It just sticks in my craw the queens collude and raid our players and suck 17 million out of revenue sharing and we pay 4 million into it. It's like that dang sandlot franchise is rewarded for raiding our players and we still have to pay part of their salary.
If it weren't the queens, my craw wouldn't be so sore.
quote:2. I thought TT made many of his final roster cuts based on guys being good special teams players. In fact, I seem to have heard more of that talk this year -- "he can play special teams" -- than ever before. Yet, special teams cost the Packers the game.
This still kills me. We kept Hall who has been hurt and Bush who sucks over more depth and potential such as Meredith.
I remember when we cut Jerald Sowell because we needed other areas. Instead, 3 flipping FB's? Just plain assanine.
Pretty sure the delicate Mr. Longwell had no desire or intention of continuing to kick in GB.
You are correct, Blueshound. Longwell wanted to leave GB and play for an indoor or warm weather team to get the recognition and make the Pro Bowl. Besides, he clearly stated his disdain for all things Applebees.
With MM's ineptitude on offense and the coaching carousel on defense, I'm not sure anyone can tell how much real talent is on the Packers. If some of the rumors are true (making Capers go straight 3-4 vs. under scheme to utilize Kampman and the corners, McCarthy wanting Favre gone because of audibles, etc.) then MM should already have a door-shaped dent in his backside.
I haven't agreed with TT on a number of things (including hiring MM instead of going after Payton) or his impact in Seattle (two decent drafts) but I do think he deserves a chance to hire another coach and see if he really has aquired some quality talent. If Murphy tells him to open the purse strings a bit, so be it, but I think Thompson is smart enough to listen and hopefully learn.
I haven't agreed with TT on a number of things (including hiring MM instead of going after Payton) or his impact in Seattle (two decent drafts) but I do think he deserves a chance to hire another coach and see if he really has aquired some quality talent. If Murphy tells him to open the purse strings a bit, so be it, but I think Thompson is smart enough to listen and hopefully learn.
Herschel I tend to agree. The only problem is- it seems that there has been a mindset established among the players on the roster.
You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
The mindset was established imo under the Sherman regime, which lets many players get fat and comfy with no real threat of losing their job. It gets more and more clear to me that this attitude is still thriving on McCarthy's squad.
Head-butt a guy? I'll see you in my office but you won't be losing your starting position this week. Blow an assignment for the 3rd, 4th, 5th time? Well you're here for the sole purpose of kick coverage cuz God knows you can't cover anyone, so get back out on the field Jarrett.
You listen to many of the guys on this team after a loss, and the attitude is nonchalant. They're getting paid, but do they really care about winning games...or, by chance, getting better?
Tramon Williams effort on that kick coverage- the 83 yarder, was downright sad.
His botched return was just as bad. I like the guy, but after being abused by TOG the week before you'd think he'd wanna show a bit more effort.
It's too easy to use the old Lombardi adages, but there needs to be more of a sense of "perform or you're gone" in Green Bay. The nice guy approach has brought us to this point, and this team is comfortably sinking fast.
You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
The mindset was established imo under the Sherman regime, which lets many players get fat and comfy with no real threat of losing their job. It gets more and more clear to me that this attitude is still thriving on McCarthy's squad.
Head-butt a guy? I'll see you in my office but you won't be losing your starting position this week. Blow an assignment for the 3rd, 4th, 5th time? Well you're here for the sole purpose of kick coverage cuz God knows you can't cover anyone, so get back out on the field Jarrett.
You listen to many of the guys on this team after a loss, and the attitude is nonchalant. They're getting paid, but do they really care about winning games...or, by chance, getting better?
Tramon Williams effort on that kick coverage- the 83 yarder, was downright sad.
His botched return was just as bad. I like the guy, but after being abused by TOG the week before you'd think he'd wanna show a bit more effort.
It's too easy to use the old Lombardi adages, but there needs to be more of a sense of "perform or you're gone" in Green Bay. The nice guy approach has brought us to this point, and this team is comfortably sinking fast.
Now that I think about it, the lax attitude was there under Rhodes too, and possibly the last year or two under Holmgren.
quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:quote:Originally posted by trump:
NO way, Longwell is where he belongs. POS.
Great comeback, trump.
POS and mercenary queen whore.
