Good to see all the trolls back in form.
Youngest team in the league, still a work in progress. Get in the tournament and anything can happen.
We had this game, yes we had a mash unit playing defense, but so did lions, coaching matters in the end. They have meathead who got lucky with stupid aggressive playcalling and we have Marty Lefluer who is this generation of Marty schottenhiemer, good coach just not great and will not get you to the next level
@dajim@YooperPackfan posted:So, answer this, is it piss poor coaching or does Gute suck at drafting defense?
We have a GM who has done a really nice job finding talent on offense but continues to be not good enough in finding defensive talent. Very over-rated.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:They are missing 3 of their top 5 DBs, including a top 5 corner in football.
He's always hurt.
Here’s hope Hafassley gets that head coaching job next that some on here are predicting 
I'm not sure how anyone can think the Packers are a better team than the Lions right now. Can the Packers beat them on any given Sunday - sure. But the Lions just have more talent right now. They were missing so many players on defense and yet the Packers still had a struggle at times. If both teams are full strength, the Lions will win handily most of the time.
@MaximusHess posted:We had this game, yes we had a mash unit playing defense, but so did lions, coaching matters in the end. They have meathead who got lucky with stupid aggressive playcalling and we have Marty Lefluer who is this generation of Marty schottenhiemer, good coach just not great and will not get you to the next level
@YooperPackfan posted:Here’s hope Hafassley gets that head coaching job next that some on here are predicting
What would you have done differently? The other guys get paid too, and they are 12-1. He's missing 3 of his top 5 DBs, his second best LB, his DEs can't generate pressure consistently, and now that Van Ness is hurt and they traded Preston Smith, he's playing practice squad level guys at DE on the final drive.
The Lions had to convert 5 fourth downs to secure the win.
@titmfatied posted:
The whiskey is talking, I’m going to be embarrassed by what I posted, cheers,
@PackLandVA posted:I'm not sure how anyone can think the Packers are a better team than the Lions right now. Can the Packers beat them on any given Sunday - sure. But the Lions just have more talent right now. They were missing so many players on defense and yet the Packers still had a struggle at times. If both teams are full strength, the Lions will win handily most of the time.
You really believe that don't you....ok
Fuck you Alexander. Get the the fuck gone.
@ilcuqui posted:Good to see all the trolls back in form.
Youngest team in the league, still a work in progress. Get in the tournament and anything can happen.
I think Trolls may be a bit harsh. Lots of Superbowl talk here in the last year. The Lions were playing a bunch of backups and we still can't beat them. That said, we are a contender but may not be for much longer if we continue to let Gute draft on defense.
@Boris posted:You really believe that don't you....ok
How could anyone not believe that???
@PackLandVA posted:I'm not sure how anyone can think the Packers are a better team than the Lions right now. Can the Packers beat them on any given Sunday - sure. But the Lions just have more talent right now. They were missing so many players on defense and yet the Packers still had a struggle at times. If both teams are full strength, the Lions will win handily most of the time.
Aidan Hutchinson is a game changer, but other than that the Packers are missing almost as many starters on defense - Bullard, Williams, Cooper, Van Ness, and Alexander.
Alexander isn't at Hutchinson's level, but he would allow the Packers to play a completely different defense if he's there. Halfley had Eric Stokes, Ballentine, and Kalen King back there at the end.
@PackLandVA posted:I'm not sure how anyone can think the Packers are a better team than the Lions right now. Can the Packers beat them on any given Sunday - sure. But the Lions just have more talent right now.
They do. It's about how do you throw that equation into chaos and it's getting them to tilt instead of us. It's tactics over strategy and you have to get dirty and hope the refs call them more than us. They roll the dice while we play everything clean. You have to learn to play grimey.
Weird, we are 9-4, but only 1-3 in the division, that sucks
@MichiganPacker2 posted:The Lions won because the converted 5 of 6 4th downs, and, as well as Christian Watson played otherwise, he had two huge negative plays. The fumble was poor ball protection in a situation where he wasn't going to gain any extra yardage and the OPI was him not being smart enough to know how to execute the pick play without getting called for it - he threw his shoulder into Joseph.
