TT is the Master of Puppets
quote:Originally posted by barrister:
I've seen enough.
Well, right that baby down in stone then since you're fond of presenting opinion as fact. You and Diggr have a lot in common, living on grandiose ideas cooked up in your head and spewing it as truth.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
He can't chew gum and walk at the same time.
Good form. This, my friends, is the apotheosis of critical thinking.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
No one made him move #4 to the AFC for a 2nd round pick when we could have gotten more in division or conference.
Really? Because the offer from Tampa was less than what the Jets gave up with incentives. Tampa offered a straight up 3rd rounder, that's it. Where are these other offers you've conjured up.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
It wasnt MM that made the call on #4, and it wasnt Murphy as they'd lead you to believe. It was TT. He is the GM, he makes the personnel decisions... especially huge ones like, oh.. the starting quarterback.
Only partially true. In a perfect world and relationship, the GM brings in guys he thinks can play but the decisions on who plays and who stays generally falls to the head coach and his staff. The GM generally stands behind the coach's decision and the President oversees the business operation while staying out of personel. There's a level of trust in the working relationship of the competency of each role. Coaches are the first in line to take the fall when things go bad and most times rightfully so.
Exactly. It was also noted that TT was the guy that made the decision to fly down and bring Bert back when he first expressed interest. MM and Bert had their blow out, and justifiably so on MM's part, when he tried to squeeze his way back in after TC. At that point TT pulled the plug.
HEY! Who the hell is trying to tidy up my crazed stream of consciousness posting style? Love you bongwad.
quote:Originally posted by PackerRick:
Does he? Compare Longwell's numbers as a Packer to Crosby's because that's where my statement evolves from. One guy has kicked over 80% every year of his career except 2 and the other has never made over 80%.
In the two previous seasons that Crosby has kicked he hasn't reached 80%. 79.5% and 79.4% are not 80%. (Those were Crosby's first two seasons.) You'll remember, of course, that his rookie season he led the league in scoring. And some believe he should have gone to the Pro-Bowl before the Cowboys kicker. He's currently at 14 field goals made out of 18. For 77.8%. Three of those four misses were from 50 yards or longer.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Diggr - It was McCarthy's call.
Please, McCarthy making personnel decisions? He can't chew gum and walk at the same time. Uncle Ted had to ok the cuts.
When Favre came back last year during family weekend he talked to Thompson for less than 90 minutes and he talked to McCarthy for nearly 8 hours over two days. What did he and McCarthy talk about for 8 hours if Thompson had already decided Favre was out?
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
He contrived the worst idea ever put forth in the history of the GBP.. trying to buy the retirement of the best player in the history of the franchise.. to basically save face and keep the cash cow going. Despicable.
Yeah, you sure about that? I'm pretty damn sure Harlan and the organization had a promotion plan for Bert long before he retired. Murphy was the one to deliver it. You actually think it was Murphy in his first year that cobbled this whole deal together? Of course you do. I mean who in their right mind would have the foresight to think about marketing Bert after his retirement?!? Harlan was obviously a dolt so it had to be Murphy. Why? Because it fits into your conspiracy.
After all these years you truly are the most intellectually stunted twerp to crap across this board. The only thing more pathetic than your "because I said so" debate style is your incredibly feeble attempt at talking real world politics. One post from you completely solidified what a arrogant, ignorant moron you truly are.
There is no doubt in how you revel in the failure of others. There are dumb ass trolls on this board, icon joe is a schtick, Dilweed is your partner in schadenfreude yet that passive aggressive midget (which chickenboy envies) still presents a series of facts from time to time. Your grasp of reality in all things, not just the Packers, invokes a gag reaction and a ponderous thought, "Are we really this stupid in this country?"
No worries, your generation is pre-molded to buy into shouting the same propaganda over and over again (keep on message) rather than critical analysis.
