Originally Posted by FLPACKER:
How in the world are we 2 and a half point favorites on the road in this game
Can't see the forest with all the Dick Rod's in the way.
I didn't think the betting line was any indication of who the guys in Vegas think will win the game.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
I didn't think the betting line was any indication of who the guys in Vegas think will win the game.
Bettiing line's purpose is to balance money bet on both teams as the vig (10%) is where the profit is. they don't care who wins.
Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
What was the line in thr Broncos game?
2.5
I think what's so frustrating is this offense has no identity after starting off like gang busters. Like they are trying to force some kind of master plan in scheme which they are failing to pull off. They just keep banging their heads.
That and the oline blows.
pan·the·on
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noun
- all the gods of a people or religion collectively."the deities of the Hindu and Shinto pantheons"
- (especially in ancient Greece and Rome) a temple dedicated to all the gods.noun: Pantheon
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He's in the Snivelers Pantheon but thinks he's a nerd. He sits on the right hand of Woody Allen wielding his powerful nasal mister like Zeus with chronic sinusitis.
The Denver game sucked, but I would rather get it out of the way now instead of in the playoffs. Thats the best spin I have on the loss...on to Carolina!!!!!
I am surprised GB is favored by 2.5 after last weeks bozo show. I don't like how this team looks right now, offense seems inept and defense giving up big chunks. I have to think last weekend really got their attention. I think Car is another tough match up on the road. Olson is really their only receiving threat, but Stewart has been reborn in the running game. GB needs to continue to do what they have on defense and thats take the ball away, currently tied for 2nd with +7. Most of those top tier teams are all in the top 5-6 in give/take (Den, Car, GB, Cin, NE) Play good red zone defense and take the ball away. PS, Woody leads the league in INTS
I hope we see a more focused/alert group that realizes whats at stake
Packers 30
Carolina 24
Originally Posted by Henry:
I think what's so frustrating is this offense has no identity after starting off like gang busters. Like they are trying to force some kind of master plan in scheme which they are failing to pull off. They just keep banging their heads.
That and the oline blows.
This is what I don't get. Supposedly the best group in a while, with some decent depth. Where are they?
Originally Posted by oldschool:
Like it or not, McCarthy was never going to "all out" expose our playbook and schemes on offense or defense to an AFC team, on the road, in the middle of the season. National TV or not. He don't care bout that stuff. MM is a grinder, the end justifies the means , meat and potatoes, stoopy face kind of guy.
Add in coming off a bye, and the thin air of Denver and this was a bad bad combination all along. It just wasn't our night, a bad spot and not a game you want to shoot your wad in with Carolina coming up. We tried, it was obvious right away it wasn't working... and it was then a game for a defensive re-treat...live to play another week...save your powder for a game that will vastly impact the rest of your season.
Relax. Your old Green Bay Packers will show up in Carolina. We will look more like the team before we went vanilla vs. two AFC *ucks. Get over it...this is how MM does it.
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Looking back...it will be...well of course...the Packers will be just fine. It's so clear, this was the game we wanted...this is the game circled...I wonder how much of the bye week was spent...scheming THIS game?
Eternal optimist here, but after thinking about this a lot IMO this post from oldschool the other day is probably close to the truth. That doesn't excuse players half-assing it but how else to explain such a vanilla game plan v. the Donkeys? May also explain help player frustration ("why the hell are we running this ****?").
Otherwise there's a lot of bad juju going on at 1265.
I'd put the game right up there with the opener against the Seahawks as just a very poor coaching job from MM. I think hubris was largely responsible for the vanilla game plan. They really believed that getting Adams back and just running the offense was the answer and that was obviously wrong.
Bad juju. It looked like against Denver the offense didn't believe in the game plan and they executed accordingly. The defensive coaches never adjusted to what Denver was doing and our guys were caught flat-footed and unprepared. It's not that they lost, it's that they looked horribly dysfunctional in losing the way they did. If they don't come out better in Carolina, then something is clearly wrong at 1265.
I'll be looking this weekend to see that the offense is more cohesive and on point, while the defense tightens up the middle of the field. If we show some fight and cohesion we should win, but it ain't gonna be easy.
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MM giving presser as I type. Will post summary soon. Meanwhile, for your reading enjoyment:
.@bjohnson613: "Does your QB need to widen his definition of what's open?" McCarthy: "Next question."
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) November 4, 2015
Demo left out Mike's long pause before answering.
Green Bay - The following is a summary of coach Mike McCarthy's pre-practice press conference Wednesday:
- (On Panthers game Monday) Televised copies we look at anyways, but I thought it was a heckuva football game. Good game, just to see it live and see communication, there's things you don't see on the coach's tape.
- (On biggest difference) They're healthy. We played them last year and they had a number of guys out of the game. They're playing good football. The way they're running the ball and Cam Newton and Stewart, I think they're doing a good job there. Defensively, they're a good challenge with our offense. They fly around and play downhill. It's a balanced and well-rounded football team.
- (On Greg Olsen and TEs against the defense) Last week wasn't a great week for us. Olsen poses different threats. He's coming out of the backfield, is displaced. Lot of misdirection. Good player and they utilize him. They're very multiple.
- (On taking play-calling back) That's not a good structure. You don't just abandon the procedure when something bad happens. There was a lot to learn from the last game. we had a chance to look at the tape collectively and had a chance to apply to it.