The Lions won mostly because they're a better team.
As far as the Watson play, those picks happen all the time, and the line between legal and illegal is razor thin. But suppose no flag no flag is thrown. Do you really think the Lions don't score a TD given they had 3 TOs, 4 1/2 minutes to play, and would've gone for, and most likely converted any fourth down?
I also think it's comical how so many people (not you) think Goff is some pedestrian QB that is a system QB. That guy is a winner. He was in LA and he IS in Detroit. His stats are pretty fucking tremendous and he rarely makes mistakes.
@PackLandVA posted:The Lions won mostly because they're a better team.
As far as the Watson play, those picks happen all the time, and the line between legal and illegal is razor thin. But suppose no flag no flag is thrown. Do you really think the Lions don't score a TD given they had 3 TOs, 4 1/2 minutes to play, and would've gone for, and most likely converted any fourth down?
I also think it's comical how so many people (not you) think Goff is some pedestrian QB that is a system QB. That guy is a winner. He was in LA and he IS in Detroit. His stats are pretty fucking tremendous and he rarely makes mistakes.
Goff is Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith, Jimmy G, etc. He's generally not going to lose the game for you. But there is a reason LA wanted Stafford instead of him. Goff is smart and sound, but if you get pressure on him, he can't make the off-platform throws you need to win deep in the playoffs.
In the second half of this game, which QB was better? It was Love and it wasn't even close.
Goff has the best OL in football. Not every QB is good enough to take advantage of that, Goff is. But I'd rather have Jordan Love and about 10 other QBs than Goff.
Christian Watson fumble - 3 points
Christian Watson offensive pass interference may have prevented a TD on that drive
just sayin….
@13X posted:I think Trolls may be a bit harsh. Lots of Superbowl talk here in the last year. The Lions were playing a bunch of backups and we still can't beat them. That said, we are a contender but may not be for much longer if we continue to let Gute draft on defense.
Sometimes the best team in the league is in your division. We're not bad, the Lions are better. It happens.
@ZUF posted:Christian Watson fumble - 3 points
Christian Watson offensive pass interference may have prevented a TD on that drive
just sayin….
He seems like a decent kid that plays hard and is a willing blocker.
I'm guessing he's not the brightest bulb though. Jumping the air like he did on the fumble made no sense. There was no reward for doing so.
The OPI was a guy not knowing how to run that route. Every team runs that play, but the WR doesn't lower his shoulder like he's a pulling guard.
@titmfatied posted:Sometimes the best team in the league is in your division. We're not bad, the Lions are better. It happens.
And it's not like the Packers won't have a chance to win if they meet in the playoffs. The Lions aren't that much better.
@Boris posted:You really believe that don't you....ok
Yes - I do. They have 18 players on IR. Their front 7 completely dominated the Packers healthy O-line in the first half. They're missing their starting LT and still managed to keep Goff clean. They are traditionally a shitty organization, at least in the last 50 years. But they are a solid team and solid organization right now.
Tell me where the Packers are more talented. Maybe QB? If so, is based on talent and not results.
WR - no.
RB - no. JJ is great, but DET has a great one-two combo
TE - no.
O-line - no.
DL/DE - no.
LBs- no.
DBs - JA is great when he's healthy. And McKinney is a stud. But DET has a pretty solid secondary as well.
I would definitely take DET's healthy roster right now (not projecting the future) over GBs.
Goff is 7-3 vs the Packers. Scheme isn't working. They have that buttoned up. It's tactics or get used to more of the same.
@PackLandVA posted:I would definitely take DET's healthy roster right now (not projecting the future) over GBs.
Good! You do that....let's see if you win a Super Bowl.
Need any links for Lions fans forums?
@PackLandVA posted:I would definitely take DET's healthy roster right now (not projecting the future) over GBs.
They live and die with their Oline. It's the best hand to gamble with. Making up for that advantage means taking risks in areas that aren't advantageous.
@Boris posted:Good! You do that....let's see if you win a Super Bowl.
