+/- Bears/Pack

Kizer's a little bit like Hundley, they seem like good guys off the field that want to do well and please everyone.  But the other similarity they have is a lack of feel for what is going on around them.  He was just totally oblivious to Mack taking away that ball from him in the red zone, and that to me is something you almost can't coach.  Some guys have an instinctive reaction to that situation in a much quicker fashion and I am not sure that can be coached. 

It's just sort of this split millisecond thing that some guys are able to do the right thing, and some guys just naturally do the wrong thing.  Maybe with experience Kizer will see the field better and not get himself into that type of situation, but man his lack of awareness is just something that is concerning and it was similar to the problems Hundley had when he was playing. 

RTFB!!!! 

Thats how you beat these guys. 

Joseph in their middle is a load. Get Lewis in there along with whomever is a better blocker between Graham, etc., and pound it, even if unsuccessful, from the start to wear those big guys out. Short passes to slow the rush. Attack, attack, attack. Make them adjust to us, none of this "we need to adjust to them" crap.

This can't be good for McPhilbin:

From Eye In the Sky on twitter:

Credit has to be given to Vic Fangio. His defenses are well coached and his play calling was superb. There were countless plays where the Bears had the perfect call for every play. As if Fangio knew the play beforehand. He was step ahead for the majority of the game.

DH13 posted:

This can't be good for McPhilbin:

From Eye In the Sky on twitter:

Credit has to be given to Vic Fangio. His defenses are well coached and his play calling was superb. There were countless plays where the Bears had the perfect call for every play. As if Fangio knew the play beforehand. He was step ahead for the majority of the game.

 

In the second half?????

I just wonder what happened to Fangio's crystal ball at half time.  I think sometimes McGenius  just won't create a game plan that doesn't involve Superman behind center.  It appeared to me that Fangio pressured the 15 yard area around the LOS and when M3 started exploiting that the bears went tits up.

I learned at age 5 there are a lot of ways to score 80 yard Td's and not all of them involve chucking the ball to the goal line. Someday M3 will learn this as well 

DH13 posted:

This can't be good for McPhilbin:

From Eye In the Sky on twitter:

Credit has to be given to Vic Fangio. His defenses are well coached and his play calling was superb. There were countless plays where the Bears had the perfect call for every play. As if Fangio knew the play beforehand. He was step ahead for the majority of the game.

 

So...to recap....

Perfect play call - excellent defensive personnel - Fangio step ahead majority of the game.

Yet Aaron Rodgers went "legend" on them & bailed out MM & JP.... AGAIN!! And Fangio lost.

Starting to understand why I'm unhappy with MM? He isn't adjusting. He's still running the "We do what we do" & then Mr. legend bails him out time & time again.

This isn't 2011 anymore. If Fangio knows what's coming....doesn't it stand to reason, old one-eye's defense will also know?!?!?

I think McCarthy's a good coach, far better than I ever dreamed he he'd be, but there's no doubt that Aaron Rodgers can make any coach look better than they really are.  Aaron Rodgers can make a bad coach look mediocre, a mediocre coach look good, a good coach look great, and a great coach look like God himself came down and was coaching. 

I think McCarthy is a good coach, but there's no doubt that being associated with 2 Hall Of Fame level talents at QB has certainly given him an advantage that 95% of coaches didn't have.   

Really good rant on Fox Sports the other day from a guy saying the Pack is pathetic for not having a better backup for Rodgers, pointing out how Brady has had better backups and how the Eagles won a Super Bowl with a backup and the Vikes last year got to the championship game with a backup. Since Matt Flynn, we've had crap.

I think that MM is ok as a coach. Not great but he doesn’t really suck either. He seems to organize well but his game plans are not exactly exotic. He holds on to coaches and scheme even when it isn’t working out well. Unless there is a new up and comer type that I don’t know about, I can’t envision a good replacement. Also, he has not really had great players (except for AR) to work with. Most of the players we cut or don’t resign don’t do all that well in the NFL after their release. So that says something.

