@PackerRick posted:

Rodgers had a QBR of 41 last season, by far his worst. His first year as a starter it was 63. Prior to 2022 he only had 2 seasons below 60. He was clearly on the decline.

That's why the injury really hurt the Packers because I think the Jets would have been picking about #20. So the injury costs the Packers about 15-20 positions in the draft.

Guessing Rodgers would've faired better than a QBR of 41 if he had Garret Wilson and Allen Lazard instead of Allen Lazard and Romoeo DOubs/Christian Watson.

@PackLandVA posted:

Guessing Rodgers would've faired better than a QBR of 41 if he had Garret Wilson and Allen Lazard instead of Allen Lazard and Romoeo DOubs/Christian Watson.

Probably so but his MVP years were 84,78,80,and 69. Those numbers are a long ways from 41.

Aaron’s Entourage

Is it within the realm of possibility that Gute did hear Rodgers personnel suggestions, understood how bad they were and that’s why Rodgers wasn’t given any “input” like other QBs get? 🤣 Rodgers the GM isn’t great when Rodgers the QB isn’t there to bail him out.

@YATittle posted:

"Jim Brady" whoever the eff that is ...doesn't get it.....the Jets will not be dictating terms to AR8 unless they want to eat about $63-$100 million in dead money in 2024....and of course flush another season down the crapper.

Have a nice dinner at Rao's....Aaron

From @NFLGameDay: The Aaron Rodgers watch is on. pic.twitter.com/59uFtH4FQg

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 26, 2023

Remain a skeptic.

Me, watching all the Jets/Rodgers/Lazard/Cobb/Wilson/Boyle drama:

Jets QB Aaron Rodgers could return to Lambeau Field in 2024

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl...6&mb_loc=right_h

the jets have the opportunity to do the funniest thing imaginable https://t.co/rjsog9SLTe

— zach jacobson (@itszacharyj) November 26, 2023

The Jets better draft a QB anyway. Wouldn't have to be in round one but the draft is quite deep in QBs. Too bad they don't have a 2nd round pick to spend on a QB. LOL.

@PackerRick posted:

The Jets better draft a QB anyway. Wouldn't have to be in round one but the draft is quite deep in QBs. Too bad they don't have a 2nd round pick to spend on a QB. LOL.

Jets need an LT, especially if they don't pick up Bakh

Maybe especially if they DO pick up Bakh.

They wouldn't take a QB in round 1 but round 2 would have been ideal to find a decent QB and groom him under Rodgers for a season. I doubt Wilson will ever be successful in NY and needs a change of scenery after this season.

By change of scenery you mean career right?

This article is from last off-season. The problem with the Jets is and always will be the owner. The best is Rodgers might still advocate for Zach after the season and we get to do this all over again next year. Can't happen to a better fan base. They were remarkably obnoxious last off season

He goes to the "Pool of Hell for NFL QBs" and floats around in the bubbles until some team finds a need to sign him in a back-up role.
He'll have plenty of company, as always.

Carr, Minshew, Brissett, Mayfield, Zappe, etc.
Also joining soon: Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Desmond Ridder, Jimmy G...

So here's the thing: a 🧵🧵🧵

"Normal" Achilles repairs aren't anywhere close right now at 3 months

This player isn't operating under normal circumstances

Let me tell you why: https://t.co/khFEq5XKCU

— Aaron Borgmann (@RehabAllStar) November 26, 2023

I don't think there's any doubt....Rodgers "likes" Zach Wilson.

1. Zach is Z-E-R-O threat to Rodgers job
2. Rodgers continues mentoring their #2 overall pick so they show fans they didn't fuck up by drafting him so high.
3. Rodgers has all the leverage in 2024
4. Jets are screwed...Vaughn..you're screwed.

From the thread above....an AFO is.....

https://poibelieve.com/ankle-f...itial-wear-schedule/

Why do I believe this is coming out right now, today during football Sunday to take heat off his boys NatHack, Lazard, Cobb.... etc.?

In that clip he looks to be walking a bit stiff and uncomfortable.

Read the thread.....That guy is obviously a rehab tech and said no flexion in the plantar. That's most likely a problem for playing football. One thing you need to be is.....

@Grave Digger posted:

Is it within the realm of possibility that Gute did hear Rodgers personnel suggestions, understood how bad they were and that’s why Rodgers wasn’t given any “input” like other QBs get? 🤣 Rodgers the GM isn’t great when Rodgers the QB isn’t there to bail him out.

But Rodgers did get input, he got Cobb back on the team, and convinced them to keep Mercedes as well.  And he had Clements brought in.  None of those happen in Rodgers isn't here.

Of course Gute did draft his replacement and cut Kumerow so GM Rodgers was of course going to be pissed.

