Why you should put a coin on a cup of frozen water before evacuating
So when the fridge blows to Kentucky and you find it you know you got some good free eats.
Of if you return home and find the cup is no longer there, you know you've been looted.
Okay, that made me laugh out loud. **** your acronyms!
Has Chicago ever been hit by a hurricane?
Could it?
Be patient, global warming is just getting started
I don't think the heavy **** is gonna get there for quite a while.
RatPack posted:Has Chicago ever been hit by a hurricane?
Could it?
Believe me, every major news story has a "Chicago connection".
Got a text from my Man Friend High Voltage. They sent his crew into Tampa. Looks like the tip of the spear going to hit them.
antooo posted:Be patient, global warming is just getting started
I don't think the heavy **** is gonna get there for quite a while.
don't know if you were going for this but it reminded me of it - been using this line for decades.
If you don't have a quarter, would two dimes and a nickel work just the same?
First Irma damage...
Took dog out to pee at hotel and umbrella got caught in wind gust. I called my insurance agent and asked if this was covered by my hurricane policy---he hung-up on me. 
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Keep us updated...I'm not getting this type of coverage on the MSM.
Natural disasters are no excuse to go outside to pee.
I'm fair and unbalanced.
Had a heavy rain band go thru the Jacksonville area where I am at, but right now it's only drizzling here.
Real American's don't use umbrellas.
Real Americans know most of the rain falls alongside of you.
You should get your FEMA umbrella in 12 to 18 months.
Anybody heard from Keil, FL, or any other Floridians?
Kiel took refuge at the Blue Oyster Club. He's in good hands.
antooo posted:Be patient, global warming is just getting started
I don't think the heavy **** is gonna get there for quite a while.
More likely. There is a lag to the process. Simple thermodynamics. The stuff we're starting to see is from CO2 that's been in the system for decades. Ocean has been absorbing most of the rising temperature and CO2 but ocean is now reaching its limit as a carbon sponge. I don't want to know what is waiting for us in 20-30 years. But I'm sure if we all relax it'll be just fine cuz you know Kochs and Pruitt know better than scientists.
The earth has been warming since the last ice age. There is also better technology to monitor the whole globe than there ever has been in the existence of humanity.
I don't argue that it's warming. I argue that well duh, it is.
My bitch is the politicians and moguls trying to monetize it. I am all for wind and solar as our technology catches up. You should have seen my Sim Cities back in the early 90s.
You breathe. You make CO2. So do animals. The ocean and forests help scrub it out. BUT, it's not the 1st time the earth has recovered from an ice age. There's more methane from thawing permafrost that exceeds the new CO2. It IS what it IS. This isn't bad chemicals that hurt the ozone and could be corrected. This is the cycle of the planet.
Timmy! posted:Anybody heard from Keil, FL, or any other Floridians?
All good here Timmy!
East Florida's good luck is West Florida's bad luck.
Still evacuated, but safe and dry.
It Is what it Is? Not really. Not even close. But I'm sure it's easy to just throw one's hands in the air and say F-it. People like that are part of the problem.
The "earth has warmed before" is one of the most used climate myths. While the earth has warmed before, it has never warmed as quickly as it is. Its warming 1000x faster than the last "warming period". We happen to be dumping CO2 in the atmosphere at warp speed. When it has warmed quickly in the past it was also because of an increase in CO2. It's really simple stuff to understand yet so many refuse to get it. CO2 has been known as a thermal insulator for the planet for almost two hundred years. Add CO2, add heat. Simple physics. And now after adding all that heat, the permafrost is melting. Wouldn't have been melting on its own but feedback loops are a bitch. But hey, a few 10,000 scientists are all political pawns.
I read it twice and I think i may have missed it too.
Population now, 7 Billion.
Is it time to slaughter mouth breathers?
Either way, the planet will warm, it always has after an ice age. There was a time that the whole planet was frozen. The sun will put out more energy as it ages. One day it's outer layer will consume our orbit.
I am not saying trying to reduce CO2 emissions is a fruitless effort. I think it needs to be done now that tech has caught up and it can be done reasonably. BUT, to think that it will change the progress of the cycle is fantasy. To funnel money at those taking advantage of the fear mongering is foolish too.
