2023 Non-Packers in season thread/trades/trx

@CUPackFan posted:

Carolina is a train wreck.  Traded away heir first this year to draft Bryce Young over CJ Stroud.  Plus, they miss out of Drake Maye or Caleb Williams this year.  I would feel bad for the team but story was that Tepper was heavily involved in trading up for Young.  When it's the owner's mistake, nothing you can really do.

Honestly what coach would want the Panthers job right now?  Even dumpster fires are looking at them and saying damn you are a shit show.

Reich will never be confused with Lombardi but to me you have to give the guy a realistic time to make it work. 

How many people actually want to coach that shit franchise with Tepper calling all the shots, especially the football shots. Tepper is the reason they drafted Bryce Young. I love it when owners think they know everything.

From a certain point of view:

The Panthers arguably traded Caleb Williams, DJ Moore, Jalen Carter, Tank Dell, and a 2025 2nd for the right to select Bryce Young over CJ Stroud

Shoutout David Tepper

— Davis Mattek (@DavisMattek) November 27, 2023

@The Heckler posted:

Honestly what coach would want the Panthers job right now?  Even dumpster fires are looking at them and saying damn you are a shit show.

Reich will never be confused with Lombardi but to me you have to give the guy a realistic time to make it work.

They're welcome to hire Joe Barry.

Reich has had an interesting coaching career - 2018 with Luck was good but then had Brissett, an aging Rivers, and a deteriorating Wentz from 2019-2021. Overall he had a decent first four years in Indy considering the QB situation after Luck abruptly retired in 2019.  2022 doesn't go well with Matt Ryan's corpse playing QB and he's fired after going 3-5-1 (which was odd).  Gets hired on in Carolina with almost no talent to speak of with a rookie QB and shocker, things don't go well and he's blamed.  Look at Carolina's roster and try to point out all the talent.  Outside of Brian Burns, there isn't much here. 

I don't think Reich is a great coach but he's probably average.  Not bad enough that he should have been fired at this point.  On the bright side - the dysfunctional Panthers are in the NFC, so one less team to have to worry about. 

How is their D looking?  Evero had the DEN D rolling last year.  Was hoping MLF would hire him instead of Barry.

@DH13 posted:

How is their D looking?  Evero had the DEN D rolling last year.  Was hoping MLF would hire him instead of Barry.

Well, turning to the latest stats, let's see what to make of them:

Yards allowed/TDs scored on the D:
Panthers: 7th, 33 TDs
Packers: 19th, 23 TDs

Passing defense (rank, yds/game, TDs allowed:
Panthers: 5th, 179 yds/game, 13 TDs
Packers: 10th, 205, 12

Rushing defense (rank, yds/game, TDs allowed:
Panthers: 24th, 129.4, 16
Packers: 29th, 135.2, 10

Scoring defense (rank, pts/game):
Panthers:  31st, 27.5
Packers: 10th, 20.4

Red zone (rank, % of TDs allowed):
Panthers: 31st, 70.6
Packers: 10th, 48.6

Third-down efficiency (rank, % success rate):
Panthers: 12th, 36.5%
Packers: 19th, 40%

Sacks (total):
Panthers: 18
Packers: 26

If the Panthers' defensive cupboard is really that bare, then hiring Evero would probably improve our D. GB has a lot more talant than Carolina. In fact, I think there are many defensive coordinators who would jump at the chance to be our next D coordinator.

@Fandame posted:

They drafted the boom-or-bust Young, and so far it has been major bust. Young looks totally in over his head. Yes, he's not getting much help but, wow, he hasn't played anything like in college. IDK, maybe Alabama is a better team than the Panthers...

They traded away his would-be best receiver in the process, which doesn’t help, either. The Texans also did a better job putting talent around Stroud.

@Fandame posted:

really that bare, then hiring Evero would probably improve our D. GB has a lot more talant than Carolina. In fact, I think there are many defensive coordinators who would jump at the chance to be our next D coordinator.

And CAR's O hasn't been doing their D any favors either.

Chase has interesting points of view from being a backup for so long. He has great enthusiasm and teaches something every time. This generation's Madden is a combination of him, O'Sullivan and whoever jumps in to chase their social media popularity. There's going to be a wave of QBs in the next couple years that were hungry kids and used all the YouTube QB channel's insights to accelerate the learning process.

