Timmy! posted:I'm not about to defend TT's draft picks on defense, but to say Spielman is better at drafting? Christian Ponder, Teddy B., and C. Patterson say otherwise.
They also talk about how Spielman hasn't hit on a QB in the article.
Herschel posted...
They also talk about how Spielman hasn't hit on a QB ...
That is probably because Brady is already spoken for
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Herschel posted:Timmy! posted:I'm not about to defend TT's draft picks on defense, but to say Spielman is better at drafting? Christian Ponder, Teddy B., and C. Patterson say otherwise.
They also talk about how Spielman hasn't hit on a QB in the article.
Ponder fell into his lap
Credit to the defense they did have their typical blinders but this was a winnable game had anybody on offense decide they could throw or catch.
PackerBackerDPM posted:Credit to the defense they did have their typical blinders but this was a winnable game had anybody on offense decide they could throw or catch.
Agreed. Guys on that side of the ball could have laid down and quit. They didn't.
I guess that means we have to credit Dom?
I wonder what the win probability is right now for GB? A TD, 2 point conversion, onside kick, TD, 2 point conversion, win a coin flip and score another TD.
michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
I wish it was. But not tonight anyway
michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
Something tells me that had Hundley some how directed the offense to 21 pts, MIN would have scored 24.
michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
Here's the thing....even if the offense scored 30.
Do you honestly believe the Vikings wouldn't have scored 31 or more?
Both teams going through the motions out there tonight....it was a friggin pre-season game.
michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
Best lock up Dom before someone grabs him....
michiganjoe posted:Overwhelming Defensive Talent Disparity
Another piece comparing the talent on the defensive side of the ball between the Vikings and Packers and the role of the draft. Bottom line:
For the Packers to overtake the Vikings, they’ll need more than the return of Aaron Rodgers. They’ll need a Spielman-style offseason. That means taking advantage of a rare spot in the draft order and landing a game-changing player or two. And it means coach Mike McCarthy has to find a Zimmer to run the defense.
For the past several years the vikings drafted high in the first round. Why? Because they sucked the previous season. Drafting high gave them the ability to draft a game changer, or three. Since the vikings suck, it also means that they wasted some of those high picks on players like Ponder and Crazy Legs Bridgewater. Don't give Spielman credit for anything! He is in charge of one of the worst organizations in Pro Football and he should take credit for their poor showings in the playoffs since he has been their GM.
He may suck and they may suck but as the kids say......scoreboard
michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
The defense wasn't tested because the Vikings didn't have to test them. The Packer offense was inept. The Vikings knew 14 points was as good as 60. If the Packers had put any kind of offensive showing together, the Vikings would have pushed it. As it is, they took their foot off the gas.
Of course the Packer offense was inept-that's my point. Dom still needs to go but they played well enough tonight.
lambeausouth posted:michiganjoe posted:Defense wasn't the problem tonight.
The defense wasn't tested because the Vikings didn't have to test them. The Packer offense was inept. The Vikings knew 14 points was as good as 60. If the Packers had put any kind of offensive showing together, the Vikings would have pushed it. As it is, they took their foot off the gas.
Not tonight. Also, the vikings receivers dropped almost as many passes as the Packers did. The vikings were not on their game tonight and I don't think that is something a playoff team wants to have happen at this stage of the season.
As many advantages that an NFL offense is given in today's NFL, and you get shut out ???!!! For the second time in a season ,...at Lambeau ?? When you are a team that is designed to have your offense dictate what you are, what you do. When your coach is a " highly successful" offensive minded coach. When your QB room is fine because you've invested, evaluated, mentored your highly touted 3 year backup ??
Fail.
A dome team in single digit temps plus playing not to get hurt. Vikings did what they came to do. Leave with a W
Packer defense typically performs reasonably well against average QBs. Low for offensive output for the season from the Vikings and a QB that has been playing very well most of the season was very average. Missed a lot of throws he usually makes and likely the weather was largely responsible.
PackFoo posted:The Vikings are a joke...the only reason they won the North is because #12 got hurt. They will choke it up in the playoffs as usual.
You got that right. Aaron Rodgers might as well be the entire team. Would have been a 10+ loss team last year without him, would have been a 10+ loss team this year without him and probably would be a 10+ loss team next year without him.
I'll keep saying it because it's true. Without Aaron Rodgers, we are the Cleveland Browns. Every area (O, D and ST) of the Packer team is substandard and poorly coached. That can only lead to one conclusion.
MM isn't worth a **** and it's time his ass is sent packing.