DH13 posted:While the earth has warmed before, it has never warmed as quickly as it is. Its warming 1000x faster than the last "warming period".
Perhaps, but you don't know that. Cite proof please. Not just blathering. Actual scientific fact.
DH13 posted:When it has warmed quickly in the past it was also because of an increase in CO2.
Really? Are you sure? Where's the facts? Methane's footprint is much larger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. But still. Back this up.
DH13 posted:It's really simple stuff to understand yet so many refuse to get it. CO2 has been known as a thermal insulator for the planet for almost two hundred years. Add CO2, add heat. Simple physics. And now after adding all that heat, the permafrost is melting. Wouldn't have been melting on its own but feedback loops are a bitch. But hey, a few 10,000 scientists are all political pawns. Si
200 years? Nah, but nice try.
CO2 doesn't add heat. The sun does. Permafrost does melt on it's own, because the planet cycles between ice ages. I won't accept guilt as a human because there is more CO2. There used to be more O2 by almost quadruple the levels now. The atmosphere cycles and there is only so much they can gather from ice cores. Volcanic eruptions do more to the atmosphere in one burst than we could ever hope to mitigate.
Simple physics? I think you are missing out on simple chemistry.
I love our new tech and the ability to manufacture it at costs lower than it is to produce. BUT, the larger majority of the human population has no interest in modifying the 'carbon footprint'. (see China's pollution for an example and their 1.2 Billion people)
Which is where the moguls make their $.
Hey, somebody needs to make their grant money and get re-elected. On my dime. So F them.
I just think it's this simple: you can only dump so much CO2, methane, etc., into the earth/atmosphere before the earth's ability to scrub it out is over-taxed. Then, the system breaks down and major changes happen. Today we are making it far, far faster than it can be cleaned.
An article the other day said the ocean warming 1 degree C allows the air to hold 7% more water, and that's helping contribute to the major hurricanes we're seeing now. Any way you look at it, for money or not, we haven't done a very good job of taking care of this planet.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, making the rest of the world see that too and getting them the tech to do it will not happen quickly.
But, overall, the planet will do what it does. And the sun.
The US kinda gets it along with the Euros... but the corporate conglomerate will not pass on the tech unless it gains profit. Unfortunately the other 5 billion folks strive to be what we are, without concern.
Bike lanes and mass transit aren't even mosquito bites on the vein of what mother nature will do. It's all folly.
The planet is due for some significant eruption or maybe a strike from the sun side of the sun, which no telescope can see.
But I like that we try.
Cavetoad posted:DH13 posted:While the earth has warmed before, it has never warmed as quickly as it is. Its warming 1000x faster than the last "warming period".
Perhaps, but you don't know that. Cite proof please. Not just blathering. Actual scientific fact.
DH13 posted:When it has warmed quickly in the past it was also because of an increase in CO2.
Really? Are you sure? Where's the facts? Methane's footprint is much larger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. But still. Back this up.
DH13 posted:It's really simple stuff to understand yet so many refuse to get it. CO2 has been known as a thermal insulator for the planet for almost two hundred years. Add CO2, add heat. Simple physics. And now after adding all that heat, the permafrost is melting. Wouldn't have been melting on its own but feedback loops are a bitch. But hey, a few 10,000 scientists are all political pawns. Si
200 years? Nah, but nice try.
CO2 doesn't add heat. The sun does. Permafrost does melt on it's own, because the planet cycles between ice ages. I won't accept guilt as a human because there is more CO2. There used to be more O2 by almost quadruple the levels now. The atmosphere cycles and there is only so much they can gather from ice cores. Volcanic eruptions do more to the atmosphere in one burst than we could ever hope to mitigate.
Simple physics? I think you are missing out on simple chemistry.
I love our new tech and the ability to manufacture it at costs lower than it is to produce. BUT, the larger majority of the human population has no interest in modifying the 'carbon footprint'. (see China's pollution for an example and their 1.2 Billion people)
Which is where the moguls make their $.
Hey, somebody needs to make their grant money and get re-elected. On my dime. So F them.
Proof is in the ice core samples and sediment record. Look it up, Albert. It's all out there for you. And it's peer reviewed and there is literally overwhelming consensus. Your theory isn't backed by anyone of any repute. Just big petro moguls who's $$$ is at stake. I'll take the many thousands of people who's career makes them experts on the topic's "blathering" opinion, thanks.
