Right, two firsts and third and they did the Rams a favor by taking on his salary. Will the Packers get more for Rodgers? Yeah, probably. But this whole 5 1st rounders and all their young talent crap is crazy.
I think if it’s just picks, the starting point for GBP is 2 1s and 2 2s and they have to be in 2022 and 2023. I think they could get Denver to also throw in a 3 in 2022 which is almost like another 2nd rounder.
The Niners gave up their 1st (12 overall), a 3rd rounder, and 2 1s in 2022 and 2023 to move up to 3rd overall to draft an unproven Trey Lance.
Of course Rodgers is worth a shit ton in terms of trade value. And there are at least a half dozen teams in the league that would be ready to trade away the future to get him.
@CUPackFan posted:You're probably right but I can dream, can't I? Maybe drop a second a third and a player, so for both it'd be 3 firsts, a second, a third and a player for Rodgers and Adams. Even if it's only 2 firsts, doesn't change my plan.
Absolutely. I for one love your dream, but it's a dream.
@Tschmack posted:I think if it’s just picks, the starting point for GBP is 2 1s and 2 2s and they have to be in 2022 and 2023. I think they could get Denver to also throw in a 3 in 2022 which is almost like another 2nd rounder.
The Niners gave up their 1st (12 overall), a 3rd rounder, and 2 1s in 2022 and 2023 to move up to 3rd overall to draft an unproven Trey Lance.
Of course Rodgers is worth a shit ton in terms of trade value. And there are at least a half dozen teams in the league that would be ready to trade away the future to get him.
Niners coughing up that much is for excellent draft position. I could see Rodgers yielding a good amount of picks but I doubt there's much in the way of players.
This whole package deal that Denver fans are delusional over is another thing. They aren't going to package Rodgers and Adams together. If Denver gives the Packers their 1st and 2nd for the next decade, great.
@Tschmack posted:I think if it’s just picks, the starting point for GBP is 2 1s and 2 2s and they have to be in 2022 and 2023. I think they could get Denver to also throw in a 3 in 2022 which is almost like another 2nd rounder.
The Niners gave up their 1st (12 overall), a 3rd rounder, and 2 1s in 2022 and 2023 to move up to 3rd overall to draft an unproven Trey Lance.
Of course Rodgers is worth a shit ton in terms of trade value. And there are at least a half dozen teams in the league that would be ready to trade away the future to get him.
Remember also, Denver picked up the Rams (late in the round) 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2022 in the Von Miller trade.
The Broncos have plenty of ammunition (and cap space) to get a deal done with Rodgers.
@Tschmack posted:I think if it’s just picks, the starting point for GBP is 2 1s and 2 2s and they have to be in 2022 and 2023. I think they could get Denver to also throw in a 3 in 2022 which is almost like another 2nd rounder.
The Niners gave up their 1st (12 overall), a 3rd rounder, and 2 1s in 2022 and 2023 to move up to 3rd overall to draft an unproven Trey Lance.
Of course Rodgers is worth a shit ton in terms of trade value. And there are at least a half dozen teams in the league that would be ready to trade away the future to get him.
It's settled then. Rodgers goes back home to SF and Lance comes to GB. That or something similar with Deshawn Watson and the Texans.
@Tschmack posted:Did anyone think Detroit would get 2 firsts and a third and Goff for Stafford? I sure didn’t think he was worth that.
No matter how many times you try to make this comparison, it doesn't change the fact that Detroit got 2 firsts and a 3rd solely because the Rams were desperate to get out of the insanely bad contract Goff has with cap hits of 31/30/30M over the next 3 years.
The Lions weren’t just looking at Goff as a replacement value QB. They know that he’s a bridge this year and next year and after this upcoming year (2023) he can be cut and they save 20M. They aren’t winning with Stafford or Goff but they picked up some extra picks in the process and can take their QB of the future in the 2023 draft or sign a FA.
The Rams are taking a 2 year gamble on Stafford but they’d better hope it works out because they’ve mortgaged the future to do so. It may work though because unlike Rodgers, the Matt Stafford contract is 21M this year and 23M next year. Rodgers is on the books for 46M next year.
