Being black and white about his 2019 seasons by screaming BUT THOSE 17 INTS is the same as screaming HES A TEDFORD QB!

Would it make you feel better if we dissected every INT?  Is that what'll take?  I actually posted a video I believed was a really good look at Jordan Love's game.

Bitch all you want about not drafting for "now" impact, but AR also takes up way too much cap space.  Fact.  The Packers have a better chance of getting "now" talent through FA if they have cap space than they do through the draft.

The INTs arent the point, but someone other than an NFL personnel guy or coach breaking down each INT is literally just PFF. And I know how you feel about PFF. It might as well be you and I breaking down each INT.

@PackLandVA posted:

Bitch all you want about not drafting for "now" impact, but AR also takes up way too much cap space.  Fact.  The Packers have a better chance of getting "now" talent through FA if they have cap space than they do through the draft.

Exactly! Wanna win NOW? Trade your picks for a superstar. Good luck doing that though when your QB eats up so much cap room. With all the cap room 12 takes up he better be prepared to win it all “by himself “.

Not saying he’s not worth the money, but this is a team sport.

@Henry posted:

In a dumper offense where all his skill players got the yards.

That is the actual role of a QB. Get the ball to your skill players?

@PackLandVA posted:

Bitch all you want about not drafting for "now" impact, but AR also takes up way too much cap space.  Fact.  The Packers have a better chance of getting "now" talent through FA if they have cap space than they do through the draft.

There it is.  The Rodgers villainy train slowly gaining steam.  

Rodgers cap means nothing when it comes to the draft.  GUNT DIDN’T EVEN TRY!  In fact he thought it better to actually burn a pick to get Underwear Champion.

@Goalline posted:

That is the actual role of a QB. Get the ball to your skill players?

Then draft your prototypical Trent Dilfer QB in the 3rd round if all you’re doing is asking him to throw 10 yard dumpers.

@Goalline posted:

And now they pretend they always supported the Rodgers pick. I remember a lot of haters from those days

There were a lot of reporters that said Brian Brohm would give Rodgers a run at the starting job in 2008, the year Rodgers would inevitably take over for Favre.  Some went as far to say that Brohm was clearly the better QB.

Of course, they were all idiots, but they were out there.

@Henry posted:

There it is.  The Rodgers villainy train slowly gaining steam.  

Rodgers cap means nothing when it comes to the draft.  GUNT DIDN’T EVEN TRY!  In fact he thought it better to actually burn a pick to get Underwear Champion.

I love Rodgers as much as the next guy.  He’s fun to watch and seems like a great guy. He’s earned every penny of his contract. Hope he plays his entire career with the Packers. No villain at all in my book. But his contract is massive. And that impacts the team.

As far as conflating the draft and the cap, Im not doing that at all as you suggest. You can agree or not, but I think teams are much more likely to find immediate impact players via FA than they are in the draft. Especially those teams consistently picking late each round. And by impact, I’m referring to players that can play their position each week at an average/above average level, not necessarily superstars. How many draft picks play at that level in year 1?  AR’s contract makes retaining the Packers impact players and filling position of need more difficult.  Just a fact.

@vitaflo posted:

There were a lot of reporters that said Brian Brohm would give Rodgers a run at the starting job in 2008, the year Rodgers would inevitably take over for Favre.  Some went as far to say that Brohm was clearly the better QB.

Of course, they were all idiots, but they were out there.

I remember those ridiculous comments.

@Henry posted:

Then draft your prototypical Trent Dilfer QB in the 3rd round if all you’re doing is asking him to throw 10 yard dumpers.

10 yard dumpers? Have you actually watched love play?

I am honestly puzzled by all this - he has literally not even thrown a ball in the nfl yet.  this is where we are? really dead time of year - maybe they need to move the draft up a few weeks.

I’m not sure that he even exists.

Gute isn’t doing enough to get Rodgers to a Super Bowl. He’s not pursuing mid price vets that fill critical depth and ultimately make the difference when you’re playing for championships. Constantly rolling the dice on Kevin King, MVS, and Dean Lowry is not a path to beating Tampa or KC.

Rodgers isn’t taking less money to help afford a deep championship roster. Brady’s cap number is $10.5M, Rodgers is $37M. GB has to push money into the future just to afford to re-sign its core guys and maybe add a few rusty old vets.

Would Gute actually spend that $27M difference on veteran help or spend the bulk on up front money for Jaire and Davante? Probably the latter.

Both are the good guy and the bad guy of this story.

@Henry posted:

There it is.  The Rodgers villainy train slowly gaining steam.  

Rodgers cap means nothing when it comes to the draft.  GUNT DIDN’T EVEN TRY!  In fact he thought it better to actually burn a pick to get Underwear Champion.

This is spot on and the reason so many fans have issues with the pick and Gute. This could end up being the reason Gute has a short career as a GM. Time will tell but he basically bet against Rodgers and lost big time.

Bet against? Maybe he worried that the end was here for him and it was prudent to plan for his replacement the way TT did when he drafted Rodgers. Seems both MLF and Gute were sold on Love.

And to the end of time no one will know if that action by Gute inspired Rodgers to review old film, get rid of his bad habits and improve the way he did. Certainly the second year in a new offense had to help his performance.

Also how has he already lost? If anything he’s bet on Love and we won’t know how that turns out until 2024.

@Henry posted:

Yeah, a Pac 10 QB with a 70% completion rate.  Tedford bullshit and he held the ball high was his rap.

Not even the same fucking ball park.

I'll listen to people's takes but take the homer down about 500 notches.  Rodgers a "project" QB is laughable.

Is that why he sat in the green room for 5+ hours, passed over by 23 teams ?
If he wasn't a project, then why did he have to re-do all of his footwork from scratch, re-work how he holds the ball and learn every single fundamental of the Pro game to become one of the greatest ever ?

There is no part of his game that was ready for the NFL. That was a 3 year project. Whether you have the testicular fortitude to admit it...is irrelevant.

@Grave Digger posted:

Also how has he already lost? If anything he’s bet on Love and we won’t know how that turns out until 2024.

Some dudes can see perfectly into the future...but never the past. If Love takes us to multiple Super Bowls he will be denying he said any of this.