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@justanotherpackerfan posted:I’ll at least be honest. I’m 112 years old and live in an antiseptic bubble.
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New Rodgers Artcle at the Athletic
This is going to be a big driver of discussion for the next few days. Lots of new quotes from Rodgers about his departure from Green Bay.
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According to a source associated with the team who was granted anonymity to candidly discuss the sensitive dynamics between the front office and the star quarterback, early in the 2021 offseason, Dunn, Rodgers’ agent, called Packers president Mark Murphy with a request: Fire Gutekunst or trade Rodgers. Murphy did neither. Months later, news broke that Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay, but the Packers held firm.
When asked about the demand last week, Rodgers deferred to Dunn, who did not reply to The Athletic’s request for comment.
That's something that AR had previously denied occurred.
The Murphy three silos organization structure contributed to this as well. Russ Ball was massaging his ego while Gutey was telling him something else? Why was Russ Ball even talking to Rodgers? He's supposed to be the dispassionate bean counter.
I think it's probably just Rodgers taking a shot at Gutey by basically saying Ball should have been the GM.
From the athletic.com article.
The Packers believed privately that both parties had moved past the conflict, but Rodgers felt like executive VP and director of football operations Russ Ball, who manages the team’s salary cap, was the only member of the front office who took the message to heart.
“I mean, Russ definitely made an effort to be more seen, to be a better communicator, to be around more, to interact with the guys more, and I really appreciated his effort to grow and to listen to some of the things I was saying and try and make the culture and the place a better environment,” Rodgers said. “I thought Russ, more than anybody, really showed that he cared and showed a lot of personal growth, and I give him credit for that.”
Good God, I’m tired of this guy.
I hope we trade him.
Gute may end up being a failure, he's obviously not perfect, but I give the guy credit for having the nuts to rid this organization of such a whiney baby. Probably did the next GM and coach a huge favor. 2 GMs, 2 HCs, 4 or 5 defensive coordinators, all pro players, pro bowl players, but 1 constant through the last 14 years informing the culture. We spend time arguing about signing free agents and who to draft and who should be coaching as if 1 players or 1 coach is going to change everything, but maybe the culture emanating from the greatest player in franchise history
was as much to blame for lack of championships as coaching incompetence or lack of talent. Brady and Manning won more with equal or less.
Come back to have your number retired, your name in the ring of honor, and then appear about as often as your predecessor...which is to say hardly ever.
@Grave Digger posted:Gute may end up being a failure, he's obviously not perfect, but I give the guy credit for having the nuts to rid this organization of such a whiney baby. Probably did the next GM and coach a huge favor. 2 GMs, 2 HCs, 4 or 5 defensive coordinators, all pro players, pro bowl players, but 1 constant through the last 14 years informing the culture. We spend time arguing about signing free agents and who to draft and who should be coaching as if 1 players or 1 coach is going to change everything, but maybe the culture emanating from the greatest player in franchise history
Come back to have your number retired, your name in the ring of honor, and then appear about as often as your predecessor...which is to say hardly ever.
I applaud Gute for having grown a pair to make that move happen. Sure he may be a failure down the road (I think all GMs have a shelf life in an organization) but he did what he felt was best for the team and that is what I want in a GM. I don't want a guy who allows the players to run the show.
As for AR himself, I will openly admit he was my all time favorite Packer and its not even close. Now? well he is no longer a Packer so its simple I no longer root for him. I don't hate the guy but he is no longer my team's QB.
Now my only rooting interest is to see his team have a crappy year with him playing 65% of the snaps.
And yes I am that old fart that says I root for the name on the front of the jersey not on the back.
@michiganjoe posted:According to a source associated with the team who was granted anonymity to candidly discuss the sensitive dynamics between the front office and the star quarterback, early in the 2021 offseason, Dunn, Rodgers’ agent, called Packers president Mark Murphy with a request: Fire Gutekunst or trade Rodgers. Murphy did neither. Months later, news broke that Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay, but the Packers held firm.
When asked about the demand last week, Rodgers deferred to Dunn, who did not reply to The Athletic’s request for comment.
That's something that AR had previously denied occurred.
Well, he's a pathological liar, so not exactly shocking.
It’s just so unnecessary. I guess his “But he didn’t Facetime me!” excuse didn’t get the reaction he hoped for, so now he has to take open shots to try and make Gute look bad when the rest of the world has already moved on.
FFS, all the guy has to do is keep his trap shut and most of Packerland will still hold a positive view of him. But I guess we have all learned over the past couple years that Rodgers will make a point to get his truth out there for better or (often) worse when just keeping quiet would be so much better.