That’s true, but they really only did those things after he publicly, directly or through “sources”, bitched about not getting input. I think those were just moves to give him exactly what he asked for so that publicly it looked like GB was meeting him in the middle. I think they probably would have brought back AJ Hawk and Clay Matthew’s if he had demanded it honestly. It was on him next to deliver the wins after he got the big money and the entourage he wanted (including the coach), but just like 2023 he just wasn’t 100% healthy. Next year won’t be any different. Every time they lose he’s going to reveal a nagging injury…I’m calling it right now: next year he’s going to be dealing with long term damage from his aggressive treatment of his Achilles injury and it’s causing issues with his something his mechanics or his flexibility or something. The grift will continue on and on until it just sort of ends.  

It's too bad if that's the way it plays out. One of the great QBs in GB and NFL history, a HOF career... and it ends with Rodgers' legacy of an ayahuasca-using, darkness-loving, thinks-he's-smerter-than-everyone liar, and a bad GM. It's sad when you think that he could have been one of the most beloved QBs of all time and just a notch below Starr in GB.

The funny thing is Rodgers intentionally avoided being an asshole like Favre in the way he left, but then he found an entirely new way of being an asshole.

I see what you've done there.

Not to take this thread in a different direction or start a different discussion, but I don’t think he doesn’t anything accidentally. I still maintain all this talk about lifestyle, diet, psychedelics, social issues, etc. is just him setting up a post-football business venture. He’s been working to build up his base over the last few years and we will see him launch a Joe Rogan style podcast or some other type of lifestyle brand that monetizes all these beliefs he’s been discussing. No judgement from me on JRE or if Rodgers does something like that, but I think that’s why we’ve seen such a shift in his public persona. Your average Packer fan isn’t his target audience anymore, so he doesn’t really care about that goodwill or his “legacy”.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

I see what you've done there.

Dr.Bob is a proctologist?

@Grave Digger posted:

Not to take this thread in a different direction or start a different discussion, but I don’t think he doesn’t anything accidentally. I still maintain all this talk about lifestyle, diet, psychedelics, social issues, etc. is just him setting up a post-football business venture. He’s been working to build up his base over the last few years and we will see him launch a Joe Rogan style podcast or some other type of lifestyle brand that monetizes all these beliefs he’s been discussing. No judgement from me on JRE or if Rodgers does something like that, but I think that’s why we’ve seen such a shift in his public persona. Your average Packer fan isn’t his target audience anymore, so he doesn’t really care about that goodwill or his “legacy”.

Can you imagine the “lifestyle” brands for:

-Y.A.

-Tschmack

-Fedya

I couldn’t afford all of those subscriptions.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Can you imagine the “lifestyle” brands for:

-Y.A.

-Tschmack

-Fedya

I couldn’t afford all of those subscriptions.

Yes you could.....and you'd be willing to pay double

@PackLandVA posted:

HEY! Are we watching Breaking Bad......I'll crack open a beer for ya!

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-w...eason-235649571.html

Come back Aaron....COME BACK!!

@Boris posted:

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-w...eason-235649571.html

Come back Aaron....COME BACK!!

Are you worried about your job security?

“No I’m not,” Saleh said. “I’m not worried about it.”

Wait till he finds out that GM Rodgers is actively trying to replace him as head coach with Hackett.

@Boris posted:

"Jim Brady" whoever the eff that is ...doesn't get it.....the Jets will not be dictating terms to AR8 unless they want to eat about $63-$100 million in dead money in 2024....and of course flush another season down the crapper.

Have a nice dinner at Rao's....Aaron

Yep, #8 is calling all the shots at least where #8 or any of his buddies are concerned.

@Boris posted:

https://lombardiave.com/posts/...apology-01hg1j7g21rk

Perfect

These guys deserve each other.

When Pat Mcafee was called out by Aaron Nagler, instead of owning up to what he said and apologising for his obvious agenda like an adult would, he call Nagler a "50 year old weirdo" and lies about what he said. https://t.co/b46SM4GLQg

— Clayton Paul (@CPaul48) November 28, 2023

Shortcut to GB DET discussion on McAfee

@Grave Digger posted:

Not to take this thread in a different direction or start a different discussion, but I don’t think he doesn’t anything accidentally. I still maintain all this talk about lifestyle, diet, psychedelics, social issues, etc. is just him setting up a post-football business venture. He’s been working to build up his base over the last few years and we will see him launch a Joe Rogan style podcast or some other type of lifestyle brand that monetizes all these beliefs he’s been discussing. No judgement from me on JRE or if Rodgers does something like that, but I think that’s why we’ve seen such a shift in his public persona. Your average Packer fan isn’t his target audience anymore, so he doesn’t really care about that goodwill or his “legacy”.