If Rodgers were making 23M next year they could easily retain Jaire and Adams. If he comes back I don’t see how they can afford either of them plus they’d have to cut or not extend other key guys.
A proactive FO would have ripped off the Rams for even more last spring.
The Raiders could be in play as well if Rodgers can get them to hire Hackett or Getsy as HC. Unlike Denver, the Raiders send back a QB (Carr) in return and voila Adams gets to play with his other buddy lol.
@Tschmack posted:The Raiders could be in play as well if Rodgers can get them to hire Hackett or Getsy as HC. Unlike Denver, the Raiders send back a QB (Carr) in return and voila Adams gets to play with his other buddy lol.
I'm sure Rodgers can get Mark Davis to see a stylist too.
Considering how much Rodgers is a complete stiff according to you I'd be amazed they could get anything.
We need Tschmack to do a scenario for every team.
@GBFanForLife posted:Wilson isn't from Wisconsin
Badger for life.
Badger for a year and didn't accomplish anything
@GBFanForLife posted:Wilson isn't from Wisconsin
Aaron isn't from SF either
You mean the Russell Wilson that set the NCAA record for pass efficiency? The guy that accounted for 40 TDs in one season? Completed 77% of his passes?
If the Badgers had anyone even mediocre in the secondary that year they may have won a title.
@Chongo posted:Aaron isn't from SF either
He’s the Chico Choker, not really but it has a nice ring to it.
also - don't forget about trading up with these picks again on draft day when someone is ga-ga over a player...and creating a JA situation...now 1 pick becomes 2, then AR12 now turned into 3 firsts...or if WE like a player moving up to get him
@GBFanForLife posted:Badger for a year and didn't accomplish anything
Congrats. Dumb post of the day. But it’s still early.
"I want my number ones back. All of them. I want my picks back and I want David goddam Putney just because I feel like it."
Olave or Wilson from my Buckeyes I think be a good piece for him to have.
@Henry posted:I have no idea why people think the Packers would get this kind of haul.
For better or (usually) worse, when teams like the Rams make deals for QBs (like Stafford), that sets the market.
I agree too much fantasy-think exists amongst fans from both teams, but a combination of picks and players is totally realistic. But giving up 1st round picks and multiple starters ain't.
Nonetheless, the starting point has to be 2 1st-round picks for ARod. After that, all is negotiable.
Also, I don't know how any team can make a 'package' deal for Rodgers and Adams. In that scenario, a team would likely be giving up a minimum of 3 1st-round picks, possibly additional picks as well, and I think that is way too heavy a price for any one team to pay.
@Blair Kiel posted:Congrats. Dumb post of the day. But it’s still early.
What did he do that was so special? Lose the rose bowl?
My advice, drop the shovel and stop digging.
Before this loss, I was all warm and fuzzy over the idea that AR could come back, take a huge pay cut for the team, keep everyone we have now and all that Kumbaya shit. After the loss, like many of you, I see it on more of a reality basis. Even if it did happen, would pushing the cap way back again be worth it to bring the band back together that couldn't win the big one or even get there? No.
It's time to move on, and this is the year we can get the most in a trade for Rodgers. It won't be what some are hoping, including me, but we can dream. We will get good compensation, however. And if he goes to Denver, I want this year's picks, not next year's when they will have finished a lot higher this year with Rodgers on their team. I think their #1 pick this year, at the least, would be fair. I'm not sure what else they could get.
The other expensive piece is Adams. His franchise tag cost is projected to be about 19 million. I don't think they can afford that and still remain a competetive team. Unlike Rodgers, Adams has made it clear he wants to get paid, and he also made it clear he doesn't want to be on the team without AR. Neither is palitable, nor is the prospect of being without the team's #1 receiver. It sucks, but I'd rather keep the money on the defense and draft WR's. So let him walk.