I was wishing the best for him, but now I’m starting to hope he sticks his Covid Toe in his mouth first chance things turn sour in paradise.
@Grave Digger posted:Gute may end up being a failure, he's obviously not perfect, but I give the guy credit for having the nuts to rid this organization of such a whiney baby. Probably did the next GM and coach a huge favor. 2 GMs, 2 HCs, 4 or 5 defensive coordinators, all pro players, pro bowl players, but 1 constant through the last 14 years informing the culture. We spend time arguing about signing free agents and who to draft and who should be coaching as if 1 players or 1 coach is going to change everything, but maybe the culture emanating from the greatest player in franchise history
Come back to have your number retired, your name in the ring of honor, and then appear about as often as your predecessor...which is to say hardly ever.
Despite having 30 years of HOF QBing, the Packers won 2 titles. Not terrible, but you still have to say it's underachieving. You can debate about the GMs and the draft choices, and the special teams failures, etc. One underlying problem was that neither Favre nor Rodgers were leader types. Your best player doesn't have to be a rah-rah type, but he does have to set an example. Favre prioritized partying and womanizing. Rodgers was more of the emo kid from high school who was just weird. He did what he needed to do, but he didn't do anything extra (like show up at OTAs).
It probably isn't an accident that the years they won titles, that their QBs may not have been their best players. At the very least, Reggie White and Charles Woodson were on the same level as Favre and Rodgers in terms of talent (and LeRoy Butler was obviously up there too). Those were the guys that set the tone. And they had the gravitas to do it as first-ballot HOFers themselves. Marcedes Lewis was probably that type of guy, but it's a lot different when the example is being set by the greatest DE ever (or a top 10 DB ever).
@The Heckler posted:I applaud Gute for having grown a pair to make that move happen. Sure he may be a failure down the road (I think all GMs have a shelf life in an organization) but he did what he felt was best for the team and that is what I want in a GM. I don't want a guy who allows the players to run the show.
As for AR himself, I will openly admit he was my all time favorite Packer and its not even close. Now? well he is no longer a Packer so its simple I no longer root for him. I don't hate the guy but he is no longer my team's QB.
Now my only rooting interest is to see his team have a crappy year with him playing 65% of the snaps.
And yes I am that old fart that says I root for the name on the front of the jersey not on the back.
I think it’s separating the player from the person. I would say we all unanimously love Aaron Rodgers, former QB of the GBP, 4 time MVP, SB MVP, blah blah blah. But Aaron Rodgers from Chico, CA? Huge douche and I’m glad he’s not part of our organization any longer. Same with Brett Favre. He’s a horrible person and I would never root for his success, but GBP QB Brett Favre’s highlights are so fun I could watch them all day.
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Well said.
Just got me to thinking about some of the other all time greats. Taking public shots at teammates/the organization? Didn’t happen much.
Brady - only internal controversy really was forcing his TB12 guru into the Patriots’ facility
Peyton - none save calling out his drunk kicker
Brees - ?
Mahomes - a model citizen
All these dudes have massive egos, tbs, but seemingly knew/know how to check it at the door.
Rodgers is very much like Russ Wilson, on reflection, in love with social media and banging around there, me me me in and out of the locker room.
Also this..
I’d love somebody to ask Rodgers about his three abysmal performances against Tampa Bay in 2020, San Francisco in 2021, and Detroit last January. He never had to answer for those choke jobs because the post-game narratives were always about his future.
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) May 31, 2023
@MichiganPacker posted:Rodgers said. “I thought Russ, more than anybody, really showed that he cared and showed a lot of personal growth, and I give him credit for that.”
Rodgers has said a lot of obnoxious things, but this may be the worst. Saying that one of his bosses showed a lot of personal growth? What an arrogant prick.
@Dr._Bob posted:Rodgers has said a lot of obnoxious things, but this may be the worst. Saying that one of his bosses showed a lot of personal growth? What an arrogant prick.
Agreed. I thought it was funny how he was complementing a 63 year old guy old enough to be his father on his "personal growth."
@Dr._Bob posted:Rodgers has said a lot of obnoxious things, but this may be the worst. Saying that one of his bosses showed a lot of personal growth? What an arrogant prick.
And yet so par for the course with him.
Also Rodgers just put a target on the back of Russ Ball. LaFleur got a shot, Murphy got a shot, Gute took the brunt of the heat, but Russ actually got complemented…the only one to kiss his ass and mean it. Of the 4 key leadership personnel, he’s the odd man out.