Yeah, the $20 million promotion plan was such an insult to Favre. He didn't have to do TC, he could ride his tractor, go hunting, golf, not worry about injuries... all offered after he retired, twice.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Fire TT and MM!
Goalline, it's unlike you to overreact. One game ??
You would not have posted this if the Pack would have beat the bucs.
quote:Originally posted by Packdog:quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Fire TT and MM!
Goalline, it's unlike you to overreact. One game ??
You would not have posted this if the Pack would have beat the bucs.
When you've lost Goalline, you've lost the war.
Can someone just make a case in support of keeping TT and/or MM? I understand the main reasons people want them out, but I'm not sure why other people want one or both of them to stay.
Free Safety already did a fine job of explaining why TT should stay. This roster is stacked with talented players but not being placed in the proper positions to succeed. That's coaching.
Separating MM from TT
Can you honestly tell me if we had Mike Tomlin as our HC, you think we would have lost that game vs. Tampa?
Separating MM from TT
Can you honestly tell me if we had Mike Tomlin as our HC, you think we would have lost that game vs. Tampa?
The more I read about Todd Bowles, Miami's Assistant HC/Secondary Coach, the more I like. He seems like, based on his comments when he was in the running for the Detroit job, a guy who understands what it takes to be a successful HC and what he needs to do in order to properly lead his team.
I'm not opposed to firing McCarthy but I do think he has the right idea in his mind about what he has to do as HC. He comes from the Marty Schottenheimer tree, just like Bill Cowher, and I think McCarthy wants to run his team like Cowher did, but he's putting too much faith in his assistants. He didn't do a very good job of putting together his staff initially and as a result, many positions haven't been well coached in the last 4 years. We're seeing a change in the defense because we have much better coaches...well now it's time to do the same for the offense. I think he would turn over playcalling duties, if he could trust his staff which I don't think he does. If he would do what it takes to put together the best staff possible, I think a lot of pressure would be off him and he would be more effective as a HC. He needs to just f*cking do it though and stop d*cking around.
I'm not opposed to firing McCarthy but I do think he has the right idea in his mind about what he has to do as HC. He comes from the Marty Schottenheimer tree, just like Bill Cowher, and I think McCarthy wants to run his team like Cowher did, but he's putting too much faith in his assistants. He didn't do a very good job of putting together his staff initially and as a result, many positions haven't been well coached in the last 4 years. We're seeing a change in the defense because we have much better coaches...well now it's time to do the same for the offense. I think he would turn over playcalling duties, if he could trust his staff which I don't think he does. If he would do what it takes to put together the best staff possible, I think a lot of pressure would be off him and he would be more effective as a HC. He needs to just f*cking do it though and stop d*cking around.
It saddens me to see topics like this. I understand that fans are upset with the loss last week and the uncertainty of the weeks ahead. In todays world it just seems like winning 100% of the time is the only acceptable way. My (our) team plays 16 games each season. I go into each game ready to enjoy what I hope will be not only an exciting game but a win. It just seems a shame that fans gave up on the team, coaching staff and personnel department before the season was even close to being half over.
I want TT and MM to succeed. If they do then that means the team has a good season. If anybody doesn't want TT or MM to succeed then that means you want the team to fail. I don't understand how anybody could call themselves a fan in one breath and want the team to fail in the other. The team is made up of players, coaches and personnel dept. Pulling for one is pulling for all. At the end of the season is the time to discuss the direction that us as fans want the team to go in. Not during the season. That is the time to support the team.
I don't believe I will ever say anything bad about TT or MM. I don't agree with everything they do but I am not stupid enough to think that I could do better or that they make the decisions that they make because they want to fail. To think that TT doesn't waste cap money because he wants to fail is idiotic and I can't believe some of the statements I've read from fans about it.
I know this post is kinda long and rambles some. I just wanted to let everybody know that I am still supporting my favorite TEAM and will continue to enjoy the season however it unfolds. The only alternative is to start the off season early and I like my football too much to do that. Here's hoping that the team turns it around and starts playing to the ability that I think they have.
