+/- Bears/Pack

KonKrete posted:

Not a big +/- guy, but HaHa Dix needs to get a new job besides show up 2 steps late and help players up off the ground.  He made one play tonight and missed or was late on 10 others.  He was a big part of Chicago keeping that last drive alive.  He could have stopped Trubiscut short of a 1st down with a solid hit with 7:36 left but just glanced off of him.   And the hole and he left and tackle he missed on Howard with 2:50 left on 2nd and 13.....laughable.

 

The safeties were at fault for some of those big run plays that Howard/Cohen cut back after DL closed off the front side.  Dix needs to be better.  

I don’t think Rodgers is hijacking the scheme, I think he’s earned the freedom to hold the ball and find the right opportunity. There’s no scheme that calls for the QB to hold it, scramble, while the receivers run scattershot routes trying to find openings...how would that even look on paper? It would just be swiggly lines everywhere. I think the scheme, in its simplest form, calls for what Rodgers was forced to do in the second half, but Rodgers tends to hold it and extend the play looking to bite off big chunks of yards. I don’t think it’s a negative, it’s Rodgers more or less changing the play mid-play, making adjustments to what he’s seeing. Is MM okay with it? Probably, he’s Aaron Rodgers and generally it works. I think those slants, outs, sit downs, sluggos, etc. are all there all the time though and he doesn’t take them in favor of waiting for a bigger play.

EDIT: http://www.espn.com/blog/green...ity-but-buoy-packers

"Rodgers said he did not believe McCarthy altered his playcalling upon his return.

"I just told him I've got to be in the pistol or the shotgun and not go under center," Rodgers said.

...

"Obviously being more of a statue back there, had to deal the ball on time and make sure we had guys getting open."

Same play calling, different approach from the QB. 

Just one game(glorious result) but I'm hopeful that the halftime adjustments we saw were a result of the additions of Philbin and Pettine. Defense did a great job keeping Nagy off-balance. Way less  predictable than usual. 

Grave Digger posted:

 

In the middle: Other than his 2 crushing mistakes I don't think Kizer was THAT bad. Without the INT his rating was 95 and he hit some good passes. The OL did him no favors at all, especially on the INT. The strip sack he needed to release the ball and not hold it, supposedly GMo was wide open, and the INT he needed to eat the ball or throw it into the ground. Those are mistakes of a young QB though, I'm actually more encouraged by him than I was based on the preseason. 

 

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?  Kidding, kidding.  I sort of agree, that Kizer was very hot and cold.  He showed the talent that made him a top 40 pick.  Wouldn't surprise me that grades on his 9 pass plays would be 4 very positive, and 5 extremely negative.  No middle ground.  But this is what we saw last year, that he had a penchant for back breaking mistakes.  The sack fumble and pick 6 are inexcusable for an NFL QB and should have put this game out of reach, if not for the greatest QB ever.  

Never been to Pecan Lodge. I hate Dallas. 

Prefer doing my own BBQ'n.

CUPackFan posted:

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?  Kidding, kidding.  I sort of agree, that Kizer was very hot and cold.  He showed the talent that made him a top 40 pick.  Wouldn't surprise me that grades on his 9 pass plays would be 4 very positive, and 5 extremely negative.  No middle ground.  But this is what we saw last year, that he had a penchant for back breaking mistakes.  The sack fumble and pick 6 are inexcusable for an NFL QB and should have put this game out of reach, if not for the greatest QB ever.  

I just mean I think he was hot and cold. He ran the offense well, hit some good passes, and then fukked up. I choose to believe that minimizing those fukk ups is something that can happen over time though, but he ran the offense well for a young QB (much better than BH). 

After Rodgers. The single biggest + last night was how Pettine chose to play D on Chicago’s final drive. Rush 4 and play man coverage. A complete script flip from previous years. Dom goes 3 man rush and drops 8 into a soft zone and 5 completions later it’s FG time. Think CA95 was first to mention this last night and it’s spot on. 

Trubisky went deep sideline to Robinson twice on that final drive and both times King ran a better pattern. Alexander was all over his guy on CM3s late hit. The first play on that last drive Trubisky had nowhere to go. Held onto the ball, rolled right, finally found Gabriel for 11 but not before a Bears lineman went downfield illegally. This was a big deal for two reasons. 1. The penalty nullified a first down. 2. The play took so long to develop because of the coverage it ended with 1:59 left meaning Chicago lost the use of the two minute warning on top of the penalty yards. 

Effing love Pettine trusting the kids to play lockdown and them doing it. 

Got to get Burks speed back so there is someone that go sideline to sideline from the middle. Martinez is a lot of good between the T but his speed is a liability against plays with players like Chicago has designed to get to the boundaries. 

It should be noted Martinez completely covered Trey Burton on one play where Burton pitched a hissy.  You probably should be ashamed Trey Burton.

ChilliJon posted:

Effing love Pettine trusting the kids to play lockdown and them doing it. 

If we're going to lose I'd rather it be because we were playing fundamental, aggressive football and just straight up lost to a better player. The prevent defense is lame unless you're defending a hail mary.  

