@Henry posted:I don't think a single person doubts Love's incredible physical talent. At least for me, it's always been about his decision making. That's a pretty hard thing to unlearn.
Gotta disagree with this Henry. Bart Starr had terrible decision making in his 1st 2 years. In comes Lombardi and it all changed after 2 more years. I'm not saying LaFluer is Lombardi, I'm saying a guy can learn to make better decisions.
If LaFluer turns this team into a dumper offense with thumper running game then he's all set.
They should probably build a defense to support that style of offense.
@ammo posted:Gotta disagree with this Henry.
Do not invest waste any time arguing with Henry about love. Henry's lost at love more times than he can remember - and its hardly a surprise that his love is a mostly solo engagement these days.
That's why we keep trying to tell him he's:
My soft caresses are the thing of legend. I haven't complain once.
To be fair Satan my reply to Henry was less about Love specifically and more about wether a player can learn to make better decisions. I think that is something that is very teachable.
If Buffalo can draft and develop a “project” like Josh Allen I’m pretty certain the Packers can do the same with Jordan Love. And everyone thought Josh Rosen was the better of the two Josh’s.
@Satori posted:Do not invest waste any time arguing with Henry about love. Henry's lost at love more times than he can remember - and its hardly a surprise that his love is a mostly solo engagement these days.
That's why we keep trying to tell him he's:
That’s cold. Henry gets all the love he needs right from this board.
Can I please see Jordan come out on a mini camp or training camp practice field with PA NUB on the back of his jersey just once?
I bet that would go over big on Twitter.
If it makes y’all feel better, the Packers extra game is against Kansas City on the road.
Which I’m sure will be prime time at night in a raucous Arrowhead Stadium.
NFLFU
@ammo posted:Gotta disagree with this Henry. Bart Starr had terrible decision making in his 1st 2 years. In comes Lombardi and it all changed after 2 more years. I'm not saying LaFluer is Lombardi, I'm saying a guy can learn to make better decisions.
The best evidence that coaching can influence decision-making is none other than Brett Favre. He went from a supernova talent that made many boneheaded decisions to a period from about 1994-1998 where he played like one of the top 10 QBs in history and won 3 MVPs. Unfortunately for Packer fans, he reverted back to making boneheaded decisions after Holmgren left.
Pre-1994: 37 TDs and 39 interceptions (0.95 TD/Interception ratio)
1994-1998: 145 TDs and 56 interceptions (2.59 ratio - better than Drew Brees career numbers(2.34))
After 1998: 326 TDs and 241 interceptions (1.35 ratio - worse than Jameis Winston (1.38) or Jay Cutler (1.41) career numbers
Without the Holmgren years, Favre isn't even a hall of famer.
Great...now all I am going to think to call him is Jordan Nub
@Tschmack posted:If it makes y’all feel better, the Packers extra game is against Kansas City on the road.
Which I’m sure will be prime time at night in a raucous Arrowhead Stadium.
NFLFU
Goodell can't go one offseason without forcing more revenue gouge for the upcoming campaign. More games is not better.
that's awesome Thunderbird !
@Fedya posted:Favre threw 6 picks. Of course, that was in one playoff game.
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Okay, I may have to buy one those and then I'll be the biggest Jordan Pa Nub fan 4 evah.
I guess it would just be Jordan Nub.
Josh Allen showed that a "tools only" QB can make it in this league. I can't remember the last QB from a small school with so little success in college going as high as Allen based only on physical tools. That's literally the only reason he was drafted so high - his physical tools.
It's going to lead to a lot of really bad decisions in this draft and future drafts because hey, if Josh Allen developed, why not this guy?
@Fedya posted:Favre threw 6 picks. Of course, that was in one playoff game.
As amazing as the 6 picks were, it was even more amazing that Farve threw 3 picks sixes in the game and had another interception returned to the Packers 4-yard-line.
Rodgers has also thrown 3 pick-sixes in his career of over 7,300 attempts in the regular season and playoffs.
@ammo posted:Gotta disagree with this Henry. Bart Starr had terrible decision making in his 1st 2 years. In comes Lombardi and it all changed after 2 more years. I'm not saying LaFluer is Lombardi, I'm saying a guy can learn to make better decisions.
It's also worth noting, in tandem with MP2's post on Bert, the 2007 season where MM wrangled #4 into playing smarter football and it yielded 13-3 and some of his best numbers in years. Outside of Holmgren, McCarthy was the only guy who channeled the gunslinger into some measure of efficient football. Vicodin or not, getting that out of a mid thirties Favre offers hope to Love or anyone else.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:As amazing as the 6 picks were, it was even more amazing that Farve threw 3 picks sixes in the game and had another interception returned to the Packers 4-yard-line.