@Boris posted:

How many people actually want to coach that shit franchise with Tepper calling all the shots, especially the football shots. Tepper is the reason they drafted Bryce Young. I love it when owners think they know everything.

From a certain point of view:

The Panthers arguably traded Caleb Williams, DJ Moore, Jalen Carter, Tank Dell, and a 2025 2nd for the right to select Bryce Young over CJ Stroud

Shoutout David Tepper

— Davis Mattek (@DavisMattek) November 27, 2023

Here comes the Rooney Rule hire and it will be detrimental to the spirit of the rule.  

Some obscure black assistant will take the job and of course will fail.   But hey, look, we hired a black guy!!   See how not racist we are that we hire a guy based on race when he stands no chance.    Winning.

@BrainDed posted:

Here comes the Rooney Rule hire and it will be detrimental to the spirit of the rule.  

Some obscure black assistant will take the job and of course will fail.   But hey, look, we hired a black guy!!   See how not racist we are that we hire a guy based on race when he stands no chance.    Winning.

Good thing they hired a qualified, well known white coach last time. Whatever happened to him?🤣

Race, race race. Boring fucking topic.

@Goalline posted:

Race, race race. Boring fucking topic.

Like Max Verstappen?

Race!!

@Boris posted:

Like Max Verstappen?

Race!!

Nothing is quite that boring.😅

At least they have chicanes, unlike Nascar.

@Fedya posted:

At least they have chicanes, unlike Nascar.

Watkins Glen says hello!

Can you imagine Tepper running a draft and develop team? "Ruining" would be a more appropriate choice of words. He has to be the guy in charge and it's his vision that gets followed. He said he needs to see progress. So, he dumps Reich. Who would want to run that mess in Carolina, now, or ever? I hope Tepper leaves Carolina and comes to the vikings.

These Billionaires come in, think they can throw a bunch of money at the problem at it's all magically fixed.

The owner of the Giants told him...."This ain't like your other businesses....this is different" To which of course Tepper just Pooh Pooh's.....like "I got this"

No pal......you really don't got this. His press conference ....he literally says "I'm patient" but he fires his HC after 11 games and before that gets rid of Ruhle who had a 6 year contract.

Keep going buddy! You got this!!!

Great discussion and profile of Tepper in The Ringer yesterday. Sounds like a guy who inspires the people who work for him.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/...d-tepper-bryce-young

It’s also probably worth noting that, while Tepper has made a lot of money by being patient, he is not exactly a stoic individual—this is the man who bought the Hamptons mansion of a Goldman executive who didn’t promote him, just to demolish it and build a new one. Tepper might have been denied that promotion because of his personality, which a 2010 New York magazine profile described as “loud and profane.” In that same piece, Tepper described his penchant for knee-jerkism when confronted with anything he doesn’t like: “If someone is an asshole,” he said, “like a waiter at a restaurant, I think, I could just buy this place and fire that guy.”

There's also this gem about Tepper. He ended up spending about 80-100 million to partially build a new Panthers training camp complex only to have it demolished before they ever spent a minute in it.

https://www.wcnc.com/article/s...db-9358-328191f09aa0

Went down this rabbit hole and can't stop laughing. It turns out Tepper's wife played a role in hiring Reich and evaluating their QB choice. This is his second wife who is bit younger than he is.

https://www.carolinacatchronic...-the-panthers-future

Throughout this offseason, Mrs. Tepper has shown her role and importance to the organization goes beyond the role of social outreach or her husband’s handler. She was part of the hiring committee that landed Frank Reich, and she has been front and center as Carolina has been scouting their next quarterback. Some scratched their heads at the notion of the owner's wife helping in a football hire. This line of thinking is more than dated in this case, however. She’s been an asset in Carolina’s decision-making this offseason. Without intimate knowledge of the hiring process or how much input she has given into who will be the next quarterback, she’s brought a fresh perspective and aided Tepper in making vital personnel decisions. Some may call it women’s intuition, but she had a good eye for talent. Moreover, she seems to understand people, which is part of the equation for successful football organizations.

Maybe she will be giving way to wife #3. 

