2023 Non-Packers Off Season Thread

@Boris posted:

Not really, maybe, if they SIGN him. I think he's simply Plan B for the Jets

Carr has some leverage in the sense that he won't cost them any picks, he's guaranteed to be around longer than a year, and he'll probably cost less than AR when all said and done.

I'm not sure he's a better option from a play perspective, but he may be from a long term building perspective.  If the Jets keep loading up that D, they don't need elite talent at the QB position.  Just someone who can actually pass a ball.

It comes down to the plan the GM/owner have for the team.  If either/both think they still need a long term QB to go with their young improving team then they can't sacrifice their RD1 pick for a guy who will be there 1-2 years.  If they think they are only one AR away from the bowl, they may have a different plan.

It all comes down to patience. If they can wait for a year or two for the talant to continue to improve so that the QB doesn't have to be super every week, they go Carr. If they are impatient and truly believe they can do it all and want it all now, they go all-in on Rodgers.

Rodgers is bigger splash than Carr, seems like Jets owner looking to win NOW.

The #Eagles have interviewed former Wisconsin defensive coordinator Jim Leonhard as they look to fill their DC job, per league source. Leonhard was a 10-year NFL safety who is respected in league circles.

— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) February 20, 2023

Pfffft... Who needs that guy when you have Barry?

Then Olsen will be gone.

We (they) have no idea how Tommy will do.

imho, brady does not have a good tv voice.  but I know that won't stop them from foisting him upon us

This can't possibly be true, can it? I mean everyone knows that Brady practically played for free so his teams could get any player they wanted.

https://www.espn.com/blog/tamp...sions-this-offseason

Free Agent Derek Carr visited the Jets over the weekend 👀 (via @NFLTotalAccess) pic.twitter.com/ZPaQwy5TLI

— NFL Network (@nflnetwork) February 21, 2023

Nathaniel "Tank" Dell 2022 Highlights

Replacement for Randall Cobb. It would be sad to see Randall go, but time marches on, and the team needs weapons on offense. Plus, he sure looks dynamic as a return specialist. Why not have two, with Keisean and Tank?

Speaking of Tank Dell and Houston, does anyone like QB Clayton Tune as a 4th - 6th round pick, if ARod leaves?

Jets told Derek Carr he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer if he came to New York? It’s officially lying season and there won’t be a bigger lie this year. Hall of Good — maybe.

— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) February 22, 2023

@Packmeister posted:

Nathaniel "Tank" Dell 2022 Highlights

Replacement for Randall Cobb. It would be sad to see Randall go, but time marches on, and the team needs weapons on offense. Plus, he sure looks dynamic as a return specialist. Why not have two, with Keisean and Tank?

He has "it" What round?

@michiganjoe posted:

Jets told Derek Carr he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer if he came to New York? It’s officially lying season and there won’t be a bigger lie this year. Hall of Good — maybe.

— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) February 22, 2023

I think the implication was if they win the SB with Carr he would be a HOF’er.  Not just by showing up.

@michiganjoe posted:

Jets told Derek Carr he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer if he came to New York? It’s officially lying season and there won’t be a bigger lie this year. Hall of Good — maybe.

— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) February 22, 2023

They should have an outbuilding in Canton called the Hall of Very Good for these types of guys. Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Jimmy G, and Dereck Carr could be first ballot guys.

Carr has a 63-79 career record with one playoff appearance. Nice recruiting pitch by the Jets, but it's ridiculous.

@MichiganPacker posted:

They should have an outbuilding in Canton called the Hall of Very Good for these types of guys. Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Jimmy G, and Dereck Carr could be first ballot guys.

Baseball should have three,

The Babe Ruth Top Floor.  Guys who we know are in the HOF

The Craig BIggio Hall of Very Good Floor.  Guys who, when  their names come up in conversation we need to check and see if they are in the HOF

The Pete Rose If Only  Basement.  Guys who we know should be in the HOF but…

@michiganjoe posted:

Carr has a 63-79 career record with one playoff appearance. Nice recruiting pitch by the Jets, but it's ridiculous.

He's not a star, but he's better than that record would indicate. The Raiders were dead last in advanced stats for both defense and special teams when he was there.

https://theathletic.com/404154...arr-herbert-mahomes/

Since drafting Carr in 2014, the Raiders rank 19th in expected points added (EPA) on offense while ranking 32nd in combined EPA on defense and special teams. That dead-last ranking in the components beyond Carr’s control — defense and special teams — invites an updated look at the “QB Betrayal Index” published before the season.

@MichiganPacker posted:

They should have an outbuilding in Canton called the Hall of Very Good for these types of guys. Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Jimmy G, and Dereck Carr could be first ballot guys.

For a career?  That's being a bit generous.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Baseball should have three,

The Babe Ruth Top Floor.  Guys who we know are in the HOF

The Craig BIggio Hall of Very Good Floor.  Guys who, when  their names come up in conversation we need to check and see if they are in the HOF

The Pete Rose If Only  Basement.  Guys who we know should be in the HOF but…

All the Halls should do stuff like this. It would generate a lot of converations and keep their sports' history in the news. You'd have to limit to to a top 25 or so.

Baseball Penthouse: Ruth, Aaron, Gehrig, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Williams, Young, Mattheson, W. Johnson, M. Rivera, Spahn, Pedro Martinez, etc.

Football: Montana, Rice, Brady, R. White, Lawrence Taylor, Deion, Mahomes,

Bill Simmons has what he calls "The Pantheon" for basketball in his book. Simmons can be annoying and has been coasting for about the last 10 years, but he's made some interesting points over the years. Here's his top 96 from 13 years ago.

https://www.basketball-referen...simmons_pyramid.html

He redid his top 10 recently and had this order.