What better way for AR to love him some AR than to have a podcast where he can hear himself talk all his bullshit on a daily basis.  That shit eating, constant smirk on his face will be seen by...hundreds.

@Goalline posted:

Are you worried about your job security?

“No I’m not,” Saleh said. “I’m not worried about it.”

Wait till he finds out that GM Rodgers is actively trying to replace him as head coach with Hackett.

Please do it.  We'll take Saleh as DC and give clueless Barry his bus ticket home.

About a year ago, Jets owner Woody Johnson was getting restless.

The Jets owner was distressed by the performance of his head coach and general manager, to say nothing of a struggling quarterback the duo selected second overall in the 2021 draft. He was asking pointed questions about the direction of the team. There were rumblings that Coach Robert Saleh and GM Joe Douglas had best be prepared to provide a cogent plan for constructing an offense to complement New York’s stout defense — with quarterback Zach Wilson or without him — or else. As chance would have it, all of this was happening just as the final strands tethering Aaron Rodgers to Green Bay were fraying.

That despair of 2022 probably seems a bit quaint to the billionaire Johnson & Johnson heir now, as his Frankenstein roster plummets toward the AFC’s cellar yet again, this time with a bloated payroll to boot. And Johnson’s hands, for however much he may wring them in consternation, seem effectively tied because of the decision to go all-in for Rodgers in the first place.

These 4-7 Jets are a total disaster following a Black Friday dismantling by Miami, hitting new lows offensively (the Fail Mary!) while also wilting more defensively by the week. But Rodgers is somehow more the face of the franchise than ever, despite taking just four snaps before his Achilles’ gave way. And I wouldn’t bet on Johnson doing anything to upset his highest paid player in the coming months, no matter what football catastrophes are yet to come.

“If they weren’t stuck with Rodgers for next year, absolutely, he’d be firing everyone,” said one NFL general manager, who knows Johnson fairly well. (He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to discuss the inner workings of other teams.) “But he’s stuck. I think he has to keep [offensive coordinator Nathaniel] Hackett, because he’s the quarterback’s guy. And you’re not going to change the system, or bring in anyone who would change the system, because that’s what Rodgers wants to run. So how are you firing the head coach? You can’t, right? Not unless you want to piss off Rodgers.
“I don’t think he can touch Saleh or Hackett. Maybe he brings someone in to replace [Douglas] and tells them they can hire their own [coach] a year from now. You can get a GM now by doing that. But those coaches, you’re stuck with them for next year.”

Let’s get this out of the way right now — Rodgers isn’t playing football this season. No personnel people in the NFL I’ve talked with see that happening. It’s bad enough to have a 40-year old, declining QB on your books for $38 million guaranteed next season; having him reinjure himself (on the Meadowlands’ oft-criticized artificial surface, no less) would only further damn a 2024 campaign that might already be doomed. “Even they aren’t stupid enough to let that happen,” the GM said, a familiar refrain around the league.

Problem is, the Jets’ issues run far deeper than Wilson’s ineptitude. They need to rebuild more or less the entire offensive line, and they’re already down their second-round 2024 pick from overpaying for Rodgers in the first place. They don’t have a starting-caliber tight end on the roster, and the receiving talent beyond Garrett Wilson is lacking. They’re on the hook for Friend Of Rodgers Allen Lazard for another $10 million next year, too, and don’t discount how much say and impact the quarterback will assume in future roster construction as well. Rodgers considers himself perpetually empowered on such matters.

Going into a season with only Wilson and Tim Boyle (who had one TD pass and 13 interceptions at U-Conn., but, you guessed it, is another Rodgers guy!) behind Rodgers on the depth chart was always tempting fate. Doing so with this offensive line was courting disaster. Not landing a veteran quarterback before the trade deadline would cost the coach and GM their jobs under normal circumstances. Having 10 total offensive touchdowns heading into December — four fewer than any other team — would have cemented it.

But Rodgers is the gift that keeps giving to those in power in New York. As for always-suffering Jets fans, well, Rodgers’s time in New York will prove to be more a curse than a gift. Running it back in 2024 with the same suspect coaches kowtowing to a withering quarterback who mustered 6.8 yards per attempt and a 91.1 QB rating the last time he played a full season seems like a recipe for another excruciating campaign — one perhaps even less fruitful than Brett Favre’s brief foray to the Big Apple.

Which could mean that Johnson can start firing people again by this time next year.

We really need to archive this whole thread once it's run its course. It's pure comedy gold when any one of us is feeling blue or just needs to laugh their ass off.

Honestly, I don't think Hollywood could create such a shit show. Gebins Aaron. Gebins.