The guys on SiriusXM Channel 88 were talking about this yesterday. They said they had never seen ANY owners at pro days or combine, except the Panthers. and obviously Teppers wife

That article refers to her as "not just a trophy wife." Two things become obvious: first, participation trophies are now branching out beyond kiddy sports and second, she must be a Saints' fan.

@mrtundra posted:

Can you imagine Tepper running a draft and develop team? "Ruining" would be a more appropriate choice of words. He has to be the guy in charge and it's his vision that gets followed. He said he needs to see progress. So, he dumps Reich. Who would want to run that mess in Carolina, now, or ever? I hope Tepper leaves Carolina and comes to the vikings.

Who is the next Johnny Manziel. BK, do they have homeless guys in Charlotte to help this mofo with his draft picks?

@MichiganPacker posted:

Went down this rabbit hole and can't stop laughing. It turns out Tepper's wife played a role in hiring Reich and evaluating their QB choice. This is his second wife who is bit younger than he is.

https://www.carolinacatchronic...-the-panthers-future

Throughout this offseason, Mrs. Tepper has shown her role and importance to the organization goes beyond the role of social outreach or her husband’s handler. She was part of the hiring committee that landed Frank Reich, and she has been front and center as Carolina has been scouting their next quarterback. Some scratched their heads at the notion of the owner's wife helping in a football hire. This line of thinking is more than dated in this case, however. She’s been an asset in Carolina’s decision-making this offseason. Without intimate knowledge of the hiring process or how much input she has given into who will be the next quarterback, she’s brought a fresh perspective and aided Tepper in making vital personnel decisions. Some may call it women’s intuition, but she had a good eye for talent. Moreover, she seems to understand people, which is part of the equation for successful football organizations.

Of course, a woman could do the job if she has the knowledge and experience. The question is, what experience other than being the owner's wife does Mrs. Tepper have? Whoever wrote this article seems to be giving her a lot of credit for knowledge; so, how knowledgeable about the QB position is she?

Don't think anyone was inferring the "woman" aspect....

I was talking about the meddling owner....

The other 30 owners know to leave the football decisions to football people. Then there is What Me Murphy....who is more worried about sledding hills and fans coming after him with pitchforks for trading Aaron Rodgers.

I'm just glad Carolina is in the NFC. You keep doing you Tepper

Kiel's wife married him for his money

Tepper's wife married him for his hair!

@Packiderm posted:

Watkins Glen says hello!

They should race up the gorge, even if it is a bit too narrow for passing.

She’s been an asset in Carolina’s decision-making this offseason. Without intimate knowledge of the hiring process or how much input she has given into who will be the next quarterback, she’s brought a fresh perspective and aided Tepper in making vital personnel decisions.

My first thought was about that Chicago GM talking about exploring every avenue to improve the team.

Had about the same amount of success, too.

@Boris posted:

I was talking about the meddling owner....

The other 30 owners know to leave the football decisions to football people.

Not sure Jerruh got that memo which is likely why the Cowboys haven’t won a SB in 25+ years.

Great Googly-Moogly

This is life imitating art, lol!

@Fedya posted:

They should race up the gorge, even if it is a bit too narrow for passing.

I’ve done that numerous times with my siblings and children. I always get passed - and lose!  🏎️ 🏃🏻‍♂️👨🏻‍🦯

Oh no, not the media invention "trap game" ....there is no such thing.

@Fedya posted:

They should race up the gorge, even if it is a bit too narrow for passing.

If NASCAR would go back to racing on the beach for Daytona I would watch.

Chiefs/Pats game on Monday Night Dec. 18 will be flexed to Sunday and replaced with Eagles vs. Seahawks.  Oh how Belicheat has fallen.

https://www.nfl.com/news/forme...-browns-it-s-not-lik

@MikeGarafolo:  The #Rams are signing veteran K Mason Crosby to their practice squad with the intention of moving him up to the active roster in the near future, source says. After 16 years kicking for the #Packers, the 39-year-old Crosby will suit up for his second NFL team.

@ammo posted:

Chiefs/Pats game on Monday Night Dec. 18 will be flexed to Sunday and replaced with Eagles vs. Seahawks.  Oh how Belicheat has fallen.

There is opinion that BB's intent is to get into position for a top QB next spring.