quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
I've been thinking about mm BSing us with the "overworked them this week" inanity.
If he thinks he can get away with that BS in public I shudder to think what crock mm is coming up with in the lockerroom.
If he thinks he can get away with that BS in public I shudder to think what crock mm is coming up with in the lockerroom.
That might be the problem ... in the locker room you CAN'T get away with that BS.
quote:Originally posted by lynndickey83:
Two words for the TT/MM haters--personal accountability. Thompson and McCarthy are about 30% responsible for this 4-4 record. The players play, and they are not playing well. Jamie Dukes said it best on the NFL network, "The Packers are too talented to be be 4-4." That means the players are not playing up to their abilities and they are not executing. Rodgers is 10-14 as a starter and there is not one player on this team that should not be embarrassed about today's game.
A win over Dallas at Lambeau will point us in the right direction.
Are you serious?
Who puts out the scheme that offers absolutely no pressure on an opposing QB? Coaches.
Who opted to play a quality DL (Kampy) at LB!!? Coaches.
Who decides to expose their franchise QB to endless sacking because they're such "offensive geniuses"? Coaches.
Who hangs on to proven useless assistant coaches in spite of endless f***-ups (Slocum, Campen for starters)? Head coach.
Who sticks with an insanely incompetent line scheme known as ZBS when it simply continues to be...er...incompetent? Coaches.
Who calls long, downfield passes when your offensive line couldn't block Blair's mother-in-law as proven throughout the entire season so far? Coaches.
Who's in charge of inspiring players to achieve greatness and has so far utterly failed in that arena? Coaches.
Who was blind enough to not note that his offensive tackles were about to implode and opted to do nothing about it? GM (yup, we needed another WR in the 2nd round).
And that's just off the top of my head.
Enough. Murphy better be calling Cowher as we speak or he's toast, too. Money and eating contracts are not issues with this franchise. Cut bait and let's get someone back in this organization who knows how to win.
quote:Originally posted by rastapackermon:quote:Originally posted by lynndickey83:
Two words for the TT/MM haters--personal accountability. Thompson and McCarthy are about 30% responsible for this 4-4 record. The players play, and they are not playing well. Jamie Dukes said it best on the NFL network, "The Packers are too talented to be be 4-4." That means the players are not playing up to their abilities and they are not executing. Rodgers is 10-14 as a starter and there is not one player on this team that should not be embarrassed about today's game.
A win over Dallas at Lambeau will point us in the right direction.
Are you serious?
Who puts out the scheme that offers absolutely no pressure on an opposing QB? Coaches.
Who opted to play a quality DL (Kampy) at LB!!? Coaches.
Who decides to expose their franchise QB to endless sacking because they're such "offensive geniuses"? Coaches.
Who hangs on to proven useless assistant coaches in spite of endless f***-ups (Slocum, Campen for starters)? Head coach.
Who sticks with an insanely incompetent line scheme known as ZBS when it simply continues to be...er...incompetent? Coaches.
Who calls long, downfield passes when your offensive line couldn't block Blair's mother-in-law as proven throughout the entire season so far? Coaches.
Who's in charge of inspiring players to achieve greatness and has so far utterly failed in that arena? Coaches.
Who was blind enough to not note that his offensive tackles were about to implode and opted to do nothing about it? GM (yup, we needed another WR in the 2nd round).
And that's just off the top of my head.
Enough. Murphy better be calling Cowher as we speak or he's toast, too. Money and eating contracts are not issues with this franchise. Cut bait and let's get someone back in this organization who knows how to win.
Best post of this thread.
Problem with MM firing his coaching staff, is that I don't trust him to be smart enough to hire a crew that's any better. Halfway through the season, there's not really enough time to see if they pan out anyway.
I think numero uno that needs to hit the street is TT. Some errors on the job are so aggregious (sp?) that they call for a firing even though it only happened once. That is, in Ted's case, completely failing to build even an average offensive line in five years. Not to mention hiring a coach that's never been a winner in the NFL. Five years is enough time in the NFL to judge a GM's job performance. This team is getting worse, not better. It's time to move on.
Naturally, that means there will be a new head coach and coaching staff.
