If MM says something about "looking at the film" I'm going to lose it.
Bring in Holmgren with the understanding that if TT doesn't get it fixed, he assumes the GM position as well.
MM has to go. Every week, every year its the same crap with this team. Nothing is "fixed"
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
You need your head examined if you think TT with 3 years remaining on his deal is going to get fired.
MM OTOH is done. It's quite clear he cannot coach a football team.
I'm beginning to wonder if Farve just flat out disobeyed MM on certain occasions during the 13-3 season
Maybe my previous claim that Favre would make a better coach than MM doesn't sound so ridiculous anymore.
Yeah, when you sign your franchise QB to a long term mega deal you would think you would bring him in some protection... Between the assine playcalling and the absolutely lost Offensive in everyway Line, this season has been much worse than I thought it could ever be. Even if the line had played just average, this team could be 6-2 or better. I know you cant blame the OL for everything because AR is taking 4-6 seconds to throw the ball every drop back, but this is getting ridiculous. WHERE ARE THE ADJUSTMENTS?
Greg Bedard "Pray for me" RE his upcoming chat tonight on JsOnline.
That along with GBPG's chat will be nothing short of brutal.
That along with GBPG's chat will be nothing short of brutal.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
Hell, I would give Holmgren the keys and that means getting rid of both MM and TT. Seriously, could it get any worse?
There is no way McCarthy should survive this season. In all reality, TT probably should not be far behind and I've been one of his biggest advocates but this team is trending downward.
I am feeling this sentiment, also. This is not very good team, obviously, and it is time to "re-tool" once again. No more "fixing". I have been a fan of TT, but I am seeing week by week that this good feeling towards TT is mostly unfounded. MM is beyond cooked...
TT will survive, but absent an absolutely miraculous turnaround in the remainder of the season MM is gone, and justifiably so.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
You need your head examined if you think TT with 3 years remaining on his deal is going to get fired.
Then enjoy watching mediocre football teams. So far as a GM Thompson is 35-37 and the organization is showing no signs of improvement at all.
Holmgren sucked in Seattle when they gave him total control.quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Bring in Holmgren with the understanding that if TT doesn't get it fixed, he assumes the GM position as well.
quote:Originally posted by Anthony Dilweed:
Bring on the pitchforks
LOL, you have died and gone to heaven, haven't you?
I am against fire ring a coach mid season.
Here is the but; TT has to be think about AROD's health. MM is getting him killed.
Here is the but; TT has to be think about AROD's health. MM is getting him killed.
quote:Originally posted by Liam:
Just MM
Almost.
There's enough talent present to win, but it isn't happening.
That's coaching.
Buh-bye.
McCarthy has to go. It's obvious. Thompson still has a little leash with me. Maybe this embarassment today will make him see that its time to start spending money.
quote:Originally posted by PackManCA:Holmgren sucked in Seattle when they gave him total control.quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Bring in Holmgren with the understanding that if TT doesn't get it fixed, he assumes the GM position as well.
Took them to the Super Bowl. He can't help the myriad of injuries that team suffered.
quote:Originally posted by PackManCA:Holmgren sucked in Seattle when they gave him total control.quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Bring in Holmgren with the understanding that if TT doesn't get it fixed, he assumes the GM position as well.
Yeah, it wasn't until TT, of all people, came in and built a SB team.
Everyone can stop dreaming of getting some top notch coach. None of those guys are going to come here to work under Ted Thompson (And I used to support Thompson).
quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
I am against fire ring a coach mid season.
Here is the but; TT has to be think about AROD's health. MM is getting him killed.
Well then TT should not only think about firing McCarthy but he should also think about resignation because he has completely failed at putting together a decent offensive line.
Five off-seasons to do it and I don't think Thompson has added a single "above-average" NFL starting offensive lineman to the roster.
Took them to the Super Bowl. He can't help the myriad of injuries that team suffered.[/QUOTE]He lost his GM duties the year before he took them to the playoffs against us.
Why should TT survive? When he came in, he said he wasn't going to blow up the team.. and he did. The last good season we had, the QB of the team was the same guy he ran out of town. I know, I like Aaron alot.. but man, something is wrong somewhere on this team. I dont think it's his leadership or skills, I think it's his ambition to make the big play all the time. He really holds the ball too long and is indecisive at times, especially critical moments. This can be fixed, but he needs a coach to put him in a rhythm offensively.. and keep him on task. Remember, he is just a 2nd year guy and despite being one of the top 3 talented QBs in the league, he shows a lapse in decision making at times.
TT's drafts have been ok, but he has not addressed holes in the team through Free Agency with Veterans that could have made large impacts on this team. TT does not want to make the big move to put this team over the top, it seems like he is always in the "building" mode. I think it's time we bring in an End game GM.. we have superbowl capable talent on this team and it's time we add to it.. not build and tear down constantly.
TT's drafts have been ok, but he has not addressed holes in the team through Free Agency with Veterans that could have made large impacts on this team. TT does not want to make the big move to put this team over the top, it seems like he is always in the "building" mode. I think it's time we bring in an End game GM.. we have superbowl capable talent on this team and it's time we add to it.. not build and tear down constantly.
quote:Originally posted by PackerJoe:quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
I am against fire ring a coach mid season.
Here is the but; TT has to be think about AROD's health. MM is getting him killed.
Well then TT should not only think about firing McCarthy but he should also think about resignation because he has completely failed at putting together a decent offensive line.
Five off-seasons to do it and I don't think Thompson has added a single "above-average" NFL starting offensive lineman to the roster.