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Bill Russell
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Steph Curry

Imagine the discussions about who to have in the top 25 players of all time? Is Giannis there yet? I'd say yes in that's he's better right now if he retired than Barkley or Karl Malone.

Where does Durant fit? Should Shaq be top 10.

For football, where does Rodgers fit? Is he top 25 all-time?

Baseball. Where does Mike Trout fit?

I read his book every year right between the Final Four and the start of the real basketball season, the NBA playoffs.   Gets me into NBA mode.  I do like his snark and also listen to his podcasts.

@DH13 posted:

For a career?  That's being a bit generous.

Not for a Hall of Very Good.

I don't think you ever looked at the 4 guys I mentioned and thought, "this guy sucks in a Brett Hundley sort of way" but no one is ever going to nominate them for the HOF (and they may not even make their teams HOF).

But all 4 have become obscenely wealthy for being very good, but not great.

720 million in earnings among the 4 of them.

Kirk Cousins (260 million), Ryan Tannehill (200 million), Jimmy G (125 million), and Derek Carr (135 million)

@Pikes Peak posted:

I read his book every year right between the Final Four and the start of the real basketball season, the NBA playoffs.   Gets me into NBA mode.  I do like his snark and also listen to his podcasts.

He was much better before he made big money. When he was just a guy with blog, he was very entertaining and worked hard at it.

Now, he's worth 100 million and mails it in even when he does do something.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/...r%20Dead%20%28Cap%29

Lots of good stuff here

@MichiganPacker posted:

Not for a Hall of Very Good.

I don't think you ever looked at the 4 guys I mentioned and thought, "this guy sucks in a Brett Hundley sort of way" but no one is ever going to nominate them for the HOF (and they may not even make their teams HOF).

But all 4 have become obscenely wealthy for being very good, but not great.

720 million in earnings among the 4 of them.

Kirk Cousins (260 million), Ryan Tannehill (200 million), Jimmy G (125 million), and Derek Carr (135 million)

If HOF is Excellent, and Very Good is the next tier down, I would not at this point consider any of the four you listed to have had a Very Good career.  Cousins is a push.

Maybe he just likes to interview, then say no.

Report: Jim Leonhard won’t be Eagles next defensive coordinator https://t.co/3djFyLai2b

— Bird Gang Live (@BirdGangLive) February 22, 2023

@packerboi posted:

Maybe he just likes to interview, then say no.

Comment I read this morning was that Leonhard was planning to take 2023 off, have hip surgery and rehab.

Philly was intriguing enough to have the interview. Last year Philly used Fangio as a consultant, I could see them doing a similar thing with Leonard

From what I read earlier today, Leonhard is supposed to have some kind of hip surgery soon and would not coach in 2023. But, the Eagles job sounded good so he looked into it. But afterward both sides agreed now was not the right time.

Edit, Satori beat me to it.

Ok, so that means after Barry is fired next year, Leonhard will be healed up and raring to go to be the next Packers DC.

Awesome!

@Packmeister posted:

Nathaniel "Tank" Dell 2022 Highlights

Replacement for Randall Cobb. It would be sad to see Randall go, but time marches on, and the team needs weapons on offense. Plus, he sure looks dynamic as a return specialist. Why not have two, with Keisean and Tank?

It was sad to see Cobb leave the first time. This time I’ll be doing somersaults.

While throwing out 2 or 3 discs in your back. 

@ammo posted:

While throwing out 2 or 3 discs in your back. 

Worth it!

Not sure if "The Dom" has become friends with Tom Bosley or Ron Popeil...

I swear Capers knows where some bodies are buried if he keeps getting jobs.  The only thing worse than he keeps getting jobs is what the F*** is up with his hair?

@The Heckler posted:

I swear Capers knows where some bodies are buried if he keeps getting jobs.  The only thing worse than he keeps getting jobs is what the F*** is up with his hair?

Goes to Mark Davis' stylist.

@YATittle posted:

Goes to Mark Davis' stylist.

More like Sy Sperling.

Really an interesting article at The Athletic ( paywall)on Rams/McVay

Talking about the devastation Sean McVay felt after winning a Super Bowl...and then going 5-12...the worst record by a defending SB Champ in history

https://theathletic.com/423824...es-rams-2022-season/

"...In November, McVay’s grandfather John died. The winner of five Super Bowls over two decades in San Francisco’s front office, John McVay’s professional excellence was often spoken in the same breath as the qualities his grandson also most admired: kindness, humanity and empathy, even under intense pressure.

As he worked through his grief, and the wreckage of his team’s season, McVay had to ask himself whether he truly shared those qualities.

“Instead of continuing to be this person that you think everybody wants you to be,” he wondered, “how can you be the person that you are — which is still good enough and will also probably elevate the people around you so much more?”

McVay started his head coaching career with a half-dozen different mantras and slogans written on the walls of the Rams’ practice facilities, but when things were at their worst, he didn’t believe any of them. They were just stacks of words, like all of his books.

For real answers, he admitted, he must keep looking inward — even if he doesn’t always like what he sees. He must let those around him help him instead of retreating from them.

He has nowhere left to fall. He must grow, or return to that low, hopeless place. He may as well begin a climb he is beginning to realize never ends, has no blueprint and can’t truly be validated by winning.

“How do I give myself and the people I’m around more grace to know that it really is about having a more full heart?”

He sounded hopeful, perhaps wholly aware of himself for the first time in years. Then the side he’s trying to take a little less seriously spoke up.

“And, oh, by the way, let’s go be great competitors and see what the hell happens.”