@Pikes Peak posted:They have mortgaged their future. The Rams will be not be relevant ever again.
They are the NFC favorites as of now, after winning the last SB.
The cap hell stuff has always struck me as a little ridiculous. If anything it seems like a good strategy... maximize your potential when you're good, and then the descent into crapdom for 2-3 years rewards you with top draft picks and opens up your next window.
The part teams seem to forget a lot of the time is despite knowing they expect to lose, they go on to can their coaching staff for losing.
Some say Miami was stupid and racist for firing Flores for winning games. Really, they were just ahead of the curve.
The cap hell mantra is pure BS. We just saw first hand how a team can quickly fix that problem.
Cap Hell is a great narrative if you want to throw hate towards 12.
It's all his fucking fault.
@D J posted:Unpossible! I was told that the Rams who went all-in for 2021 were in cap hell after that.
The SB champs have made themselves better with several signings.
Meanwhile, we have the worst receiving corps in the NFL.
Green Bay has 11 draft picks in the upcoming draft, the most in the NFC.
Four of the picks are in rounds 1-2 and seven are in rounds 1-4.
The Rams have just 5 picks in the upcoming draft, none before round 3, and had no first round pick in 2019, 2020, and 2021.
The Rams have traded away high-end draft picks for players like no other NFL team in recent years.
The Rams have been to the SB twice over the past 4 seasons behind two different QBs. They are going all in to get back to the SB this season.
The team that has made the most player trades over the past decade went to 5 SBs and won 3 of them - the Patriots.
Meanwhile, the Packers, who last appeared in a SB twelve seasons ago, have not traded a round 1-5 pick for a current NFL player in decades. They used their round 1 and 4 picks in the 2020 draft on their QB of the future Jordan Love. As always, they have been accumulating draft picks to remain competitive in future seasons and they are well-positioned to compete for NFC North Division Titles for the next several years.
The formula of draft, develop, and never going all in to win a SB has been perfected in Green Bay and will, once again, be on full display during the 2022 season.
Assuming they do not hire you as president and CEO.
Fully guaranteed contracts will make draft locks even more valuable
New England traded a 3rd to Miami for WR Devante Parker. 😠 Thought he might be good addition for GB.
Quite a bit of handwringing about the Packers WR room....in April. Before the draft. And before June cuts. And before training camp. and before the season. But as a few on this board have stated, this is what Murphy said about the WR room:
"....but we have almost six months left before we play our first game. With four picks in the first two rounds, we have the draft capital to either trade for a veteran receiver or draft a top-quality receiver(s). I'm confident that our wide receiver room will look very different in September than it does now.
I'm sure the "Murphy is a clown" chorus (cueing that Steve guy) will jump to chime in, but he's exactly right.
It will look different, alright. Except this hasn’t been a great season for quality free agent receivers outside of Adams. There are some decent #2 options available, but there’s no clear #1 receiver left. We need one of those #2 options, and we’ll draft some receivers high in the draft, but the chances of one of them becoming a huge difference maker in 2022 is statistically not very good. But we don’t have a choice at this point. Let’s hope Gute can strike gold with at least two picks in this draft - true blue chippers.
Here's the "WR Room" of the 2018 SB winning Patriots:
- 13 Phillip Dorsett
- 11 Julian Edelman PR
- 15 Chris Hogan
- 84 Cordarrelle Patterson KR
- 18 Matthew Slater
And their 2016 "WR Room":
- 80 Danny Amendola PR
- 11 Julian Edelman
- 14 Michael Floyd
- 15 Chris Hogan
- 19 Malcolm Mitchell
- 18 Matthew Slater
And the "WR Room" of the SB winning Eagles in between the two Pats Championships:
And the 2014 Patriots:
- 80 Danny Amendola KR
- 82 Josh Boyce
- 11 Julian Edelman PR
- 19 Brandon LaFell
- 18 Matthew Slater
- 84 Brian Tyms
Plenty of other examples, I'm sure. Wait until the end of August to figure out if the Packers have addressed the loss of Adams adequately.
Right now New England probably has the tallest WR group since 2001. Won't end well.
@PackLandVA posted:Here's the "WR Room" of the 2018 SB winning Patriots:
And their 2016 "WR Room"
And the "WR Room" of the SB winning Eagles in between the two Pats Championships:
And the 2014 Patriots:
Plenty of other examples, I'm sure. Wait until the end of August to figure out if the Packers have addressed the loss of Adams adequately.
The packers don't have a superstar receiving TE like those teams did.
@Herschel posted:The packers don't have a superstar receiving TE like those teams did.
There's a reason part of the "deal" for Brady to go to the Bucs was that Gronk went too.
Here's our answer.
Ruckert's a good prospect, but there's nothing outstanding about him, imo. He doesn't have the big wingspan or quicks the best ones have, he's just a solid all-around prospect.
Punter Corey Bojorquez is a Brown, over/under on 1st missed FG?
”Laces out!“
@Herschel posted:The packers don't have a superstar receiving TE like those teams did.
