LET THE LOVE ERA BEGIN.

@YATittle posted:

And why in God's name was a great offensive weapon like Dillon working as BLOCKER on kickoff return teams??????? Breaking a rib in the process.

In playoff games, MLF is just as bad as AR.

I don't mind playing Dillon on special teams at all. If anything this past game has shown us, it's that those special teams snaps are just as important as any other snaps. There were 23 special teams snaps and 3 of them cost the Packers the game. Sure, Rodgers didn't elevate his game and J. Alexander missed a tackle on the game winning drive for the Niners, but in the end it was a blocked punt, a blocked FG, and a kickoff return to midfield that were the 3 most important plays in the game. The two plays alone were obviously 10 point swings and they were done in by the ineptitude of the schemes but it came down to 2 players: Lancaster and Wirtel, who were both near the bottom of the roster in terms of how important we thought they'd be.

It's not like Dillon is a QB or a WR. He gets hit on almost every offensive snap he plays whether he runs the ball or has to pick up a guy in pass protection. He's probably less likely to get hurt on special teams than in his normal role. I guess if he'd have torn an ACL playing on special teams and moving in a way he normally wouldn't that would be different, but he got hurt because he got hit hard the same way he'd have been hit running the ball or picking up a blitzing LB.

The bigger questions are why some these other guys were active instead of someone else that could have been more useful. 

Patrick Taylor, 3rd string RB, 1 offensive snap, 1 special teams snap

Amari Rodgers, 0 offensive snaps, 8 special teams snaps.

The Packers inactives included Vernon Scott and Garvin. Garvin had about 10 special teams snaps every game during the year. Vernon Scott and 6-9 in the 3 games he played. They released Yiadom during the week and he had played as many ST snaps as anyone on the team. Keke also usually got a half dozen snaps in on ST every week.

They kept Taylor active, but called a timeout on a 1st and 10 at the 30 to let Jones rest and get back in the game. If you didn't trust him to run off-tackle or pick up a blitz for 2-3 plays, why is he even active.

Amari Rodgers made it through a game without screwing up. Yay. He caught a couple of punts and ran diagonally to the sideline on every one. It was basically "don't screw this up." If that's all he was going to do, why not Cobb or anyone else back there to open up another spot?

They also activated 4 guys who were returning from injury that functioned as backups during the game - Cobb, Mercilus, Z. Smith, and Alexander, that combined to play 1 snap on special teams. Alexander played 8 defensive snaps total and Mercilus played 12. Alexander missed a tackle on the most critical play of the last drive because he turned his body to hit Samuel with his healthy shoulder and whiffed. If he makes the tackle the Niners have something like 4th and 6 from the 38 yard line with less than 2 minutes left.

It just shows how many little things the coaching staff messed up on. It was the special teams schemes. Decisions on who to activate (Alexander and Mercilus should not have been active. Decisions on how to construct the starting OL and a failure to adjust (Nijman and Newman were active and played 6 ST snaps between them).

  Same thing I said on the previous post but in a sorter version.   

Man, the more I read here, the more I'm ready to move on. Let's go Jordan!

Oh, and David Putney to return kicks.

And it was one of Henry's favorite whipping boys, Dean Lowery, that missed the block on Jimmie Ward that allowed him to block the FG at the half.

NORTHWESTERN, DAMMIT!

@Jessie Clark posted:

quite the analysis. just wondering:  who is “Zaire”?

That's a good question, LOL.  You know, that guy who's a cross between Z and Jaire.

His other favorite whipping boy (and NW alumnus) Lancaster was responsible for the FG block.

@MichiganPacker posted:

If he stays in the NFC (and I think Green Bay is his only realistic option where he can win), the other good QBs are Matt Stafford, Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray.

Agreed, NFC is his best shot. No love for Dak? And TB is likely coming back.

Regarding Rodgers in the playoffs - yes, the defense and special teams has let him down.  You really can't debate that.  But great QBs rise above.  I mean look at the Bills-Chiefs game.  You don't think the Chiefs defense folded like lawn chair and let Mahomes down?  They completely melted down and threw the game away.  But Mahomes rose above and won.  Unfortunately for Rodgers, at his level that's what separates him from Brady, Mahomes, etc. 