I want TT and MM to succeed. If they do then that means the team has a good season. If anybody doesn't want TT or MM to succeed then that means you want the team to fail. I don't understand how anybody could call themselves a fan in one breath and want the team to fail in the other. The team is made up of players, coaches and personnel dept. Pulling for one is pulling for all. At the end of the season is the time to discuss the direction that us as fans want the team to go in. Not during the season. That is the time to support the team.
I don't believe I will ever say anything bad about TT or MM. I don't agree with everything they do but I am not stupid enough to think that I could do better or that they make the decisions that they make because they want to fail. To think that TT doesn't waste cap money because he wants to fail is idiotic and I can't believe some of the statements I've read from fans about it.
I know this post is kinda long and rambles some. I just wanted to let everybody know that I am still supporting my favorite TEAM and will continue to enjoy the season however it unfolds. The only alternative is to start the off season early and I like my football too much to do that. Here's hoping that the team turns it around and starts playing to the ability that I think they have.
I want our team to play hard and with passion and to their full capabilities. When I see they aren't, like last Sunday, that is very, very disappointing to us as fans.
quote:Kuttencheeze:
I think numero uno that needs to hit the street is TT. Some errors on the job are so aggregious (sp?) that they call for a firing even though it only happened once. That is, in Ted's case, completely failing to build even an average offensive line in five years. Not to mention hiring a coach that's never been a winner in the NFL. Five years is enough time in the NFL to judge a GM's job performance. This team is getting worse, not better. It's time to move on.
I don't want to agree with this, but I am open to it. (I still want to believe TT is OK and just blew it with OL.)
MM is toast, in my book.
You're right Dale. It sucks to see topics like this.
The problem is the game last week was a career defining (perhaps ending) moment in MM's coaching career. Losing to that team, in that situation, with the running game averaging more than 5 yds a carry, allowing 6 sacks when the Bucs had a total of 11 over 9 weeks, is completely inexcusable.
I don't know if MM and TT have talked this week, but if I'm TT, I would definitely sit MM down and have a nice long conversation about what I expect out of my head coach.
It's a bottom line business and you cannot perform as poorly as the Packers did and expect to keep your job. MM is getting paid millions of dollars to coach a football team & win football games. This weekend will prove whether he has lost the team or not.
What pisses me off the most is MM still has a contract thru 2011. He'll probably win enough games this year to hang onto his job next year which drives me nuts! Winning 7 or 8 games isn't good enough. No more 5 year deals unless you win a Super Bowl.
I don't thnk the O-Line is as bad as they have played. Spitz is out now, that doesn't help any. This is all about coaching. Why wasn't Lang inserted as our RT from day 1? It's clear he is a much better player than Barbre. Why is Giacomini still on this roster instead of a 2009 draft pick!??! These decisions are coming from the coaches.
The problem is the game last week was a career defining (perhaps ending) moment in MM's coaching career. Losing to that team, in that situation, with the running game averaging more than 5 yds a carry, allowing 6 sacks when the Bucs had a total of 11 over 9 weeks, is completely inexcusable.
I don't know if MM and TT have talked this week, but if I'm TT, I would definitely sit MM down and have a nice long conversation about what I expect out of my head coach.
It's a bottom line business and you cannot perform as poorly as the Packers did and expect to keep your job. MM is getting paid millions of dollars to coach a football team & win football games. This weekend will prove whether he has lost the team or not.
What pisses me off the most is MM still has a contract thru 2011. He'll probably win enough games this year to hang onto his job next year which drives me nuts! Winning 7 or 8 games isn't good enough. No more 5 year deals unless you win a Super Bowl.