I'll take one average one.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by Anthony Dilweed:
Bring on the pitchforks
LOL, you have died and gone to heaven, haven't you?
no, but I gotta admit this is pretty damn good.
reminds me a lot of XXXII, game in the bag, why even play it. this is why you play the game.
Tampa Bay had 11 sacks all year coming into today. Today they had SIX!
MM just threw himself on the sword in post game interview with Larry McCarren:
"The loss starts with me. I didn't have the team prepared."
Thanks for at least standing up and admitting you failed today. Having said that, it doesn't change what the verdict should be on your Head Coaching career in Green Bay.
It is time that Mark Murphy man up and show some leadership by telling TT that McCarthy needs to go---now, midseason. We don't need this team's spirit completely broken before we can him after the season is over.
"The loss starts with me. I didn't have the team prepared."
Thanks for at least standing up and admitting you failed today. Having said that, it doesn't change what the verdict should be on your Head Coaching career in Green Bay.
It is time that Mark Murphy man up and show some leadership by telling TT that McCarthy needs to go---now, midseason. We don't need this team's spirit completely broken before we can him after the season is over.
Who do we replace him with? Capers? Philbin? Those guys suck even worse than McCarthy.quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
MM just threw himself on the sword in post game interview with Larry McCarren:
"The loss starts with me. I didn't have the team prepared."
Thanks for at least standing up and admitting you failed today. Having said that, it doesn't change what the verdict should be on your Head Coaching career in Green Bay.
It is time that Mark Murphy man up and show some leadership by telling TT that McCarthy needs to go---now, midseason. We don't need this team's spirit completely broken before we can him after the season is over.
I've been saying for years that Thompson is a schlub and probably ought to be out on his ass.
Here's the thing. Fire Campen and Slocum now. If things don't improve, fire MM at the end of the season.
quote:Originally posted by PackManCA:Who do we replace him with? Capers? Philbin? Those guys suck even worse than McCarthy.quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
MM just threw himself on the sword in post game interview with Larry McCarren:
"The loss starts with me. I didn't have the team prepared."
Thanks for at least standing up and admitting you failed today. Having said that, it doesn't change what the verdict should be on your Head Coaching career in Green Bay.
It is time that Mark Murphy man up and show some leadership by telling TT that McCarthy needs to go---now, midseason. We don't need this team's spirit completely broken before we can him after the season is over.
Moss would be next in line as the AHC.
I'd like to hear Mark Murphy say that he expects the Packers to be a playoff level team this year. Then it puts the heat on TT, MM, and the players to get that goal accomplished. Anything less than a playoff spot and heads would roll.
If the decision was solely up to me I'd clean house ... things aren't working out, and the Packers are not making enough strides to allow MM, TT, and whoever else enough time to get it fixed.
If the decision was solely up to me I'd clean house ... things aren't working out, and the Packers are not making enough strides to allow MM, TT, and whoever else enough time to get it fixed.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I dont think it's his leadership .
Can I have some of what you are somking?
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Why should TT survive? When he came in, he said he wasn't going to blow up the team.. and he did. The last good season we had, the QB of the team was the same guy he ran out of town.
Diggr-honestly it's about the $$$$ IMO. Packers spent a crap load on him +mm+ Capers. To get rid of all 3, that's a lot of wasted dough. Then you're talking about hiring an entirely new staff and GM. Packers won't spend that kind of cash.
They will pay and keep TT at least through 2010 and frankly beyond that because with a new HC, 1st year will be a wash regardless.
Better dilemma is what do you do with Capers? Bringing in a new HC (and I am all for that) means he will want his guys. But Packers threw alot of money at Dom. So likely this new HC will need to jive with Capers.
As we sit here today, it's a mess. And TT needs to clean it up.
What do you think will be mike m's next coaching job
quote:Originally posted by Monroe:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I dont think it's his leadership .
Can I have some of what you are somking?
I was referring to AR not MM.
MM is a horrid leader as a HC, I've been saying it for years (since hiring him from a failure SF team 4 years ago). Check the log.
Take the bullet out of MM's gun. We couldn't wound ourselves any further. Not only fire MM but the ass wipe that made him coach.
quote:Originally posted by PackManCA:Who do we replace him with? Capers? Philbin? Those guys suck even worse than McCarthy.quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
MM just threw himself on the sword in post game interview with Larry McCarren:
"The loss starts with me. I didn't have the team prepared."
Thanks for at least standing up and admitting you failed today. Having said that, it doesn't change what the verdict should be on your Head Coaching career in Green Bay.
It is time that Mark Murphy man up and show some leadership by telling TT that McCarthy needs to go---now, midseason. We don't need this team's spirit completely broken before we can him after the season is over.
I would have said Capers, because his teams were at least disciplined in Texas and Carolina. However, with the dissension in the locker room, I don't know if that would work out right now.
Hell, I would give Shanahan a shot mid-season. If you figure this team is going nowhere under MM the remainder of the season, what harm is done bringing a new coach in midseason.
He at least is familar with the offense we run (and the crappy ZBS). Of the big names out there, Cowher and Holmgren only come in if they are also GMs.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Better dilemma is what do you do with Capers? Bringing in a new HC (and I am all for that) means he will want his guys. But Packers threw alot of money at Dom. So likely this new HC will need to jive with Capers.
As we sit here today, it's a mess. And TT needs to clean it up.
If TT could hire Cowher, he'd probably keep Capers as DC.
I seriously doubt Cowher would come here, though. It's almost a foregone conclusion he'll be the head guy in Carolina next year.