Can we also take a moment and recognize for the second time in 15 years Mark Murphy has overseen a contentious separation from a franchise QB and each time has allowed his GM, his direct subordinate, to take almost 100% of the public criticism. The talk shows, the articles, social media, even shots from the QB directly. Not a peep, didn’t step in and shoulder any blame. Like a real leader…
I know as a 67 year old grandfather how awesome it is to hear a mid to late 30 year old know it all tell me how they are encouraged by my recent personal growth. So refreshing...
Murphy's retirement can't come soon enough. And not unlike AR, once that happens, I believe a collective breath of fresh air flows through 1265.
Wolf was a football guy, made football decisions, Harlan was a kind public face that made those decisions make sense to fans. Murphy has forced two football guys to explain two very difficult football decisions to the public and their instinct is to use subterfuge and deflect, making those decisions not make clear sense. By decisions I mean drafting replacement QBs and then letting the relationship with the franchise QB implode. Murphy should have been out front of those decisions with the fans and with the QBs. The business stuff would have happened with any President, to me that’s his legacy.
You might want to get that growth checked by a doctor.
Bert's acrimonious exit was bittersweet for me, mostly because he was the constant during the only stretch of sustained success I'd ever gotten to witness. For the many of us too young to appreciate the glory years, he was the guy you could always count on to show up, play hard and give you a chance. So even after his abysmal performance at home vs the Giants, having been through the annual will he or won't he, I was still apprehensive about moving on to the next starter. Not only would he be gone, but he torched the organization in all his vindictiveness. Shitty thing after so many years as the guy. Shitty thing to do to a young kid who was your backup.
After watching two hof careers in a row, I'd take Rodgers in a heartbeat over Brett. In his prime and at his best, Rodgers is the better qb. And thirty years of such high level play is still hard to comprehend as a fan, but I've enjoyed and appreciated the hell out of it throughout, even in down years. I wouldn't trade with any fanbase.
But I haven't for one moment felt the angst or consternation about moving on from 12. Looking back, the Tampa game was really the writing on the wall. But all last season, culminating with a horrible home loss to knock themselves out of the postseason, was more than enough for me. I'm glad he's gone. I'm glad he gets a fresh start. I'm glad JLove is getting his opportunity. As much as 30 years was packed with memories, we are getting what we've missed out on all that time....the unknown possibility of a young kid to make of it what he will. I hope the entire roster has a chip on their shoulder. I hope they want to prove everyone wrong. I look forward to uncharted waters as opposed to 12-13 wins followed by the inevitable thud. And even if they fall on their ass, the silver lining is WMM is that much closer to being gone. Change will be happening for the organization regardless.
@Grave Digger posted:We spend time arguing about signing free agents and who to draft and who should be coaching as if 1 players or 1 coach is going to change everything, but maybe the culture emanating from the greatest player in franchise history
Ketchman alluded to this without explicitly saying it several times during the last season he was writing his blog. He thought AR was the most "talented thrower of the football" he'd ever covered as a writer, but he had his doubts about his leadership qualities.
@Grave Digger posted:Also Rodgers just put a target on the back of Russ Ball. LaFleur got a shot, Murphy got a shot, Gute took the brunt of the heat, but Russ actually got complemented…the only one to kiss his ass and mean it. Of the 4 key leadership personnel, he’s the odd man out
Of course Ball kissed his ass. His job is to get the best contract for the packers. Making Rodgers feel “special” makes that a lot easier when he’s the one doing the negotiating. As smart as Rodgers is I’m surprised he fell for it.
Yeah I definitely felt more sad about losing Favre. His emotional highs were so much higher as a player than Rodgers, but his lows were so much lower. Rodgers was frustrating in a different way. I think people can be unfair to Rodgers legacy, but in reality he set a bar for QB play that probably will never be topped. Mahomes is the current flavor, rightfully so he’s insane, but he doesn’t do anything Rodgers ever did and in fact I think there’s less nuance and artistry to his game than prime Rodgers. Same with prime Manning, Brady, Favre, Marino, etc. That’s the frustrating part is that he could literally do anything at QB, literally anything, and the only thing that has held him back seems to be attitude and personality. Put Manning’s work ethic, with Brady’s personality in Rodgers football IQ and talent and there’s a QB that absolutely cannot be stopped.
A good comment on this from Reddit:
“There's a part in here I don't understand. Rodgers says "Did Brian text me more than I texted him? Yeah." But then goes on to say "You (meaning Gute) didn’t like the fact that we didn’t communicate all the time. Like, listen, I talk to the people that I like.”