If anything, it's not the fact that Gronk is a superstar receiving TE. It's that he's also one of the best blocking TEs in football.
https://thepewterplank.com/202...g-tight-end-debacle/
Having a guy like Gronk opens up the playbook more than any other offensive player you could have. The 2020-21 Packers had a TE that was almost as good a blocker as Gronk (M. Lewis) but at this stage of his career Lewis is almost no threat in the passing game - you might as well just consider him another OL. The Packers also had a TE that was probably 40-50% of Gronk in the passing game (Tonyan), but he had trouble blocking anyone. You probably could have lined up Lazard in that spot and gotten just as much out of the position. When you only have one TE in that game, it's a pretty simple thing for a defensive coordinator to key on which TE is in.
Gronk, Kelce, and Kittle are all elite blocking TEs in addition to being HOF-level receiving TEs. You can't alter your scheme based on which TE is in like you can with other teams.
I'd much rather get two TEs even at 75% of that level and run out pedestrian WRs than get above-average WRs and run out pedestrian TEs. Especially in the MLF system.
@PackLandVA posted:Here's the "WR Room" of the 2018 SB winning Patriots:
- 13 Phillip Dorsett
- 11 Julian Edelman PR
- 15 Chris Hogan
- 84 Cordarrelle Patterson KR
- 18 Matthew Slater
And their 2016 "WR Room":
- 80 Danny Amendola PR
- 11 Julian Edelman
- 14 Michael Floyd
- 15 Chris Hogan
- 19 Malcolm Mitchell
- 18 Matthew Slater
And the "WR Room" of the SB winning Eagles in between the two Pats Championships:
And the 2014 Patriots:
- 80 Danny Amendola KR
- 82 Josh Boyce
- 11 Julian Edelman PR
- 19 Brandon LaFell
- 18 Matthew Slater
- 84 Brian Tyms
Plenty of other examples ...
Plenty of other examples of what exactly?
In 2014, Julian Edelman missed 2 complete regular season games and parts of 2 others and still caught 92 passes for 972 yards.
In 2016, Edelman caught 98 passes for 1,106 yards in 16 regular season games.
In 2018, Edelman missed 4 regular season games, and still caught 74 passes for 850 yards.
Unless GB pulls off what would be, for the Packer organization, an unprecedented 21st century trade, the Julian Edelman who caught passes from Tom Brady (after training together for years) in 2014, 2016, and 2018 was a far superior WR option than what GB can hope to put on the field in 2022.
And as others have noted, the list above also conveniently ignores that Gronk was by far the best TE in the NFL when NE won those SBs (and that Eagles TE Zach Ertz who had 74 catches for 824 yards in 2017 was also an All-Pro the year Phllly won it).
I don't think using NE as a comp for really anything is a good idea. Who has replicated anything they've done with TB/BB?
I think TEs are a little overrated when AR12 is your QB. He never uses them as a security blanket preferring to go to a WR instead.
@Herschel posted:The packers don't have a superstar receiving TE like those teams did.
Edelman and Amendola were no slouches. I remember them being almost uncoverable at times. It was maddening. We don't have a guy - yet, that can come close to that production.
I will never understand the infatuation with NE and belicheat. They played in the worst division in the NFL and the AFC in general was garbage.
@Goalline posted:I think TEs are a little overrated when AR12 is your QB. He never uses them as a security blanket preferring to go to a WR instead.
2020 Robert Tonyan thinks that if there is a good TE on the roster, the TE will get targets
@GBFanForLife posted:I will never understand the infatuation with NE and belicheat. They played in the worst division in the NFL and the AFC in general was garbage.
It's still hard to pull off what they did. We reside in one of the worst NFC divisions, have been to the NFC championship twice with HFA and still couldn't even get to the SB.
Rodgers wanted HFA and failed. Then got Rewarded with a contract extension.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:2020 Robert Tonyan thinks that if there is a good TE on the roster, the TE will get targets
Not saying he wont use them, but he would rather go to a good WR as a security blanket. Good as he was, Tonyan was never a security blanket. Devante was that guy.
I guess I can justify using the best wide receiver in the game as a security blanket
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet:
Let's kick Danny Snyder around some more!
Sources appear to be dubious thus far, but, usually, where there's smoke, there's fire.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:I guess I can justify using the best wide receiver in the game as a security blanket
I think that is one of Arod’s great strengths. That he can throw to anyone anywhere. WRs are more explosive than TEs.
@Timmy! posted:Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet:
Let's kick Danny Snyder around some more!
Sources appear to be dubious thus far, but, usually, where there's smoke, there's fire.
First sentence was “Daniel Snyder is a life long Commanders fan.”
Say what?
What the hell is wrong with that lad?
Danny boy could have gotten his ass busted soliciting a sloppy beej in a strip mall parking lot, and he would have been fine.
But nope, he just had to stick his fingers in the pot.
Saints get two of the Iggles 1st Rounders (16 and 19) and a 6th Rounder.
Iggles get the Saints 1st Rounder (18) plus a 3rd and 7th, PLUS the Saints 1st next year and a 2nd the year after.
Wow.
I guess pushing one first rounder into next year isn't a horrible idea, but I would have preferred, if I we an Eagles fan, to go nuts this year.
I'm hoping this trade means all the big tall fat uncoordinated wide-butted untalented Packers-style overhyped WR busts2B are off the board fast.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:I guess pushing one first rounder into next year isn't a horrible idea, but I would have preferred, if I we an Eagles fan, to go nuts this year.
Maybe, but what if Hurts doesn't get better? Having two firsts in a better QB year makes some sense, I think.
Yeah, I think the Saints must like one of the QB's this year and the Eagles are planning on the possibility of moving on from Hurts next year.