Not to be a negative nelly here but I don’t see us winning this game. On paper the queens look better. We don’t have much of a pass rush and face a better defense. Arods injury might limit him Sunday. However, the play of (even an injured) Aaron and perhaps play of our revamped secondary might change all that. I remain hopeful. And except for major injuries, I see this team getting better as the season goes on. I think we split the season with the queens and make the playoffs.

PackerPatrick posted:

I think that MM is ok as a coach. Not great but he doesn’t really suck either. He seems to organize well but his game plans are not exactly exotic. He holds on to coaches and scheme even when it isn’t working out well. Unless there is a new up and comer type that I don’t know about, I can’t envision a good replacement. Also, he has not really had great players (except for AR) to work with. Most of the players we cut or don’t resign don’t do all that well in the NFL after their release. So that says something.

Not to be a negative nelly here but I don’t see us winning this game. On paper the queens look better. We don’t have much of a pass rush and face a better defense. Arods injury might limit him Sunday. However, the play of (even an injured) Aaron and perhaps play of our revamped secondary might change all that. I remain hopeful. And except for major injuries, I see this team getting better as the season goes on. I think we split the season with the queens and make the playoffs.

Disagree.

We embarrass them this Sunday.

I agree on splitting the series. I just don't see them being surprised at all by whatever MM calls this weekend. And after what happened to the Bears, the Vikings defense is not going to fall paws up when things start going south. Yes, I know what happened last year in Philly, but my guess is they also learned from that.

The 3rd and 19 screen pass call with 50 seconds left closed the book on my opinion of MM. He does some things well (maybe very well) but there are some glaring deficiencies in him as HC.

The lack of a competent backup is due to arrogance in the belief that the Packer QB coaches can polish a turd. 

YATittle posted:

Disagree.

We embarrass them this Sunday.

Embarrass?  Care to elaborate?  Other than hating MIN?

Brainwashed Boris posted:

DH13 posted:

This can't be good for McPhilbin:

From Eye In the Sky on twitter:

Credit has to be given to Vic Fangio. His defenses are well coached and his play calling was superb. There were countless plays where the Bears had the perfect call for every play. As if Fangio knew the play beforehand. He was step ahead for the majority of the game.

 

So...to recap....

Perfect play call - excellent defensive personnel - Fangio step ahead majority of the game.

Yet Aaron Rodgers went "legend" on them & bailed out MM & JP.... AGAIN!! And Fangio lost.

Starting to understand why I'm unhappy with MM? He isn't adjusting. He's still running the "We do what we do" & then Mr. legend bails him out time & time again.

This isn't 2011 anymore. If Fangio knows what's coming....doesn't it stand to reason, old one-eye's defense will also know?!?!?

Scrubbed playbook and all.  Considering Rodgers and Cobb basically scored by breaking off the route to nowhere (thanks Chili) it makes you think.  

No, actually it doesn't.  McVince should've been fired.

Worst part is the steady stream of Seneca Tolzien Hundley Kizers that look so profoundly lost to the point everyone wonders why Mike can’t find a serviceable backup without realizing it’s taking 100% maximum effort of the greatest QB that’s ever played to take this fully clogged toilet offense and manage to squeeze points out of it. 

Mike is never finding a backup QB to run this offense. It’s never happening. To the point I’m questioning Mikes ability to fill an OC position. Week 1 was still a heavy dose of iso man beater routes. That’s playing right into a defensive coordinators wheelhouse. That crap needs to end. 

DH13 posted:

YATittle posted:

Disagree.

We embarrass them this Sunday.

Embarrass?  Care to elaborate?  Other than hating MIN?

33-17

Not the what.  The why.

Why? Because our O will score the way the Eagles did in that championship game, and once forced to play catchup Cousins will throw three picks.

I love Brak's rants.  

So with all the McCarthy hate, a counter questions often seems to be: Well, who do you think should replace him?

Henry and others have suggested a defensive minded HC with a good OC to pair with AR.  Maybe that guy has been mentioned in the last page or two.