Wasn't part of Aaron's request they communicate with him more? And then he admits they tried but he then admits he didn't want to talk to Gute because he didn't like him?
None of this adds up from Rodgers perspective.”
As usual Rodgers is trying to have it both ways.
Rodgers compliments Russ Ball while he's in the middle of renegotiating his contract with the Jets. That's interesting. Or maybe not... just glad it doesn't affect the future of our favorite football team one way or the other.
Got a Ryan Longwell easter egg in this one 
I don't blame any Jets fan for being excited with what they've rolled out at QB for seemingly forever, but it's funny watching 8 get almost every benefit of the doubt from them. I'm wondering how long 8 can keep that new love energy with his new team. Very possibly could keep it all the way through to his retirement if things go well.
Some remarkable twisting of logic from Jim Rome today; it's not 8's fault we're all talking about this again today...
@titmfatied posted:I don't blame any Jets fan for being excited with what they've rolled out at QB for seemingly forever, but it's funny watching 8 get almost every benefit of the doubt from them. I'm wondering how long 8 can keep that new love energy with his new team. Very possibly could keep it all the way through to his retirement if things go well.
Just wait until the J-E-T-S lose their first game. Rodgers and the tabloids/sports talkers will be 🍿
And any losing streak? 🥂
@MichiganPacker posted:The Murphy three silos organization structure contributed to this as well. Russ Ball was massaging his ego while Gutey was telling him something else? Why was Russ Ball even talking to Rodgers? He's supposed to be the dispassionate bean counter.
I think it's probably just Rodgers taking a shot at Gutey by basically saying Ball should have been the GM.
From the athletic.com article.
The Packers believed privately that both parties had moved past the conflict, but Rodgers felt like executive VP and director of football operations Russ Ball, who manages the team’s salary cap, was the only member of the front office who took the message to heart.
“I mean, Russ definitely made an effort to be more seen, to be a better communicator, to be around more, to interact with the guys more, and I really appreciated his effort to grow and to listen to some of the things I was saying and try and make the culture and the place a better environment,” Rodgers said. “I thought Russ, more than anybody, really showed that he cared and showed a lot of personal growth, and I give him credit for that.”
He thought Russ "showed a lot of personal growth"??? Who the fuck does he think he is, judging the personal growth of office personnel? Every day this guy shows himself to be a bigger asshole than I thought he was. I also loved the part where he sympathizes with Love for backing up a "future hall of famer" and declares himself the best player in franchise history. Humble is obviously not a word that should ever be associated with him. I hope he takes 65.00001 percent of the Jets' snaps and promptly gets crushed on a safety blitz from Micah Hyde.
My favorite was Bart Starr - I know, showing my age. But unlike Favre or Rodgers; he didn't try playing GM, didn't think he had to be in on football discussions, and he was nice to everyone thru the end of his career. As a player he won 5 NFL titles, and the first 2 SBs. Hard to beat that - just ask Favre & Rodgers - unless they want to blame someone or something else.
@vitaflo posted:A good comment on this from Reddit:
“There's a part in here I don't understand. Rodgers says "Did Brian text me more than I texted him? Yeah." But then goes on to say "You (meaning Gute) didn’t like the fact that we didn’t communicate all the time. Like, listen, I talk to the people that I like.”
Wasn't part of Aaron's request they communicate with him more? And then he admits they tried but he then admits he didn't want to talk to Gute because he didn't like him?
None of this adds up from Rodgers perspective.”As usual Rodgers is trying to have it both ways.
That’s because it had nothing to do with communication and everything to do with control. Letting Rodgers decide who stays on the roster and who goes is a bit like allowing Brian Gutekunst to take some snaps behind center. Then again, I’m guessing Gutey also comes to own the Bears.
Here is the only way to get rid of Aaron Rodgers:
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@Ghost of Lambeau posted:My favorite was Bart Starr - I know, showing my age. But unlike Favre or Rodgers; he didn't try playing GM, didn't think he had to be in on football discussions, and he was nice to everyone thru the end of his career. As a player he won 5 NFL titles, and the first 2 SBs. Hard to beat that - just ask Favre & Rodgers - unless they want to blame someone or something else.
It is said that QBs get too much of a blame and too much credit for the team’s success. I disagree! Those fuckers have that ball on half the snaps. The one who recognizes the team concept and helps the TEAM, wins. Fuck MVPs. It is a contrived award. Rodgers won that Super Bowl and it became about him. I’ve been pissed at this guy since 2018 for his lack of leadership and lack of teamwork. Welcome to the club, guys.