- (On having team ready to play) I like to think I'm a dynamic speaker (smiles). Reality is when team doesn't start the way it should is my responsibility. Every week is different. We didn't play with the same energy as we did in the past. Both teams coming off the bye. I'm sure emphasis for Broncos was starting fast. Starting fast is one thing, not sustaining is another.
- (On WRs) It's not a one-position ballgame. Our plays are way down. Things play into that. This is not just about receivers getting open. We'll take what we learned and apply it to our next game.
(On working out of lulls) I think the most important thing you have to understand is you’re different every year. We’ve done well over the years and the statistics over nine seasons look similar. This is a different offense than what we ran last year and a different football team. We started the season off the right way playing in balance to one another. We have not the last two (games).
- (On Kuhn and Ripkowski) John is steady and consistent. Carries that over to Sunday. Rip has done a very good job. He's been getting more involved.
- (On Montgomery) He feels better. We'll see if he can go today.
- (On Newton) Way utilizing him, ability to run the football, whether the option series. He looks comfortable throwing the ball. I don't know if there's an action pass they don't have.
- (On Rollins, Shields, Matthews) Quinten may practice today. Clay will do something. Sam's getting better.
Originally Posted by Henry:
He's in the Snivelers Pantheon but thinks he's a nerd. He sits on the right hand of Woody Allen wielding his powerful nasal mister like Zeus with chronic sinusitis.
This post is a work of art. Not sure why you feel the need to add *** ***in **** shock value all the time. You may actually have a soul of a poet.
From the MM presser: "We’ve done well over the years and the statistics over nine seasons look similar. This is a different offense than what we ran last year and a different football team. We started the season off the right way playing in balance to one another. We have not the last two (games)."
Well, that's interesting and could explain a lot. A different offense. And how's that working so far?
Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Originally Posted by Henry:
He's in the Snivelers Pantheon but thinks he's a nerd. He sits on the right hand of Woody Allen wielding his powerful nasal mister like Zeus with chronic sinusitis.
This post is a work of art. Not sure why you feel the need to add *** ***in **** shock value all the time. You may actually have a soul of a poet.
Because it's ****ing football. I'm using the Bukowski.
Originally Posted by Fandame
Well, that's interesting and could explain a lot. A different offense. And how's that working so far?
Next question
@TomSilverstein: #Packers practice: Shields, Montgomery not working; Rollins doing very little, Matthews doing everything. Didn't see Ripkowski.
Originally Posted by cuqui:
Originally Posted by oldschool:
Like it or not, McCarthy was never going to "all out" expose our playbook and schemes on offense or defense to an AFC team, on the road, in the middle of the season. National TV or not. He don't care bout that stuff. MM is a grinder, the end justifies the means , meat and potatoes, stoopy face kind of guy.
... {snip}
Eternal optimist here, but after thinking about this a lot IMO this post from oldschool the other day is probably close to the truth. That doesn't excuse players half-assing it but how else to explain such a vanilla game plan v. the Donkeys? May also explain help player frustration ("why the hell are we running this ****?").
Otherwise there's a lot of bad juju going on at 1265.
McCarthy is sneaky smart.
One thing I hate is when the Packers edit the videos from the press conferences. The MM presser has a cut at 7:30 after he answers the question about guys getting open.
"What's the definition of open?...there's things we need to do a better job of; running the ball, obviously protecting, and the passing game. We can get better in each area"
Then a edit to a question about Cam Newton and his development since his rookie year.
left out:
McCarthy asked if Aaron Rodgers needs to expand his definition of what an "open" receiver means. Responded, "Next question." #Packers
— Paul Imig (@Paulimig) November 4, 2015
Oh yeah....Control everything. Think Billy B & the Pats don't do the exact same thing?
The problem with that line of thinking is it's 2015 and it can end up making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. Anyone with a half a brain (me) and twitter can figure out what was said.
I understand they're afraid of the clip going global on NFL network and ESPN, but after their blunder with Cohen and Rob Davis last week these kinds of shenanigans are the last thing their PR department should be up to. The least they could do is not insult people by saying they're posting the "full" press conference.
Coach McCarthy talks #Packers offense, looks ahead to #GBvsCAR. Full press conference: https://t.co/mVf3y18Ye3 pic.twitter.com/eCaQ4y1E8S
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) November 4, 2015
Just another nail in the coffin of doom.
Last year, NE got their asses handed to them by KC in Arrowhead week 4, 41-14, in much the same way we lost to DEN. They rolled to win 12 of their next 14 games and a SB victory. Hoping for much the same for our Packers through the remainder of this season.
Ted must've told them to fix it.
They read X4 too 
Originally Posted by Boris:
They read X4 too
If only that were true....
Well, editing that out doesn't remove much. The question was from Bill Johnson, who spends a lot of his time shouting and listening to himself talk, so getting McCarthy's Next question response... meh.
It's a question that no coach of a future HOF QB would/should honestly answer. No benefit.
We're on to Carolina.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Well, editing that out doesn't remove much. The question was from Bill Johnson, who spends a lot of his time shouting and listening to himself talk, so getting McCarthy's Next question response... meh.
It's a question that no coach of a future HOF QB would/should honestly answer. No benefit.
We're on to Carolina.
That's right, he did coach Favre. 
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
just a little editing 
It's a question that a future HOF QB should honestly answer.
I don't think anyone asked Rodgers.
Sounds like the locker room was a lot of fun today. Sitton refusing to talk to the reporters because Cohen was in the pool interviewing, Wilde saying James Jones accused him of wanting the team to lose. Only one side of the story here, but quite the listen.