The Smith brothers are also a big expense. It would be nice to keep Preston because he's a pass rusher that sets the edge, but he's already taken a restructure. And, what Preston do we get next year? I would make him an offer, but not until I know where the salary cap stands. It would be nice to have Z Smith back as well, but he's just too costly for a pass rusher not willing to set the edge, and he's had a back injury. I think you let him walk.
Zaire is tough, because like Timpranillo said, who do you keep if you had to make a choice, him or Gary? Given you're also going to pay Campbell if you keep him, and Douglas if you keep him, these are some tough choices. Because MLB has been so tough to find and a crapshoot to draft and then time to develop, I'd make it a priority to sign Campbell. I'd also make it a priority to sign Gary because it's also rare to find a pass rusher who can also contain. Campbell's going to be a premium contract, Gary's will be ultra premium. They need to do what they can to keep Zaire. He's another young super talent but will take another ultra premium contract. Love Douglas, but we won't be able to keep him if we keep those three. Douglas will rightfully demand a decent sized contract.
On the O-line, I let Kelly walk and see if Turner's willing to sign a team-friendly contract. If not, let him walk too. I'd try to keep Yosh, because depth will be an issue with Bak's recovery not going well, and Jenkins missing at least half the season next year. But Niman played well at a premium spot and may be unaffordable.
And like others mentioned, let Love play and let the chips fall where they may. If we need a QB, we can get one in 2023.
2011 (at Wisconsin): Named third-team All-American by Yahoo! Sports and Phil Steele ... honorable mention All-American by SI.com ... finalist for the Manning Award and Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award ... semifinalist for Davey O'Brien Award and Maxwell Award ... winner of the Grese-Brees Big Ten Quarterback of the year ... consensus first-team All-Big Ten ... named Jimmy Demetral Team MVP ... invited to Senior Bowl and NFL scouting combine
Passing Stats
3175
Yards
72.82
Passing %
33
Touchdowns
4
ints
Heart breaking loss in the Rosebowl, but he is the best Badger QB of all time
Wilson had arguably the best season for a QB in Big Ten history. 33/4 is ridiculous. Completing 3/4 of your passes? It’s not like UW featured LSU receivers.
@Harry Manback posted:Before this loss, I was all warm and fuzzy over the idea that AR could come back, take a huge pay cut for the team, keep everyone we have now and all that Kumbaya shit. After the loss, like many of you, I see it on more of a reality basis. Even if it did happen, would pushing the cap way back again be worth it to bring the band back together that couldn't win the big one or even get there?
Zaire is tough, because like Timpranillo said, who do you keep if you had to make a choice, him or Gary? Given you're also going to pay Campbell if you keep him, and Douglas if you keep him, these are some tough choices. Because MLB has been so tough to find and a crapshoot to draft and then time to develop, I'd make it a priority to sign Campbell. I'd also make it a priority to sign Gary because it's also rare to find a pass rusher who can also contain. Campbell's going to be a premium contract, Gary's will be ultra premium. They need to do what they can to keep Zaire. He's another young super talent but will take another ultra premium contract. Love Douglas, but we won't be able to keep him if we keep those three. Douglas will rightfully demand a decent sized contract.
On the O-line, I let Kelly walk and see if Turner's willing to sign a team-friendly contract. If not, let him walk too. I'd try to keep Yosh, because depth will be an issue with Bak's recovery not going well, and Jenkins missing at least half the season next year. But Niman played well at a premium spot and may be unaffordable.
And like others mentioned, let Love play and let the chips fall where they may. If we need a QB, we can get one in 2023.
quite the analysis. just wondering: who is “Zaire”?
@GBFanForLife posted:What did he do that was so special? Lose the rose bowl?
New dumbest post of the day.
You’re on a roll.
The should start up a new forum just for the Russell Wilson infatuation.
@Pikes Peak posted:My advice, drop the shovel and stop digging.
Nope. The pathetic infatuation with Wilson on this message board is beyond comprehension.
Examples?
@GBFanForLife posted:Nope. The pathetic infatuation with Wilson on this message board is beyond comprehension.
I’m no Badger fan but Russell Wilson is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and is one helluva dude representing his franchise. What the fuck isn’t to like about the guy?