I don't thnk the O-Line is as bad as they have played. Spitz is out now, that doesn't help any. This is all about coaching. Why wasn't Lang inserted as our RT from day 1? It's clear he is a much better player than Barbre. Why is Giacomini still on this roster instead of a 2009 draft pick!??! These decisions are coming from the coaches.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
I don't thnk the O-Line is as bad as they have played. Spitz is out now, that doesn't help any. This is all about coaching. Why wasn't Lang inserted as our RT from day 1? It's clear he is a much better player than Barbre. Why is Giacomini still on this roster instead of a 2009 draft pick!??! These decisions are coming from the coaches.
I think it all boils down to the same reason the NBA is starting to fall behind european players. They get blinded by the best athletes. The one thing you always hear about Barbre is that he is the most athletic of the OL. He has the potential to be one of the best RT in the league. The only problem is it hasn't shown up in his play. They also don't get to practice what they are taught. They don't do any cut blocking in practice. They don't do any tackling in practice. They do very little hitting in practice. The NFL really screwed themselves when they started paying the stars so much money that they can't afford to have them get hurt. People talk all the time about how the great teams of yesteryear couldn't compete with todays teams because they are so much bigger and faster. It would probably be closer than they think because the older players were better football players.
quote:Originally posted by Dale:
It saddens me to see topics like this. I understand that fans are upset with the loss last week and the uncertainty of the weeks ahead. In todays world it just seems like winning 100% of the time is the only acceptable way. My (our) team plays 16 games each season. I go into each game ready to enjoy what I hope will be not only an exciting game but a win. It just seems a shame that fans gave up on the team, coaching staff and personnel department before the season was even close to being half over.
I want TT and MM to succeed. If they do then that means the team has a good season. If anybody doesn't want TT or MM to succeed then that means you want the team to fail. I don't understand how anybody could call themselves a fan in one breath and want the team to fail in the other. The team is made up of players, coaches and personnel dept. Pulling for one is pulling for all. At the end of the season is the time to discuss the direction that us as fans want the team to go in. Not during the season. That is the time to support the team.
I don't believe I will ever say anything bad about TT or MM. I don't agree with everything they do but I am not stupid enough to think that I could do better or that they make the decisions that they make because they want to fail. To think that TT doesn't waste cap money because he wants to fail is idiotic and I can't believe some of the statements I've read from fans about it.
I know this post is kinda long and rambles some. I just wanted to let everybody know that I am still supporting my favorite TEAM and will continue to enjoy the season however it unfolds. The only alternative is to start the off season early and I like my football too much to do that. Here's hoping that the team turns it around and starts playing to the ability that I think they have.
That's a genuinely nice statement Dale, but your support of the team (or others lack there of) has absolutely no bearing on the on-field product. The truth of the matter is that MM isn't getting the job done. In fact, he isn't even coming close. I don't have to sit through the next 8 games to figure that out. I don't believe most of us, save for a few dumbasses, are hoping for failure. However, the reality of the situation is that failure is most likely. What I am hoping for is that TT and Murphy take care of the problem sooner than later.
Good post Dale 
In hindsight I think maybe the players let up a bit after we scored so easy on our first drive. I'm thinking they then thought this was going to be an easy win and a cakewalk after that TD by Jones. Coaches needed to keep the killer instinct alive but did'nt.
I blame Special Teams the most for this loss though. If not for the blocked punt for a TD and allowing very long returns, the Pack wins this one. JMHO.
In hindsight I think maybe the players let up a bit after we scored so easy on our first drive. I'm thinking they then thought this was going to be an easy win and a cakewalk after that TD by Jones. Coaches needed to keep the killer instinct alive but did'nt.
I blame Special Teams the most for this loss though. If not for the blocked punt for a TD and allowing very long returns, the Pack wins this one. JMHO.
quote:Originally posted by Dale:
[QUOTE] The one thing you always hear about Barbre is that he is the most athletic of the OL. He has the potential to be one of the best RT in the league. The only problem is it hasn't shown up in his play.
Sure we hear that, but it's normally coming from MM. I don't know about anybody else, but I don't think MM would know a good offensive lineman if it punched him in the face.
quote:he is the most athletic of the OL.