Can Fackrell coach?  Because he sure can't play. 

Pettine the Philbin. 

PackLandVA posted:

So with all the McCarthy hate, a counter questions often seems to be: Well, who do you think should replace him?

Henry and others have suggested a defensive minded HC with a good OC to pair with AR.  Maybe that guy has been mentioned in the last page or two.

“It doesn’t make sense to hire smart people and tell them what to do. We hire smart people so they can tell us what to do” - Steve Jobs

A man’s got to know his limitations. 

I’m not giving up on Mike. This is a good team. Could be a great team. But Mike has to get out of his own way.

You have to surround yourself with people that want your job and can take your job. Mike hasn’t done that for a while. 

Hes dealing with that now. 

I was actually referring to Fangio.

PackerPatrick posted:

I think that MM is ok as a coach. Not great but he doesn’t really suck either.

I think this is a pretty good way of putting it.  But I'd say 25 coaches in the league fall into this spectrum right now.  Really over the last 20 years of the NFL, only Bill Belichick has shown to be consistently better than his opponent week in, week out.  Other than that, it's really been a whole lot of mediocrity where coaches win when the roster lines up right but once the roster gets a little older, guys get paid and the roster turns over a bit, that same coach is back out of the playoffs.  

This isn't meant to defend MM but more that coaching in the NFL is pretty terrible right now.  Mistakes on every side of the ball that happen every week to every team.  But right now, I'd probably say Belichick and Pederson are the only two coaches I can say without a doubt are better than MM every week.  That's really sad state for the NFL.  

Fangio is 5 days removed from his worst nightmare. 20-0 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. 

I don't hate MM. I hate his stubbornness to refuse to adjust. You have to be dynamic. Belichick is constantly changing ****. That's why they win! I'm seeing Doug Pedersen do the same thing. Sean McVay of the Rams...same thing.

MM is a good coach.  MM has to figure this $#!T out. His Packer career depends on it. 

...and yes I know he'll be unemployed for about 3 seconds. I don't want him gone. I want him to improve & WIN!

ChilliJon posted:

Fangio is 5 days removed from his worst nightmare. 20-0 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. 

You're right.  Pick one game as an indictment to his coaching.  Let's not forget his defense lost to one of the greatest QBs of all-time.  

Fangio has a pretty good history of making his defenses work.

I’ll never agree with the argument Mike has a job in a day if he leaves Green Bay. 

If you can’t win with Aaron Rodgers. Who can you win with?

PackLandVA posted:

ChilliJon posted:

Fangio is 5 days removed from his worst nightmare. 20-0 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. 

You're right.  Pick one game as an indictment to his coaching.  Let's not forget his defense lost to one of the greatest QBs of all-time.  

Fangio has a pretty good history of making his defenses work.

It’s not one game. Fangio is never getting a HC job. 

Will not be surprised if Fangio is a HC in the near future, especially if the Bears D takes another leap - Mack or no Mack.

They didn’t take a leap last week. 

Against one of the greatest QBs of all time who, along with teammates, made some incredible, indefensible plays. Or are you minimizing ARs second half?

And one half does not a season make.  The Bears under Fangio have gone from 30th to 15th to 14th to 11th in the past four seasons.  And that’s with a sh!tshow on offense. Those are significant improvements, if not leaps.

Do you have a particular reason(s) why he couldn’t/wouldn’t get a HC job, especially given the crap some of the perennial bottom dwellers are willin* to hire each year?

Dom Capers fired him as DC in 2005. That’s pretty much all that needs to be said. 

But when Jim Tomsula got the HC gig over him in 2015 in SF. That salted away his chances of ever becoming a HC. 

He’s never becoming a HC. And he shouldn’t. He’s not a head coach. 

ChilliJon posted:

They didn’t take a leap last week. 

Actually they did... right into the pit of misery.  😀

Bears have a great defense. Roquan Smith is going to be really good for a long time. 

Rodgers deciphered that D last week. 

Bears are the threat for the immediate future. Not the Vikings. The Bears are going to become a pain in the ass.