Never said CO2 adds heat. Said CO2 causes rising temperature because it's an insulator for the atmosphere. But go ahead make up strawmen if you think it helps. And again, it's physics - thermodynamics. Not chemistry though chemistry is involved more in the ocean.
Permafrost melts on it's own when it's warm enough to melt it. Why do think it's called permafrost? Melting greatly sped up by warming temps. The arctic is warming much faster than the rest of the globe which is bad news for the permafrost. Yes, methane is much worse than CO2. But the amounts of CO2 we dump in the atmosphere greatly dwarfs the amounts of methane that are causing the increased instability in the atmosphere.
Joseph Fourier in 1824 first theorized the earth would be colder without an atmosphere. Also that CO2 acts as an insulater. Science is amazing!
And you're hinging it all on grant money? Christ. I didn't realize you were a conspiracy theorist. A conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people. Billions if you count the chinese, which you seem to. Many of these scientists were studying it decades before it became political.
One more time. I think I'll rely on the experts.
But by all means, be a lazy ass pussy and do nothing about it. Your idea of the reality of the situation is not only ill informed, it's ****ing everyone else's world up by preventing action.
Reading comprehension for the loss.
But hey, at least you are insistent.
China going all in to get that fat grant money for those elected officials who aren't elected by eliminating gas/diesel car production. THEY GOT THEIR HANDS IN MY POCKETS!
Take away whatever politicized concepts people want to cling to outside of real facts and ask yourself this. Why would the great American free market want to turn away massive emerging markets? Don't think about climate concerns, ****ting where we eat, just pure capitalist economics.
Vertical urban farming, energy reclamation, cutting edge technology for massive infrastructure update/change, energy production just to name a few. All of which have even bigger foreign policy impact. EVEN IMMIGRATION! Think about a whole slew of industry that goes around globe, for profit, helping to establish self sustained infrastructures so those yucky other people can stay in their homes? Walk through all of that while looking at what China is doing and then tell me about how it's all fantasy because of convenient "market forces".
If you can't grasp the issues on social/ecological level then look at it through your pocket book, the one you say is being looted, and ask why the great American engine would be so ****ing stupid.
So all of this would have an impact on the major issues of domestic and foreign policy. EVEN TERRORISTS! But **** that you bunch of pussy tree huggers.
Anyone ever think the magnates of modern America are really just a bunch of pussies afraid of free market innovations? Yeah, they are.
In other news, millions of people without power and shelter. Get your damn hands out of my pockets Texas and Florida.
It makes you wonder when these extreme weather events will cause people to wake up and acknowledge that climate change is happening and it's not good for anyone.
Houston just endured their third "500 year flood" in the last three years. Coincidence? Sure, as long as you don't believe in statistical theory and probabilities. I'm sure David Stern and the NBA draft lottery would disagree.
Irma got cranked up to a level of intensity we've not seen before due to warmer than usual water temps. Only thing preventing Florida from completely being wiped off the map was Cuba slowing it down. But I'm sure someone will rationalize it was "God's will" that it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
We all have a common interest living on this planet and I'm hopeful that Irma will finally be the catalyst for the masses to get our politicians to wake up and smell the coffee. We need to start doing things differently with how we treat and interact with the environment and atmosphere or bad things are going to become a lot more common.
Hey! New business idea. Instead of constantly trolling fish out of existence in the oceans, troll for mountains of plastics to use as building materials for sea levees or rebuilding homes.
Innovation . . . in New Zealand.
Plus you get more fish because they aren't all ****ing dead from over fishing and pollution. What wizardry is this?!
Works for me Hank.
I wonder if that will happen before or after the federal govt bails out Texas and Florida for their unlucky encounters with fluke weather events? The same states that don't believe in any forms of government intervention?
Muricans being conflicted should make for good TV.
What's that old spite your face thingy? I think if we start changing the narrative to how these people/interests are a bunch of anti-capitalist pussies things will change . . . or they'll become communists and call it patriotic, which is worth it just for the comedy.
Don't think of death, destruction and misery. THINK OF THE DOLLA DOLLA BILLS Y'ALL!