Maybe that just makes him a better golfer than the other lineman.
Maybe he's shown he's a super jumper after repeatedly getting knocked flat on his back.
Or maybe his forte is thumb wrestling.
Machts nichts if the bozo can't block.
Or maybe his forte is thumb wrestling.
Machts nichts if the bozo can't block.
quote:Originally posted by Dale:
It saddens me to see topics like this. I understand that fans are upset with the loss last week and the uncertainty of the weeks ahead. In todays world it just seems like winning 100% of the time is the only acceptable way. My (our) team plays 16 games each season. I go into each game ready to enjoy what I hope will be not only an exciting game but a win. It just seems a shame that fans gave up on the team, coaching staff and personnel department before the season was even close to being half over.
I want TT and MM to succeed. If they do then that means the team has a good season. If anybody doesn't want TT or MM to succeed then that means you want the team to fail. I don't understand how anybody could call themselves a fan in one breath and want the team to fail in the other. The team is made up of players, coaches and personnel dept. Pulling for one is pulling for all. At the end of the season is the time to discuss the direction that us as fans want the team to go in. Not during the season. That is the time to support the team.
I don't believe I will ever say anything bad about TT or MM. I don't agree with everything they do but I am not stupid enough to think that I could do better or that they make the decisions that they make because they want to fail. To think that TT doesn't waste cap money because he wants to fail is idiotic and I can't believe some of the statements I've read from fans about it.
I know this post is kinda long and rambles some. I just wanted to let everybody know that I am still supporting my favorite TEAM and will continue to enjoy the season however it unfolds. The only alternative is to start the off season early and I like my football too much to do that. Here's hoping that the team turns it around and starts playing to the ability that I think they have.
A tad PolyAnnish ...
I think if you read through these threads the last couple of weeks you will get a pretty consistent median vibe.(Take out the rants, amateur playcalling and the pot-stirrers which BTW I've been a part of all 3 myself over the years)
A lot of posters here think and recognize the trend rather than the play-by-play of what is happening and what ought to be happening and BTW, was confirmed by team President Murphy.
Hoping for the PAckers to fail is not the median thinking for any poster that cares on here, IMO.
IMO, The median thinking here sees that the Rubicon is an East-West river I believe and the Captain has the "Course" heading north, not a good thing and a few things probably need to occur:
1) The Captain needs a new map, compass, Lieutenants or all 3.
2) Needs to Adequately discipline/teach his Lieutenants in correct sails manipulation and proper co-ordination of the oarsmen.
3) Needs to throw overboard any sailor that isn't doing his job or is blatantly spreading disease(Talk) among the other sailors.
Oh and BTW, the Captain wants to "Stay the Course".
I think most fans who aren't members of the 'I'd rather be right than happy' crowd or the 'I predict failure so that when it ultimately happens I can be satisfied' crowd tend to hope for success with every coach of the GBP. I know I have when each of them took over the team. That said, there are games/developments/the persistence of trends that ultimately lead fans to decide that the current coach isn't the guy to continue leading the team. I can still remember these moments with several of the past coaches:
MM - Sunday was possibly that moment, but since he's not going anywhere during this season barring anything completely insane I think we'll have a chance to look back with 20/20 hindsight and decide when that moment did occur, assuming it does.
Shermy - For me it was the embarrassment of getting pounded by the Ookie-led ATL at home in the playoffs and then the PHI playoff debacle.
Rhodes - It was actually a win, but it was that last game against AZ when GB suddenly put it all together. Made me wonder where that had been all year.
Holmy - During his last year in GB, when he went off on a fan on his way off the field. That was a sad thing to see, but it was also clear that it was time for him to move on and chase his larger ambitions. I still hold him above all others accountable for the Super Bowl disaster.
Infante - Basically the entire 1990 season after the incredible 1989 season.