If Mark Murphy is worth anything at all, he will land the best GM available - who that is, I'm not sure. But, I would be talking to Cowher and Shannahan to see what their intentions are - do they just want to coach, or do they want to run the whole show? Because that will help Murphy decide whether he wants a coach/GM, or just a GM, and it's a proactive move to see if maybe they do just want to coach, and gives him the opportunity to start possible negotiations before the end of the season when everyone else is competing with us for their services.
I prefer GM and coach, not a GM/coach. I think history shows GM/coaches are far less successful than being separate jobs.
What I do know for sure, and have for some time, is that MM is too dumb to be an NFL coach (Dumbass McCarthy), and TT's performance has gone from average to just plain bad. Time for Mark Murphy to step up and earn his paycheck.
quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Seattle really suffered from TT's drafting.
Just a horrific, frustrating weekend of football for this Notre Dame and Green Bay fan. Two teams which lost to vastly inferior teams because of horrible coaching. Tried to support MM for a while but, like Charlie Weis, he is in over his head...Peter principle at work. Would not be surprised to see this team finish 6-10.
MM and TT both need to go after this season.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Seattle really suffered from TT's drafting.
You do understand that the Seahawks made the Super Bowl AFTER Thompson left, and AFTER new president/GM Tim Ruskell made numerous moves. In his first draft with the club in 2005, Ruskell selected C Chris Spencer, LBs Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, all starters. He also signed numerous key free agents.
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run.
Geez, this appeal to authority fallacy- "talk to any knowledgeable Seahawks fan" is another classic. Keep em coming.
quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Seattle really suffered from TT's drafting.
You do understand that the Seahawks made the Super Bowl AFTER Thompson left, and AFTER new president/GM Tim Ruskell made numerous moves. In his first draft with the club in 2005, Ruskell selected C Chris Spencer, LBs Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, all starters. He also signed numerous key free agents.
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run.
Yeah, none of the guys drafted by TT contributed at all to the Seahawks run. Ruskell made "numerous" key free agents? Go read the lineup from that Superbowl team and see what TT brought in.
Maybe you can find a conspiracy in that as well.
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
You know LB....I was thinking the the halftime score could have easily been 28-0.
How can you let a middle man go untouched to the punter?
Why on earth are you throwing long passes on the second series, when you already have a lead and can take advantage of using the run? By the way, this is not hindsight...when the Packers got the ball the second time, I specifically said..."OK, now establish the run"
How do you let a team go 90 yards for a field goal at the end of the half?
So what you said about keeping the games close is so true. I bet at 21-7 or 21-0 the game would have been over, with a much better outcome.
(Boy this season seems very Ray Rhodes like)
good post
agree
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan.
I know one thing any knowledgeable X4 posters knows that ,you only show up when the Packer lose.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Seattle really suffered from TT's drafting.
You do understand that the Seahawks made the Super Bowl AFTER Thompson left, and AFTER new president/GM Tim Ruskell made numerous moves. In his first draft with the club in 2005, Ruskell selected C Chris Spencer, LBs Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, all starters. He also signed numerous key free agents.
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run.
Yeah, none of the guys drafted by TT contributed at all to the Seahawks run. Ruskell made "numerous" key free agents? Go read the lineup from that Superbowl team and see what TT brought in.
Maybe you can find a conspiracy in that as well.
The Seahawks had EIGHT new starters on defense in 2005. That's not a conspiracy. That's a fact.
I'm not saying that Thompson didn't have anything to do with the makeup of the roster. I'm just saying that the Seahawks made numerous key additions AFTER Thompson left.
But you posted "talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run."
Again you're giving us false dilemma fallacies. Which is it? He gets some credit or none????????
Can't have it both ways.
Again you're giving us false dilemma fallacies. Which is it? He gets some credit or none????????
Can't have it both ways.
quote:Originally posted by BTP:quote:Originally posted by barrister:
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan.
I know one thing any knowledgeable X4 posters knows that ,you only show up when the Packer lose.
Then you must not be paying attention. Do you ever see me following the games on the game threads, and celebrating the Packers' success? The posts are there. Go check.
I've been a life-long Packer fan, having been born and raised in WI. I'm a Packer shareholder. When they renovated Lambeau, I bought a couple bricks, noting my life-long love affair with the Packers.