Need any links for Lions fans forums?
Oh c'mon now, lighten up. Link to a Lion's Forum, seriously?!?! I've been coming here for almost 25 years. I'm no fairweather fan. Shitty to even post that.
The only thing I'd take from the Lions is their O-Line & RB's. (Especially Gibbs, he's special) You can have everything else.
How much do the Lions win by if Love is their QB?? 10-17.....pretty easy & Love wouldn't have thrown that pick.
The Lions are NOT head shoulders better than the Packers. Not even close, IDGAF what the scoreboard says.
@MaximusHess posted:The whiskey is talking, I’m going to be embarrassed by what I posted, cheers,
Me too. Game threads don't count after the hangover fades
@Boris posted:Good! You do that....let's see if you win a Super Bowl.
You think the Packers this year with their current roster??
Any tell me which positions/units the Packers have that are clearly better than the Lions right now.
@Boris posted:The only thing I'd take from the Lions is their O-Line & RB's. (Especially Gibbs, he's special) You can have everything else.
How much do the Lions win by if Love is their QB?? 10-17.....pretty easy & Love wouldn't have thrown that pick.
The Lions are NOT head shoulders better than the Packers. Not even close, IDGAF what the scoreboard says.
Yes they are much better. They were missing half their defense and we only had a chance late because meatheads will be meatheads.
@PackLandVA posted:Oh c'mon now, lighten up. Link to a Lion's Forum, seriously?!?! I've been coming here for almost 25 years. I'm no fairweather fan. Shitty to even post that.
Alright....apologies on that 😜 but the Packers are not as bad as you posted either.
So they're not going to win the division this year. Oh well. Lose on a last second FG and the Lions were terrified of Love having a shot with 1 minutes left. Their vaunted defense gave up 31 to the Pack.....and psssttt....know what? The Pack didn't play their best game either.
The Lions turn is coming.....I can't wait to see it
Keep going for it on 4th down meathead!
@Boris posted:The only thing I'd take from the Lions is their O-Line & RB's. (Especially Gibbs, he's special) You can have everything else.
The Lions Dline with Hutch, Reader, McNiell, Onwuzurike, and their backups are way better than what the Packers have. I'll take the LB crew as well, when healthy.
@Boris posted:Alright....apologies on that 😜 but the Packers are not as bad as you posted either.
I don't know where you're reading I said the Packers are bad. Like Tit said, I just think right now the Lions are a better team.
-edit- And if the Lions were healthy, I think they'd win pretty easily most of the time. As I said on page 1, I didn''t think they would be able to stop the Lions' offense.
We scored 31. The problem wasn't scoring on their defense it was stopping their offense. If they're running the field consistently you may as well blitz every down and make something happen or give the ball back to your offense quickly.
@titmfatied posted:We scored 31. The problem wasn't scoring on their defense it was stopping their offense. If they're running the field consistently you may as well blitz every down and make something happen or give the ball back to your offense quickly.
Exactly. And this compounds at the end of the game.
In my mind, who is missing/who is playing the DB positions is irrelevant.
Until the Packers DL can beat the Loins OL, the results won't change.
The same exists for the Packers OL.
Until they can stand up against opposing pass rushes, they will struggle.
Love is under pressure way more often than not.
That they manage to score enough points to contend (and win) games shows what they are capable of. They're just not capable consistently.
@PackLandVA posted:. As I said on page 1, I didn''t think they would be able to stop the Lions' offense.
I didn't think the Lion O-Line would be allowed to hold as much as they did either.
@PackLandVA posted:The Lions Dline with Hutch,
Whoooo?!??!
Ohhh right the guy with a broken leg.
Yeah.....he didn't play tonight - we're talking about players actually playing THIS year.
It didn't work out tonight but some of the posts here are really way over the top negative.
The Packers are 9-4 and 2 teams just played one of the better Thursday Night games you'll see.
When the post season starts....everyone is 0-0. Hopefully the shitty Packers have enough to get in this year. From what I'm reading tonight it sounds like they should just fold up shop and start fresh in 2025