That just the nature of the business. I don't blame any player for signing with the highest bidder. Bottom-line is Longwell should have, and could have, been kept.
and again, no way.
quote:You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
It was just a year ago when people were quick to exclaim how Payton was a failure and McCarthy was the better choice. Now Payton is the Godsend of the Saints and McCarthy is on his way out. Just 1 year.
quote:Originally posted by Music City:quote:You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
It was just a year ago when people were quick to exclaim how Payton was a failure and McCarthy was the better choice. Now Payton is the Godsend of the Saints and McCarthy is on his way out. Just 1 year.
it was a little over a year ago and he just got married ... i'm not sayin, well ... yes i am.
Obviously, he's the poster boy for performance anxiety. 
quote:Originally posted by Music City:quote:You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
It was just a year ago when people were quick to exclaim how Payton was a failure and McCarthy was the better choice. Now Payton is the Godsend of the Saints and McCarthy is on his way out. Just 1 year.
About a year ago the Saints beat us 51-29.
quote:Originally posted by artis:
You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
He's just the guy I wanted, is all. And I think he is doing well especially looking at his getting Greg Williams and trusting him to utilize the talent on hand.
Just another happy memory.
"Gotta fix that"
"Check the pad level"
"Like his philosophy"
"I over worked them"
"Gotta watch Wampner"
"Kmart sucks"
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
"Gotta fix that"
"Check the pad level"
"Like his philosophy"
"I over worked them"
"Gotta watch Wampner"
"Kmart sucks"
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
quote:Originally posted by Max Headroom:quote:Originally posted by Music City:quote:You mention Sean Peyton- do we really know that Peyton would have had success in Green Bay as compared to what MM has done?
It was just a year ago when people were quick to exclaim how Payton was a failure and McCarthy was the better choice. Now Payton is the Godsend of the Saints and McCarthy is on his way out. Just 1 year.
About a year ago the Saints beat us 51-29.
I witnessed that game, my childhood friends and I have our 17th consecutive year 'Funfest" this weekend, we are 15-1 and the Saints game was the only loss. I am hoping our tradition of winning on "Funfest" weekend can somehow carry us over the top of Cowboys weekend. It is at least worth a try and a hope and prayer!
Wish we could use the money they saved us on the cap to buy out their contracts... Or maybe we could just hold a telethon--if every Packer fan throws in 10 bucks...
I don't care if it makes sense. I am so sick of it, they could replace one or both with Holmgren, Cowher, LeRoy Butler, Harry Sydney (now coach of GB West High), or Blair's mother-in-law tomorrow, and it would be dandy with me. I just want these wastes out of my sight. I hung back and was leery at first, and then the 13-3 season finally lured me onto the back of their bandwagon, then they start team-building/coaching like they were picking players, plays, and strategies out of a hat. Blechhh.
Did Lombardi ever say "maybe I overworked them"? Overworked them? Overworked them?
(Where's that barf icon when you need it?) Oh, wait, no, he said something about giving your all and lying exhausted on the field of battle--victorious. That was it.
I don't care if it makes sense. I am so sick of it, they could replace one or both with Holmgren, Cowher, LeRoy Butler, Harry Sydney (now coach of GB West High), or Blair's mother-in-law tomorrow, and it would be dandy with me. I just want these wastes out of my sight. I hung back and was leery at first, and then the 13-3 season finally lured me onto the back of their bandwagon, then they start team-building/coaching like they were picking players, plays, and strategies out of a hat. Blechhh.
Did Lombardi ever say "maybe I overworked them"? Overworked them? Overworked them?
quote:(Where's that barf icon when you need it?)
I love the monday morning audible in favor of TT by tossing MM under the buss for the Favre fiasco. It wasnt MM that made the call on #4, and it wasnt Murphy as they'd lead you to believe. It was TT. He is the GM, he makes the personnel decisions... especially huge ones like, oh.. the starting quarterback.
Let's call it how it is. The GM has failed in stocking the team with proper talent in core areas for this team. He refuses to build with a combination of the draft, free agency, and even keeping talented players already in place. The coach has failed in his leadership, playcalling, and player development areas of coaching (basically everything). Lastly, the team President has been an empty suit. He contrived the worst idea ever put forth in the history of the GBP.. trying to buy the retirement of the best player in the history of the franchise.. to basically save face and keep the cash cow going. Despicable.