I hope MM figures it out and turns it around, but if not, then it'll be time for him to go as well.
MM - Sunday was possibly that moment, but since he's not going anywhere during this season barring anything completely insane I think we'll have a chance to look back with 20/20 hindsight and decide when that moment did occur, assuming it does.
Shermy - For me it was the embarrassment of getting pounded by the Ookie-led ATL at home in the playoffs and then the PHI playoff debacle.
Rhodes - It was actually a win, but it was that last game against AZ when GB suddenly put it all together. Made me wonder where that had been all year.
Holmy - During his last year in GB, when he went off on a fan on his way off the field. That was a sad thing to see, but it was also clear that it was time for him to move on and chase his larger ambitions. I still hold him above all others accountable for the Super Bowl disaster.
Infante - Basically the entire 1990 season after the incredible 1989 season.
I hope MM figures it out and turns it around, but if not, then it'll be time for him to go as well.
Well (edit)JJSD is right that the Tampa game is the one everyone will point to. It is certainly the game that opened the floodgate around here. If you ran a poll right now, I'd bet the vast majority has jumped MM's ship. All at once it seems. From the Tampa game. No one was saying it after the second ******* loss.
Which in my mind, I'm not there yet. I predicted the Tampa loss. It had all the makings of a massive NFL letdown game, after the Favrapalooza Bowl and all. I said MM should get major credit if his team comes out focused and fired up. Predictably, they were deflated. It was classic topsy turvy NFL.
No one has mentioned that if the ref keeps his flag stuffed where it belonged on the Hawk INT, this thread doesn't even exist.
For me, it's this game. Dallas. If they come out flat for this one, a save-your-job kind of game, it's officially over for MM and his crew.
Which in my mind, I'm not there yet. I predicted the Tampa loss. It had all the makings of a massive NFL letdown game, after the Favrapalooza Bowl and all. I said MM should get major credit if his team comes out focused and fired up. Predictably, they were deflated. It was classic topsy turvy NFL.
No one has mentioned that if the ref keeps his flag stuffed where it belonged on the Hawk INT, this thread doesn't even exist.
For me, it's this game. Dallas. If they come out flat for this one, a save-your-job kind of game, it's officially over for MM and his crew.
Thanks JJSD. I keep trying to forget those whorrible games.
quote:MM - Sunday was possibly that moment, but since he's not going anywhere during this season barring anything completely insane I think we'll have a chance to look back with 20/20 hindsight and decide when that moment did occur, assuming it does.
Shermy - For me it was the embarrassment of getting pounded by the Ookie-led ATL at home in the playoffs and then the PHI playoff debacle.
Rhodes - It was actually a win, but it was that last game against AZ when GB suddenly put it all together. Made me wonder where that had been all year.
Holmy - During his last year in GB, when he went off on a fan on his way off the field. That was a sad thing to see, but it was also clear that it was time for him to move on and chase his larger ambitions. I still hold him above all others accountable for the Super Bowl disaster.
Damn! Get out of my brain!
For MM, we began talking about him after the 2nd loss to you know who. I'm done bitching about the Tampa game. If MM doesn't treat this game vs. Dallas like it's the Super Bowl, he should be gone before the Niner game.
I am far from a soothsayer, but the signs were there in Game 1 against the Bears.
Everything else has been affirmation.
Everything else has been affirmation.
Sure the signs were there but we still WON that game. I can deal with the mistakes and poor play and coaching (to a point) if we still win. At least it's something to build off of. When you lose to Tampa, changes need to be made.
Losing to the ******* the second time really soured me on MM. Sure .. the Vikes are a good team, but they are beatable.
The biggest problem I had is that it seemed the Packers didn't learn a single thing from their first matchup a few weeks prior. They failed to figure out how to slow down Favre .. couldn't stop Edwards and Allen from knocking Rodgers around. Couldn't figure out how to conistantly move the ball against them until it was too late.