I hate seeing the Packers struggle, and I hate seeing them lose to arguably the worst team in the league. This is a dark day for any Packer fan. This loss hurt. Period. Unlike the Packer fans that I know that previously got joy out of seeing the Packers lose because they didn't like the GM, HC, or certain player, I never like to see the Packers lose.
I've enjoyed seeing Rodgers progress, and I believe he is the future of the franchise. I would love to see him win the Lombardi Trophy in green & gold. But I question whether that is possible under the current regime.
Your actions speak so loudly that I can't hear what you're saying.
Tom P from the GBPG said in chat today highly unlikely the Packers will eat some 16 million dollars (or more) in eating 3+years of contract money for MM and TT. Plus you have a very highly paid DC.
So barring a complete meltdown and 4-12 season, I think TT stays. I think Capers stays. MM is more then likely shown the door.
A new HC is hired who will work with Dom (hell it could even be Dom himself).
So barring a complete meltdown and 4-12 season, I think TT stays. I think Capers stays. MM is more then likely shown the door.
A new HC is hired who will work with Dom (hell it could even be Dom himself).
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
Then you must not be paying attention. .
I dont have to check any check anything cpt.dumphuck,but if you must the proof is there. You've shown up after both Viking losses to bitch and the second one you hung around most of the week to bitch. Then showed up to bitch today later on in the game thread.
http://timesfour.com/eve/forum...osts&u=941107321&p=1
Oh goody, you're one the main people Boris is EXACTLY talking about in the pinned up thread on top here.
Hey,I know,maybe you could go make the same thread on as many Packerboard you have bookmarked,then stay on the one you get the most attention on.
Oh wait,Whoops,that's exactly what you do. What was I thinking there.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
But you posted "talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run."
Again you're giving us false dilemma fallacies. Which is it? He gets some credit or none????????
Can't have it both ways.
I visit message boards for numerous NFL teams, just to see what they are talking about. I used to be the resident Packer fan on some of those sites. Those days have passed, because my schedule simply doesn't permit it (family, work, etc.). I don't even visit the Packers sites as much as I used too.
Anyway, when we hired Thompson, I visited some Seahawks sites to see what they were saying about him. I distinctly remember people talking about the additions that were made AFTER Thompson. Later, people specifically argued how Thompson's departure helped them reach the Super Bowl, because the Hawks took a more aggressive approach in free agency.
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
I visit message boards for numerous NFL teams
then go be a turd burglar on there boards.
quote:Originally posted by BTP:quote:Originally posted by barrister:
I visit message boards for numerous NFL teams
then go be a turd burglar on there boards.
For the record, what is the problem here, that I want to see McCarthy & Thompson go? What is your position? Do you want to keep both? I just don't get it...
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
For the record, what is the problem here.
The problem here is you're a giant piece of crap that only shows up to bitch when the Packers lose.
I don't know,I thought I was pretty clear the first time on that. Dropped on your head as baby,were you?
quote:Originally posted by Music City:
What's Bill Cowher doing these days?
Waiting for the CAR job to open.
GB has a franchise QB and some integral pieces... the Packers are closer than the Panthers by a lot.
quote:Originally posted by Music City:
GB has a franchise QB and some integral pieces... the Packers are closer than the Panthers by a lot.
Not according to Google maps.
quote:Originally posted by BTP:quote:Originally posted by barrister:
For the record, what is the problem here.
The problem here is you're a giant piece of crap that only shows up to bitch when the Packers lose.
I don't know,I thought I was pretty clear the first time on that. Dropped on your head as baby,were you?
Well, since we're being honest...
I take it you swim in a very shallow, angry gene pool. Please do humanity a favor and use birth control.
And consider taking a remedial English class.
Alright ENOUGH.
Take this to a PM. Or enjoy X4 in a read-only basis. Because privledges will be yanked.
We are done with this back and forth crap.
Take this to a PM. Or enjoy X4 in a read-only basis. Because privledges will be yanked.
We are done with this back and forth crap.
There will not be another nixing/editing of your post again. Because you will no longer be posting if you need to be edited/deleted. See "Enough is Enough" pinned thread.