Rodgers has also thrown 3 pick-sixes in his career of over 7,300 attempts in the regular season and playoffs.
Favre was bEtTer than Rodgers. At least, we don’t hear that bit of stupidity anymore.
@Goalline posted:Favre was bEtTer than Rodgers. At least, we don’t hear that bit of stupidity anymore.
Favre and Rodgers had similar physical talent and were/are both arrogant. Arrogance is something you need as a QB or as a superstar talent in almost any sport (the NBA especially).
Favre was really the quintessential Oakland Raiders 1970s QB two decades later. He was a much better version of Ken Stabler (or Joe Namath for a slightly earlier era). Play hard, live hard, throw deep. He'd been right at home hanging out with Alzado, Matsuzak, etc. and playing the villain. Favre was a throwback that needed to be throttled.
Rodgers is an immensely more physically talented version of Bart Starr 40 years later. Starr would have been even better these days as the timing, precision, and decision-making required to be an elite QB these days are much more important than they were in the 1960s.
Good post, MIPacker.
I'm getting kind of tired of all of MP's good posts. Dude needs to take a break so the rest of us can stop feeling so dumb and lazy.
@DH13 posted:I'm getting kind of tired of all of MP's good posts. Dude needs to take a break so the rest of us can stop feeling so dumb and lazy.
Can you talk to my wife and kids for me?
Has anyone ever seen J Love?
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Favre and Rodgers had similar physical talent and were/are both arrogant. Arrogance is something you need as a QB or as a superstar talent in almost any sport (the NBA especially).
Favre was really the quintessential Oakland Raiders 1970s QB two decades later. He was a much better version of Ken Stabler (or Joe Namath for a slightly earlier era). Play hard, live hard, throw deep.
Even though I'm to young to have seen him play Favre was more like a modern day Bobby Layne. He played hard and lived fast. After the Lions traded Layne to the Steelers he said they would be losers for 40 years. Boy, was he right.
Instead of rolling eyes maybe you boogers could read some history.
@ammo posted:Even though I'm to young to have seen him play Favre was more like a modern day Bobby Layne. He played hard and lived fast. After the Lions traded Layne to the Steelers he said they would be losers for 40 years. Boy, was he right.
After passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, President Lyndon Johnson reportedly told an aide that they had lost the south for a generation.
Johnson and Layne both underestimated the situation.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Starr would have been even better these days as the timing, precision, and decision-making required to be an elite QB these days are much more important than they were in the 1960s.
I love Bart and think the world of him, but... I'm not sure his intellect would have been enough in today's game. His somewhat slow delivery and lack of a rocket arm could have been a problem in today's nfl. <ducks and runs away>
In the latest news a huge manhunt was launched today seeking to find someone going by the name, Tdog. It is unknown at this point if the name is an alias or his real name.
Tdog is right, and that is OK
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Tdog is right, and that is OK
I am too young to have ever watched Starr play live, so I don't have a sense for what his arm strength was. If his arm strength was an issue, who is a good current comparison for Starr in recent NFL history? Maybe Alex Smith (a 3X Pro-Bowler)? Rich Gannon (4X Pro-Bowler, 2X MVP). Drew Brees, even when younger, never was known for his arm strength.
The slow delivery is something I've never really considered.
Starr played when the game was different (not easier, don't make that mistake). at that time, he was the best there was. I just think he'd be to old to make a difference in todays game
“Jordan Love is putting in work while Aaron Rodgers is hosting a game show “ — future headline https://t.co/9MAAgkNKUd
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 6, 2021
Yeah, I think 12 has put more work in than Nub at this point, he good...
Yeah, because Rodgers really needs the work. That fucking goofy ball is such a dumb choad homer he should change his name to Finnlander.
That workout looks grueling. I'm sure there will be zero NFL defenders on his telegraphed passes to one receiver.
Moved from the Gary thread.
Will Gute listen to Pantera, or trade him in a couple of years?
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@Tschmack posted:If Buffalo can draft and develop a “project” like Josh Allen I’m pretty certain the Packers can do the same with Jordan Love. And everyone thought Josh Rosen was the better of the two Josh’s.
I mentioned in another thread but Josh Allen's development is going to create a whole lot of bad draft decisions. Allen was the unicorn that actually developed - a "traits" QB without much college success at a small program. He was drafted only because his tangible QB traits were ideal (size, athleticism, arm strength), not because of his on-field performance in college (his last year was pretty rough). And I think teams will use Allen as the "it worked in Buffalo, why not here?" rationale when taking traits' QBs high in the draft. Guess we'll see.