Throw into it that it was a home game .. with no dome noise, and the Vikes were missing a great player in Antoine Winfield, and I expected the Packers to win the game, or at least play even up with them. It didn't happen .. Packers got thumped early, and then had to play catch-up .. same damn game as in the dome. MM and staff failed .. badly.
The biggest problem I had is that it seemed the Packers didn't learn a single thing from their first matchup a few weeks prior. They failed to figure out how to slow down Favre .. couldn't stop Edwards and Allen from knocking Rodgers around. Couldn't figure out how to conistantly move the ball against them until it was too late.
Throw into it that it was a home game .. with no dome noise, and the Vikes were missing a great player in Antoine Winfield, and I expected the Packers to win the game, or at least play even up with them. It didn't happen .. Packers got thumped early, and then had to play catch-up .. same damn game as in the dome. MM and staff failed .. badly.
The second Viking game was the tipping point in my view of MM as well. They're the better team and losing to them isn't a crime, but the way they lost was inexcusable. I had a very good feeling about that game and couldn't have possibly imagined they'd play that poorly and appear completely unprepared.
MM has eight games to turn the team around or face the music.
MM has eight games to turn the team around or face the music.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Sure the signs were there but we still WON that game. I can deal with the mistakes and poor play and coaching (to a point) if we still win. At least it's something to build off of. When you lose to Tampa, changes need to be made.
Boris you yourself have said this team has yet to put a full 4 qtrs together. I think the point you make about mistakes- it's pretty obvious going back to last year that penalties and mistakes are the thing keeping this team from reaching another level- take away even half the penalties and breakdowns from all the close losses last year and how many do you think they would have won?
The miscues were still there in all 4 of their wins this year, but inferior competition and a meltdown by Cutler lessened the blow of GB's inept play. A team that gets o that next level simply cannot commit these type of errors and expect to beat the upper echelon teams. Additionally it is the lesser opponents that a good coach would be stressing fundamentals to get a solid performance almost as a sort of dress rehearsal for bigger games, such as the Queens.
I'm happy when they win, I would have taken a win at Tampa, but it became obvious to me that it's a trend and not a one time thing.
You mention building off a less than stellar win- that's fine, except this team for whatever reason-imo MM- seems like it rises up to play big and recedes just as easily depending on the challenge in front of it. There is no consistency. They take teams lightly and then have not honed their own game well enough to play with the big boys. Unless the leadership starts to shine thru from above, there will be no changing the mid level players who make up the majority of the roster.
All of your points are valid. Great post. 
Is this the game where we see the Packers "rise up" to the challenge? I think so.
They simply cannot have another piss-poor performance and get blown out by the Cowboys.
MM pretty much has to go 10-6 thru 12-4 to keep his job. The MM job watch begins on Sunday
Is this the game where we see the Packers "rise up" to the challenge? I think so.
They simply cannot have another piss-poor performance and get blown out by the Cowboys.
MM pretty much has to go 10-6 thru 12-4 to keep his job. The MM job watch begins on Sunday
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
All of your points are valid. Great post.
Is this the game where we see the Packers "rise up" to the challenge? I think so.
They simply cannot have another piss-poor performance and get blown out by the Cowboys.
MM pretty much has to go 10-6 thru 12-4 to keep his job. The MM job watch begins on Sunday
Um, I think Dallas is going to beat the poop out of us. Demarcus Ware has me in counseling as we speak. I've seen nothing in MM's past that leads me to believe he'll have this team ready to win a big game at home.... Nothing.
While we're talking about MM's past, what about his future? Here's a suggestion:
quote:Um, I think Dallas is going to beat the poop out of us
Define "beat the poop out of us" then give me the points. For whatever you want to bet.
I think Dallas wins by 10. I don't bet... Guess that makes me a pussy. I should have joined the Air Force.
No, but I think you know what this team is capable of. Let's see what happens Sunday. They have to play a good game. 4 quarters. They HAVE TO!!
