King looks like a number 1 corner. Specifically in run support.
TJ Watt is no generational talent. There are TJ Watts in the draft every year in the first two rounds. Much harder to find a corner.
If we want to bitch about misses at LB. Start with Rueben Foster. That guy looks like a lifetimer in the middle when GB goes to a 4-3.
Like Getsy must be a decent coach. New OC at Miss St?
I didn't watch any of Dom's press conferences this week because I'm adverse to things that cause sever indigestion and diarrhea.
Does anyone know if any of the reporters asked him--since it's week 17 now--whether his players understand his "defense" schemes yet?
Did anyone ask whether his "defense" is ready for his last game in the NFL?
This I could handle. Those 49er defenses were dominant, and the Bears defense has been the highlight of their season.
I mentioned it earlier that I would take Fangio over Dom. He's always put together great defenses. The 9ers were tough against AR and so has been the Bears D. Give Fangio a little something to work with and I bet he takes GB defense to the top 10. Isn't he a 4-3 guy? But even so, we all say the pieces are in place to go 4-3...
JJ Watt is on record saying TJ was the best athlete and had the best skills and upside of his brothers including himself. Was JJ not a once in a generation type talent? I'll trust he knows what he's talking about.
TJ only played one full (starter) season at UW and was dominant. He's had a very strong rookie campaign so far. Bottom line, he's still very green as a LB and football player but when he figures it out look out.
My issue is Ted knew or knows how tenuous our pass rushing situation is that's why he overpaid for Perry despite the fact he's a halftime player. Clay is clearly not the player he was and his best years are past him. Yet we pass on a possible stud OLB pass rusher? You draft TJ you could have moved Clay back inside to extend his career.
Now we are back looking for another OLB when the guy was there. Yes I am pissed about it.
As for corners, the two best moves he's made in GB were Tramon and Shields. Both undrafted guys. The best DB he's selected is Collins and he was a 2nd rounder. So yes, there are or were other options to build CB talent or depth. Look around the league and over history. Some of the best corners aren't high draft selections and it was a deep draft year for cornerbacks. Ted could have added TJ and a corner later.
I hope King works out but not holding my breath and it's because he's not built to take a lot of punishment. And he was hurt a lot this year. Time will tell and for our sake he needs to succeed or we will compound one problem (needing a pass rusher) with another (needing a corner).
There's a lot of emotion about TJ Watt and rightfully so. First and foremost is that most Packer fans are also diehard Badger fans. They know TJ's story. They know his pedigree. They know that the Watt boys are late bloomers of sorts. They know they are blue collar guys. They know they are high character human beings.
Pass rushers don't grow on trees. When TJ was sitting there, it seemed too good to be true. A match made in heaven for most Packer fans that not only knew what TJ had to offer, but knew that GB needed to insert some pass rushers. And then TT trades back. Kaboom.
On his rookie year, TJ has 46 tackles, 6 sacks, 7 passes defensed and 1 INT
CM has 41 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 2 passes defensed and 0 INT
Perry has 38 tackles, 7 sacks, 0 passes defensed and 0 INT
In 8 games, Biegel has 14 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 passes defensed and 0 INT
Couple all of that into King's injury woes and it looks a bit bleak.
So yea... we won't really "know" for another 3 years. But I think we have a pretty good idea of what's to come here.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... but I think TT fukked this one up bigly.
Looks like he is an average player.
Biegel was injured and this is basically a redshirt year. Won't have any real idea if TT made a mistake for several years.
Yes, only time will tell. In addition, not all sacks are created equally......I went back and looked at all 6 of Watt's sacks. On only 1 of them did he just cleanly beat the blocker. On the other 5 he was either; not blocked at all, the pocket collapsed in the middle & QB had no where to go, or the QB could not find a receiver open and began to run out of the pocket to his side. Not saying the kid isn't going to be really good, just saying I'm not sure that if in the same exact situation, many rushers would have gotten those sacks.
King basically was hurt all year as well and both players need a healthy camp.
Has drafting fragile players been a TT problem? It obviously feels that way from a Packer perspective, but I don't know if it is true. I like King a lot, but if his shoulder problems from college become chronic as a pro, then it was a poor risk to take. I like TJ as a player, but at the draft my biggest worry was him being fragile.
All I know is that if Ted does not draft Jack Cichy I'm off the bandwagon forever.
I was happy the first couple years that GB had Lacy instead of Bell. Time will tell...
King tore his left labrum in 2013. Was good in 2014 but then he doesn't remember when he started having problems with it again, late during the 2015 season or early in 2016. It already appears to be a chronic issue as the initial injury occurred in 2013 and it was still a problem in 2017 after it apparently had been fixed.
Biggest problem with the King situation wasn't picking him but not properly backfilling cornerback spots when the Packers knew he had a problem immediately when he came into rookie orientation. There should have been a mad front office scramble to start adequately filling cornerback spots as soon as Rollins was IR'ed but the first cornerback move didn't happen until 2.5 weeks later when the Packers put Donatello Brown on the 53 man roster. And that obviously was not a cornerback fix because nearly 2 months later he has totaled 1 snap on defense and 11 snaps on special teams. Then when the inevitable happens and King goes down, the Packers way to fix that is to bring Demetri Goodson off the PUP list when Goodson is still hurt and couldn't play. So when it comes to the most critical, must-win game of the year, the Packers throw Rodgers on the field and risk his health when they only had 2 cornerbacks on the roster that they trusted to play 5+ snaps in the game and one of those 2 cornerbacks is Josh Hawkins. Complete organizational failure.