AR on the Fuller INT drop.  He has not forgotten Dom.

"We had a little saying - 'drop a pick give up a Td'.  But it usually happens when we were on defense.  But thankfully it happened the other way this time". 

I hate DAL too but, inlaws.  Made lemonade though.  

Or even a direct potshot at Randall.  Something tells me Randall is a bigger asshole than we know. 

Herschel posted:

- It always takes a while to get to sleep after a game like that and a lack of sleep going in to a Monday at the office is not ideal.

That's why Ambien is your friend.

Grave Digger posted:

Positive: Defense allowed 16 points, offense scored 24, those are numbers that I will take every week. Both units came up big in clutch situations, which is a change.

Offense was stagnant at first, Rodgers didn't seem to want to take the underneath stuff (which those options were there!), but he's Aaron Rodgers so it's hard to questions his methods. I was glad to see the offense play like it's capable though, they could beat any team if they play like they did in the second half. They were a positive despite the slow start. 

Young guys played well...Alexander, Jackson, King, Brice, Gilbert, etc. all made some key plays. I think the man coverage by the young CBs contributed heavily to Trubisky struggling to make decisions, even when they had passes completed they were contested. High priced WR Robinson was SHUT DOWN after the 1st. Gilbert looked good on that coverage of Cohen and Brice was playing like the SS we needed. 

Negative: Mental errors  by vets like CM3, Dix, and Wilkerson. Dix just took bad angles, the other 2 need to realize the refs are going to call every time they touch the QB. CM lost edge containment several times also, offenses count on him barreling down the line and overrunning the play it seems...it's a trap. 

Martinez was MIA, Brice cleaned up a lot of his misreads. Can't have that from our key ILB. 

What can you say about the interior OL other than they almost lost the game for us. Bulaga didn't do too bad against Mack honestly (I doubt he gets charged with that strip sack), but the interior OL looked lost and overmatched. If I'm Gute I'm begging Jahri Evans to come back or looking for a prime trade opportunity. Linsley was good when he was flanked by 2 pro bowl Guards, he's struggled since they both left. 

Return game was useless. I'm not sure why Davis was inactive and St Brown wasn't, I don't think I saw ESB on the field once. Cobb was fine on PR, but I'd rather have Davis at KR. 

In the middle: Other than his 2 crushing mistakes I don't think Kizer was THAT bad. Without the INT his rating was 95 and he hit some good passes. The OL did him no favors at all, especially on the INT. The strip sack he needed to release the ball and not hold it, supposedly GMo was wide open, and the INT he needed to eat the ball or throw it into the ground. Those are mistakes of a young QB though, I'm actually more encouraged by him than I was based on the preseason. 

EDIT: Thanks Boss, I missed that injury. Also this stat boggled my mind:

146 of the Bears' 294 total yards came on the first two possessions. Chicago had only 148 the next eight series #Packers

— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) September 10, 2018

18. 5 yards per possession. If there were a lot of turnovers that they had short fields for that stat wouldn't be so jarring, but they there wasn't any exceptional field position. That is how you adjust. 

 

Good post, and I agree with you on Kizer.  I thought he stepped in and was moving the team well.  He seemed to roll out right into Mack, more than Mack making a play.  And it's hard to blame him for the pick-6 because the blocking and play execution was horse****.  WAY more comfortable with him behind center than Bazooka Joe.  

This pass traveled 53 yards. 

Just in case anyone missed it

Aaron Rodgers said his left knee injury is the same one that he had a surgical cleanup on after the 2015 season, which is also his ACL knee from high school. He said he put a sleeve on his knee and tried to keep it loose. He'll... https://t.co/iJ9W7uoHBC pic.twitter.com/Dx8tnGDBi9

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) September 10, 2018

Doesn't sound too bad as long as it's not cheap shotted by the Vikes. 

Getting Aaron Jones back will be huge in the run, pass, and pass pro game. Monty was useless in pass pro, so when Williams needed a breather they had to go no back.

- Defense gave up 146 yards and 10 points on the first 2 drives of the game.

+ Defense gave up 148 yards and 6 points after that.

The Bears offense is a short scale to measure against but so far, so good.

Positive:

This

https://twitter.com/eddiebarst...967167759396864?s=21

Henry posted:

This is why I hate stats.

ESPN's QBR is a proprietary stat that rates quarterbacks on a scale of 0-100, where 50 is average.
Last night Aaron Rodgers had a QBR of 43.7.
Did anyone watching last night's game think Rodgers was below average? pic.twitter.com/YPlCMiJk1m

— Michael David Smith (@MichaelDavSmith) September 10, 2018

I never look at ESPN's QBR stat - it's obvious from the graphic above my views are warranted - they need to re-think their "stats"

Clearly, they developed a formula to support their anti-Packers view.

ChilliJon posted:

This pass traveled 53 yards. 

You can count on 1 hand missing 3 fingers how many QB's on the planet can make that throw on a consistent basis

On 1 leg.

I believe the injured knee is the knee with the cadaver ligament.  Full charge, Igor!