We should all thank Anthony Barr. Without AR getting hurt the powers that be might never have taken their blinders off to what this team really is. I can't guarantee that they will now, but who knows. I'm hoping that our front office/B.O.D. are smart enough to learn from this year's failure. With AR healthy, we are a playoff team. As I posted earlier, we would have likely lost in the same fashion as previous years. (defensive let down) However, it would have been another year that the argument could be made that other injuries is what derailed our season. The curtain has been drawn back and everyone can see that the wizard was not really a wizard.
In my opinion, the adage that it's better to get rid of a player a year too soon rather than a year to late, should apply to coaches/mgmt as well. We might be getting close to needing to find Rodgers replacement. We have a handful of vets that we might need to let walk. I'd rather have a GM who is looking ahead to the rest of his career as opposed to one that is winding down. The same could be said for MM. Do we trust that he should be the coach to groom AR's replacement? TT and MM may not need to go next year, but it's possible that they might sooner than later. If Murphy has a GM or coach in mind, it might make sense to pull the trigger now.
I'm not sure Murphy has anything in mind, at least as far as the football side of things is concerned.
He's got a park to build and a commissioner dick to suck.
Packdog posted:As many advantages that an NFL offense is given in today's NFL, and you get shut out ???!!! For the second time in a season ,...at Lambeau ?? When you are a team that is designed to have your offense dictate what you are, what you do. When your coach is a " highly successful" offensive minded coach. When your QB room is fine because you've invested, evaluated, mentored your highly touted 3 year backup ??
Fail.
Top QB out. Backup just not good (I'll give them a Fail for that), top two WR's out, o-line woes, perhaps best defense in the NFC, and harsh weather conditions.
Outside of Packer personnel having Hundley as #2, I'd give the Packers some slack on the shutout.
heyward posted:I'm not sure Murphy has anything in mind, at least as far as the football side of things is concerned.
I could be wrong, but I think he has a Caretaker mentality. Not Bob Harlan.
phaedrus posted:Packdog posted:As many advantages that an NFL offense is given in today's NFL, and you get shut out ???!!! For the second time in a season ,...at Lambeau ?? When you are a team that is designed to have your offense dictate what you are, what you do. When your coach is a " highly successful" offensive minded coach. When your QB room is fine because you've invested, evaluated, mentored your highly touted 3 year backup ??
Fail.
Top QB out. Backup just not good (I'll give them a Fail for that), top two WR's out, o-line woes, perhaps best defense in the NFC, and harsh weather conditions.
Outside of Packer personnel having Hundley as #2, I'd give the Packers some slack on the shutout.
I'm a harder grader than you....no gentlemen C's from me.
Pikes Peak: "I'm a harder grader than you....no gentlemen C's from me."
:-)
Last week, the Milwaukee Journal had a podcost on why Capers needs to be fired. Wow, was it damning. Especially all the red zone defensive categories.
phaedrus posted:Outside of Packer personnel having Hundley as #2, I'd give the Packers some slack on the shutout.
Well that makes one of us.
Pakrz posted:I'll keep saying it because it's true. Without Aaron Rodgers, we are the Cleveland Browns. Every area (O, D and ST) of the Packer team is substandard and poorly coached. That can only lead to one conclusion.
MM isn't worth a **** and it's time his ass is sent packing.
I couldn't agree more. I think the players have tuned him out along with all the other coaches. When that happens, itmeans a cleansing of the house. TT. MM, and DC it's time to pack your bags.
i just cannot watch a safety running away from the play 20yds downfield on a running play. enough. they are coached to do this.
Bills with pick-6 vs. Brady .... Romo "scheme fooled Brady"
Two fumble recoveries for Julius Peppers today.
Pakrz posted:I'll keep saying it because it's true. Without Aaron Rodgers, we are the Cleveland Browns. Every area (O, D and ST) of the Packer team is substandard and poorly coached. That can only lead to one conclusion.
MM isn't worth a **** and it's time his ass is sent packing.
it's not true at all.
We need to remove Dom and see what happens to this team. Good teams can be patient on offense knowing their D won't let them get too deep in a hole. I'm not a fan of blowing up team - I believe the inept defensive coaching has affected the whole.
bigdoggyjude posted:We need to remove Dom and see what happens to this team. Good teams can be patient on offense knowing their D won't let them get too deep in a hole. I'm not a fan of blowing up team - I believe the inept defensive coaching has affected the whole.
I agree with this, I think many of us do...but I haven't seen a stubborn *&^%^&* coach in a long a time, MM is that guy. If he can get the defense energized again, the picture would turn upside down and quick. (also to the post above, we are NOT the cleveland browns - that dumpster fire has an owner that keeps the gasoline handy)