All 3 of these jokers need to be fired at seasons end. I will personally volunteer to drive them to the airport.
Let's call it how it is. The GM has failed in stocking the team with proper talent in core areas for this team. He refuses to build with a combination of the draft, free agency, and even keeping talented players already in place. The coach has failed in his leadership, playcalling, and player development areas of coaching (basically everything). Lastly, the team President has been an empty suit. He contrived the worst idea ever put forth in the history of the GBP.. trying to buy the retirement of the best player in the history of the franchise.. to basically save face and keep the cash cow going. Despicable.
All 3 of these jokers need to be fired at seasons end. I will personally volunteer to drive them to the airport.
Murphy is over TT and when Murphy says he was the one who make the decision to move on without Brent, who are you to say different?
This team is not losing because they don't have TOG. They have a damn good QB who if he doesn't get killed will be good here for a long time to come. They are losing because they don't have players, coaching, motivation, schemes, tackling, leadership, pad level and heaven knows what else. But it sure ain't because we don't have a QB.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
I love the monday morning audible in favor of TT by tossing MM under the buss for the Favre fiasco. It wasnt MM that made the call on #4, and it wasnt Murphy as they'd lead you to believe. It was TT. He is the GM, he makes the personnel decisions... especially huge ones like, oh.. the starting quarterback.
Do you really think TT had the power to make the call on Favre? With a board of directors and a president above him he's not going to be able to move Favre without their approval.
I'm sure the GM is going to decide who the starting QB is going to be.
My guess is that if Harlan had still been in charge Favre would have been allowed back with the team. That would have been a mistake but should indicate who really had the final say.
Also, the GM is the personnel director but even low level players like Meredith aren't going anywhere without MM's say so. Like Wolf said, he never gave a HC a player they didn't want and I assume that's the relationship all over the NFL between GM and HC.
quote:Originally posted by Legacy:
This team is not losing because they don't have TOG. They have a damn good QB who if he doesn't get killed will be good here for a long time to come. They are losing because they don't have players, coaching, motivation, schemes, tackling, leadership, pad level and heaven knows what else. But it sure ain't because we don't have a QB.
Agreed. The QB position is one of the least of our worries. Sure, Rodgers needs to get the ball out quicker, but it looks like he has the makings of a franchise QB. If the question is do you go with Favre another couple of years and lose a future franchise QB for ten years, or just hand the reigns over to the future franchise QB and deal with the growing pains, I'll take the latter.
That said, TT has failed this franchise in number of ways:
*His hiring of McCarthy, who is clearly over his head as a HC. He should be a QB coach or an OC. He has no business being the HC. The responsibility for the hiring falls square on TT's shoulders.
*His refusal to address this team's weaknesses via free agency or trades. One of the best moves of his tenure was signing Woodson. Pickett was another solid pickup. Nevertheless, TT generally stays out of free agency. Year after year, they field the youngest team in the league. They lack the veteran leadership. We also have glaring holes the roster. Rather than signing free agent vets, we save the cap space and field an inadequate team. We've also seen him pass on making some trades that could have helped this team. I may get flamed for this, but I still maintain that the Randy Moss that the Pats got in 2007 may have been the difference between a NFC Championship loss and a Super Bowl win. He had arguably the greatest season that a WR has ever posted, and TT passed on him. Why, because we wanted him for the 5th round pick, rather than a 4th round pick? In the process, we let the Pats enter the picture and snag him. The rest is history.
*His drafts. TT is frequently regarded as one that "builds through the draft." My question is, what has he built? In five years, he has only drafted two outstanding players: Rodgers and Jennings. After that, there are some adequate players, but nothing special: Collins, Hawk, Jones, Finley, Spitz, Jolly, etc. We'll see about Raji and Matthews. He has also had some absolutely terrible busts: Harrell, Jackson, Brohm, etc. In the end, he has failed to address to find quality starters or build good depth some key units/positions: o-line, RB, S, DE, etc.
*His poor roster decisions. We've frequently heard that certain roster decisions were made to help the special teams...well, that hasn't worked. He has also cut some players that probably would have helped this team: Meredith, Smith, etc.
TT has had five years. I've seen enough. When he signed McCarthy, everyone agreed that he would live or die with MM. Well, we know how that is working out. It looks like it is time to move on.