I was glad to see others put CM in the negative area.  The dude damn near does nothing on the field.  Sure, he’ll get a pressure here and there but for the most part he is invisible.  He made two plays last night... 1 tackle and 1 bonehead penalty that could have cost us the game.  

At this stage in his career, he’s just an average OLB.  I think he can be a pretty good MLB though but I doubt GB makes that move and inserts Gilbert at OLB.  

OLB and OL are big time needs next season (Draft). 

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Henry posted:

This is why I hate stats.

ESPN's QBR is a proprietary stat that rates quarterbacks on a scale of 0-100, where 50 is average.
Last night Aaron Rodgers had a QBR of 43.7.
Did anyone watching last night's game think Rodgers was below average? pic.twitter.com/YPlCMiJk1m

— Michael David Smith (@MichaelDavSmith) September 10, 2018

I never look at ESPN's QBR stat - it's obvious from the graphic above my views are warranted - they need to re-think their "stats"

It’s a pathetic attempt to gauge QB play. 

DH13 posted:

On 1 leg.

I believe the injured knee is the knee with the cadaver ligament.  Full charge, Igor!

Hey, I’ve got one of those.

Pakrz posted:

I was glad to see others put CM in the negative area.  The dude damn near does nothing on the field.  Sure, he’ll get a pressure here and there but for the most part he is invisible.  He made two plays last night... 1 tackle and 1 bonehead penalty that could have cost us the game.  

At this stage in his career, he’s just an average OLB.  I think he can be a pretty good MLB though but I doubt GB makes that move and inserts Gilbert at OLB.  

OLB and OL are big time needs next season (Draft). 

I would spend the whole draft at those positions if we have to draft for need.

+ Offense may have learned that quick hitters and slants are OK especially when there's extreme pressure up front. 

- The top three tacklers on defense were all defensive backs. Need to get that fixed

Hungry5 posted:

He looks like Zippy The Redneck Pinhead.

DH13 posted:

On 1 leg.

I believe the injured knee is the knee with the cadaver ligament.  Full charge, Igor!

Doc McKenzie has a freezer in the back of 1265 

Pakrz posted:

I was glad to see others put CM in the negative area.  The dude damn near does nothing on the field.  Sure, he’ll get a pressure here and there but for the most part he is invisible.  He made two plays last night... 1 tackle and 1 bonehead penalty that could have cost us the game.  

At this stage in his career, he’s just an average OLB.  I think he can be a pretty good MLB though but I doubt GB makes that move and inserts Gilbert at OLB.  

OLB and OL are big time needs next season (Draft). 

He doesn't need to be a starting OLB anymore, he needs to move into a situational rusher role. I'm not even sure he would be a good ILB at this point. I don't think Gilbert is ready to start though, I wish there had been an opportunity in the draft recently to get a quality OLB from a college team with a good defense, who has a brother in the NFL that is also from that college and is a star. Alas, we haven't been that lucky. 

Grave Digger posted:

Doesn't sound too bad as long as it's not cheap shotted by the Vikes. 

Getting Aaron Jones back will be huge in the run, pass, and pass pro game. Monty was useless in pass pro, so when Williams needed a breather they had to go no back.

I didn't think Jones was that great in pass protection compared to Williams.  Rodgers will be cheap shotted so that oline better get ****ing mean and take some penalties to rough a ****er up.

Jimmy Graham was also invisible last night.  Definitely not the performance I was expecting.  

Negative: Clay was the worst player in the field yesterday 

https://twitter.com/sconniespo...201667550470144?s=21

During the second half, I got a familiar feeling...
I felt ARod was in a zone like Favre was the night in Oakland after his Dad had died. The receivers were making these circus catches of passes that Favre literally threw on a wing and a prayer. It was like he couldn't miss!
The similarity was our guys catching whatever ARod threw. Where the similarity ended was the passes. Ol' Bert would just chuck it up there and hope for the best, whereas ARod was firing these lasers with pinpoint precision. It looked like the 'windows' he targeted were just big enough for the ball to fit in or through.
The TD pass to Cobb is a perfect example.
TV camera technology and angles may exacerbate my perception, but it's pretty damned impressive no matter the case!

Something else I was glad to see last night was how fired up the receivers were in the huddle. Adams, in particular, could hardly contain himself at times. His body language told me that he believed ARod was going to win that game, and he was prepared to go to the gates of hell for him right then and there, if that's what it was going to take. And I'd say his play reflected that.
Cobb has known that for years, but Allison is still learning it. That's why it's important for them (and our rooks) to experience that feeling and the affect it has on themselves and their teammates.

Pakrz posted:

Jimmy Graham was also invisible last night.  Definitely not the performance I was expecting.  

Sounds like the Bears were covering him up a lot according to Silverstein.  

Goalline posted:

Negative: Clay was the worst player in the field yesterday 

https://twitter.com/sconniespo...201667550470144?s=21

I agree that Clay needs to be situational.  He just looked lost trying to hold contain.  I don't know if it's the new scheme but he didn't look comfortable at all.  Gilbert is probably better suited, much like Perry for contain.  Funny how nobody even suggests Fackrell.