If we hope to have a shred of salvaging something out of this season, MM needs to quit calling plays THIS WEEK. Hand the playbook over to Clements or Philbin, get his eyes off the sheet in his hand, and start watching the action on the field. He needs to make everyone accountable, and his arse should be first in line. Calling plays has allowed him to insulate himself from what's happening on the field, in the locker room, and behind his back. "I've got to see the film" is an admission that he can't see/doesn't know what's happening on the field. It's something not even an OC or DC would say. Calling his own plays will be his, and the Packers' downfall (or so I've said again and again...).
Oh, and the ST coach needs to go bye-bye. Now. He shouldn't have even been allowed on the plane home!
Oh, and the ST coach needs to go bye-bye. Now. He shouldn't have even been allowed on the plane home!
Who in their right mind hires Shawn Slocum? What's the thinking, "Let's see, Stock is terrible, so let's hire his assistant." There were plenty of experienced ST coaches available in the offseason.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by barrister:quote:Originally posted by the-icon:
Thompson would be a good director of COLLEGE WIDE RECEIVER scouting.
Fixed that for you.
Seattle really suffered from TT's drafting.
You do understand that the Seahawks made the Super Bowl AFTER Thompson left, and AFTER new president/GM Tim Ruskell made numerous moves. In his first draft with the club in 2005, Ruskell selected C Chris Spencer, LBs Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill, all starters. He also signed numerous key free agents.
Talk to any knowledgeable Seahawk fan, and none of them give Thompson credit for that Super Bowl run.
Yeah, none of the guys drafted by TT contributed at all to the Seahawks run. Ruskell made "numerous" key free agents? Go read the lineup from that Superbowl team and see what TT brought in.
Maybe you can find a conspiracy in that as well.
Who cares what he did in Seattle? He's screwing up the Green Bay Packers.
quote:I cannot believe you guys let the Bucs beat you. Damn.
It is rather embarassing isn't it.
Considering we were up by 11 in the fourth quarter, quite amazing.
TT is totally at fault for not strengthening the O-line -specially with all the cap money avail.
MM - I'll blame him for two things.
Special Teams coaching - How many times (3 or 4) have we had our momentum crushed after a TD by giving up a huge return. And a blocked punt today...was a game changer...
AR Coaching... uh... they either need to come up with some quick-hitter routes, screen passes, etc, OR coach AR to get rid of the ball. The line has given up sacks, but some of these are cases where AR is just not getting rid of the ball, or finding the open receiver
6-4 after T-day could save our season, but what could have been a playoff hunt is about to turn into draft pick derby
quote:Originally posted by Monroe:
Best quote of the year, is this a quote?
TT does bear a good share of the fault, but mostly for hiring MM. Right now our coaches couldn't coach a team of fifth-graders. MM has no consistent, coherent game plan. Every time something starts to work and the team gets in a groove, he changes it up and ends up screwing it up. Today he starts with a quick pass, then the heave to Jones. Later in the game they run with pretty good success with Grant and even Green, but as soon as it looks like it starts to work he tries to out-cute the other coach by going to passes, and phhttttt there goes our rhythm. It's clear he's desperate and pulling at straws... 
Even during the time our ground game was working, he tried what? one play action pass? (That play actually did buy AR some time.) Any decent coach would have kept running, tossed in play action, but the first time a play gains zero yards, our guy yells, "Abandon ship!" and switches away from success.
Say what you will about Holmgren, but he would have continued shoving Grant and Green down the Bucs' throats until the creamsicles either melted or proved they could stop what was working.
Even during the time our ground game was working, he tried what? one play action pass? (That play actually did buy AR some time.) Any decent coach would have kept running, tossed in play action, but the first time a play gains zero yards, our guy yells, "Abandon ship!" and switches away from success.
Say what you will about Holmgren, but he would have continued shoving Grant and Green down the Bucs' throats until the creamsicles either melted or proved they could stop what was working.
quote:Originally posted by 4 Favre:
I say can 'em both. Is the TT talent as bad as they look, or is it just the coaching? Not sure... but at this point maybe it's best to just get rid of the both of them so the Favre thing is more quickly put in the past.
This makes great sense, clean slate, new guys do not have the resentment from at least 50% of fans. No one to blame, only excitement and positve vibes with a new GM & coaching regime. Nice post!
BTW: I didn't get to watch today's game... how did Mighty Taush do?