It's almost like Ted forgets he still has a job to do from September through December.
Not sure where to put this but according to the MMQB today there have been 50 head coaching changes in the last seven years.....seems to me that the pool may be shrinking. A team with a good coach should think long and hard about replacing him.
GBFanForLife posted:Looks like he is an average player.
Not sure about that(yet), but one thing's for sure - TWatt plays on a very good defense. That kinda effects ones productivity.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...?li=BBnba9I#image=13
MM not on this list. Means Capers is safe another year?
Yes, all GM's go to MSN.com for their personnel decisions.
An argument could be made that with Dom Capers setting up the schemes and calling the plays I'm not sure TJ Watt would be successful in Green Bay.
The JSO article today about Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde (All Pros) albeit with other teams- says a lot about the talent recognition and placement and development under Dom Capers leadership.
Edited this for you-
An argument could be made that with Dom Capers setting up the schemes and calling the plays I'm not sure JJ Watt would be successful in Green Bay.
^^^ It also says a lot about how TT evaluates talent.
Tschmack posted:An argument could be made that with Dom Capers setting up the schemes and calling the plays I'm not sure TJ Watt would be successful in Green Bay.
The JSO article today about Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde (All Pros) albeit with other teams- says a lot about the talent recognition and placement and development under Dom Capers leadership.
And that the front office brought back Davon House, who couldn't get off the bench when playing for one of the worst teams in the NFL, says a lot about the front office's (and likely Joe Whitt) ability to evaluate talent. Also says a lot about why the cornerbacks couldn't cover anybody in 2017.
Well at least the Packers have a pretty decent draft position and with Josh Hawkins, Lenzy Pipkens and Donatello Brown now developed and ready to go they won't have to worry about CB in 2018.
Let's just hope Kevin King doesn't have ongoing injury issues with his shoulder or Vince Biegel with his feet. Oh they already do? Got it!!
Seven in coverage and two receivers and both are open. Appears to be the soft zone coverage that Dom specializes in.
No one learns schemes like that overnight
michiganjoe posted:
Seven in coverage and two receivers and both are open. Appears to be the soft zone coverage that Dom specializes in.
Actually three receivers are open. The guy at the top of the screen, the guy standing at the 30 for at least a 7 yard gain and the back at the 20 just below the lower has mark is also open on the checkdown (the closest defender at the 28 has his hips turned the wrong way for some unknown reason).
How can anyone looking at this like TT and MM think COACHING is not a problem?
Didn't watch the game Saturday as we had family over. Watched first half last night. Hundley is INCOMPETENT. MM's stubbornness over loyalty to peole like him and Capers is his achilles heel.
YATittle posted:How can anyone looking at this like TT and MM think COACHING is not a problem?
Stroke face!
PackerJoe posted:Tschmack posted:An argument could be made that with Dom Capers setting up the schemes and calling the plays I'm not sure TJ Watt would be successful in Green Bay.
The JSO article today about Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde (All Pros) albeit with other teams- says a lot about the talent recognition and placement and development under Dom Capers leadership.
And that the front office brought back Davon House, who couldn't get off the bench when playing for one of the worst teams in the NFL, says a lot about the front office's (and likely Joe Whitt) ability to evaluate talent. Also says a lot about why the cornerbacks couldn't cover anybody in 2017.
Well at least the Packers have a pretty decent draft position and with Josh Hawkins, Lenzy Pipkens and Donatello Brown now developed and ready to go they won't have to worry about CB in 2018.
Also if memory serves me, Herb Waters was supposed to be the next Tramon. (He got injured before the season) At least according to Witt he was a budding star.
MichiganPacker posted:michiganjoe posted:
Seven in coverage and two receivers and both are open. Appears to be the soft zone coverage that Dom specializes in.
Actually three receivers are open. The guy at the top of the screen, the guy standing at the 30 for at least a 7 yard gain and the back at the 20 just below the lower has mark is also open on the checkdown (the closest defender at the 28 has his hips turned the wrong way for some unknown reason).
I'm more worried about the guy at the 38 yard line. Exactly who is he running towards to cover?
...whichever receiver caught the ball and ran past 5 defenders.
seriously though, did TT have a stroke? everytime i see him flashed in the booth, he's got that kind of face going...yeesh.
michiganjoe posted:
Seven in coverage and two receivers and both are open. Appears to be the soft zone coverage that Dom specializes in.
That's called keeping the offense in front of you. 
Joey "bag of donuts" says....."It is time"..........
pkr_north posted:seriously though, did TT have a stroke? everytime i see him flashed in the booth, he's got that kind of face going...yeesh.
Maybe he died and they just hall his ass around ala Weekend At Bernie's....
pkr_north posted:seriously though, did TT have a stroke? everytime i see him flashed in the booth, he's got that kind of face going...yeesh.
Iâve been saying for a couple years now he has that look on his face like he has dementia and I'm not joking when I say that