Any thoughts on maybe Favre saw this coming and bailed? but the Jets thing backfired on him?
quote:Originally posted by Monroe:
Any thoughts on maybe Favre saw this coming and bailed? but the Jets thing backfired on him?
Brandt recently noted how Favre took issue with the way TT built the team, i.e., he wanted to see more veterans on the team (see: Woodson). That said, the Packers were coming off the NFC Championship, so I would think Favre had confidence in the roster. I don't think it was part of his master plan. I think his indecision just finally hurt him.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Murphy is over TT and when Murphy says he was the one who make the decision to move on without Brent, who are you to say different?
You guys really think the team president who has zero to little football personnel experience makes the decisions on what players to keep or not? PPPPPLLLLEAAAASE. TT Apologists unite! You guys are grasping at every last little straw and throwing other people under the bus for decisions by making up things. McCarthy didnt put Meredith on the PS (I love that stretch you apologists have been making), McCarthy didnt let TOG go for very, very little, and McCarthy didn't assemble maybe the worst offensive line in NFL history. Stats are starting to put them in the running.
It's time to let the Three Stooges go (no, im not referring to Timberlake, Henry, and Slayer), and let's start over...
Bring in Holmgren as Team President. Elliot Wolf is made the GM. John Gruden coach.
Done, Done, Done. Superbowl within 5 years.
Done, Done, Done. Superbowl within 5 years.
quote:I love the monday morning audible in favor of TT by tossing MM under the buss for the Favre fiasco. It wasnt MM that made the call on #4, and it wasnt Murphy as they'd lead you to believe. It was TT. He is the GM, he makes the personnel decisions... especially huge ones like, oh.. the starting quarterback.
Really? It's that simple? If you think for one second that the entire coaching staff, GM, President, Board of Directors and many other personnel people weren't directly involved with the Favre situation you're brain dead.
That's quite possibly the dumbest thing you ever posted.
no, the GM carries the most weight in that discussion (if you think otherwise then im sorry, you are off base). Ultimately, that decision is his - he brings the idea to the table and he can sway the idea either way with his input. Sure, it needs a stamp of approval, but that decision is his and he needs to own it (it has backfired. We will have won more games in 2007 than 2008 and 2009 combined most likely). Yes, the QB doesnt bring you every win or loss, but it is the single most integral position on the football field. Leadership is probably the most important statistic a QB brings to a team. No one made him move #4 to the AFC for a 2nd round pick when we could have gotten more in division or conference.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
McCarthy didnt put Meredith on the PS (I love that stretch you apologists have been making),
You're even worse than advertised if you don't understand that the HC trims the roster. The only thing stretching is that rubber band between your ears.
Diggr - It was McCarthy's call.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
It wasnt MM that made the call on #4, and it wasnt Murphy as they'd lead you to believe. It was TT. He is the GM, he makes the personnel decisions... especially huge ones like, oh.. the starting quarterback.
Only partially true. In a perfect world and relationship, the GM brings in guys he thinks can play but the decisions on who plays and who stays generally falls to the head coach and his staff. The GM generally stands behind the coach's decision and the President oversees the business operation while staying out of personel. There's a level of trust in the working relationship of the competency of each role. Coaches are the first in line to take the fall when things go bad and most times rightfully so.
quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:quote:Originally posted by trump:quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:
Just like Wolf should have kept Hinrichs, TT should have anted up for Longwell.
NO way, Longwell is where he belongs. POS.
Love him or hate him, Longwell is a better kicker. Crosby is around 75%, hardly ever makes a clutch kick, and doesn't kick the ball any deeper than Longwell on KOs.
Longwell kicks in a dome.
quote:Originally posted by who:
Love him or hate him, Longwell is a better kicker. Crosby is around 75%, hardly ever makes a clutch kick, and doesn't kick the ball any deeper than Longwell on KOs.
Longwell kicks in a dome.[/QUOTE]
Does he? Compare Longwell's numbers as a Packer to Crosby's because that's where my statement evolves from. One guy has kicked over 80% every year of his career except 2 and the other has never made over 80%.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Diggr - It was McCarthy's call.
Please, McCarthy making personnel decisions? He can't chew gum and walk at the same time. Uncle Ted had to ok the cuts.
Think what you like Diggr. TT is all about the locker room. It was MM's call. If MM still wanted him, do you think TT would've gotten rid of him? Honestly?