You have to wonder what was happening behind the scenes during practice and meetings.  You hear those MVS and ESB stories and have to wonder how often Rodgers was operating counter to the message from coaches. He said it himself, he's an independent critical thinker.  Unfortunately, being an independent critical thinker on the football field can be a bad thing.  An organization has to be in tune from top to bottom, especially when it comes to a head coach and QB. 

I just think it's time to move on.  This was their best chance because I just don't see how they're going to bring back a better team than this year.  And what is going to be better next year that wasn't already in place the last 3 years?  Sometimes it's just time. 

@ammo posted:

And it was one of Henry's favorite whipping boys, Dean Lowery, that missed the block on Jimmie Ward that allowed him to block the FG at the half.

@michiganjoe posted:

His other favorite whipping boy (and NW alumnus) Lancaster was responsible for the FG block.

so we can surmise someone from northwestern missed the block   

@CUPackFan posted:

Regarding Rodgers in the playoffs - yes, the defense and special teams has let him down.  You really can't debate that.  But great QBs rise above.  I mean look at the Bills-Chiefs game.  You don't think the Chiefs defense folded like lawn chair and let Mahomes down?  They completely melted down and threw the game away.  But Mahomes rose above and won.  Unfortunately for Rodgers, at his level that's what separates him from Brady, Mahomes, etc.

You have to wonder what was happening behind the scenes during practice and meetings.  You hear those MVS and ESB stories and have to wonder how often Rodgers was operating counter to the message from coaches. He said it himself, he's an independent critical thinker.  Unfortunately, being an independent critical thinker on the football field can be a bad thing.  An organization has to be in tune from top to bottom, especially when it comes to a head coach and QB.

I just think it's time to move on.  This was their best chance because I just don't see how they're going to bring back a better team than this year.  And what is going to be better next year that wasn't already in place the last 3 years?  Sometimes it's just time.

A competent ST coach?

Bojo looked like he was checking for a spot to autograph that ball before he kicked it. And to let a guy come right up the middle as your blocker is frozen in place. Just a clusterf--- 

Keep looking at punters but Bojo is better than Opie.
A different holder and L snapper might be in order.

Bojo kicked that chunk of ice 70yds on one of his punts.  Then again it seemed like all the playoff teams had good punters.

@Thunderbird posted:

so we can surmise someone from northwestern missed the block   

Maybe they can hire Pat Fitzgerald as ST coach?

I'll take an average punter that can hold the ball for the guy that scores points than a guy that can launch it and be a liability everywhere else.

@Harry Manback posted:

That's a good question, LOL.  You know, that guy who's a cross between Z and Jaire.

Zaire, officially the Republic of Zaire, was the name of a sovereign state between 1971 and 1997 in Central Africa that was previously and is now again known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Or maybe get your goddamn backup QB to hold for kicks.  Or someone else.

Bojo is a really good punter.  It’s taken them years to get a guy that decent.  

@Tschmack posted:

Or maybe get your goddamn backup QB to hold for kicks.  Or someone else.

Bojo is a really good punter.  It’s taken them years to get a guy that decent.  

This

@Henry posted:

I'll take an average punter that can hold the ball for the guy that scores points than a guy that can launch it and be a liability everywhere else.

Where is it written that the punter has to hold.
I've been saying it should be a QB for a long time.

@Pakrz posted:

I’m no Badger fan but Russell Wilson is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and is one helluva dude representing his franchise. What the fuck isn’t to like about the guy?

I'd like to see a segment where the professional athletes get to criticize the internet forum posters "off the field" behavior.     

Of course I'm excluded because I don't give a fuck if this one boofs ivermectin and that one sells Jesus sweat infused water.    I simply don't give a fuck.  The only time I do give a fuck is when they use the football stage to peddle their believe system.   I am tuned in for football, and football only.

@PackerHawk posted:

Zaire, officially the Republic of Zaire, was the name of a sovereign state between 1971 and 1997 in Central Africa that was previously and is now again known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

You don’t say.

That PackerHawk guy is pretty smert.

@Blair Kiel posted:

You don’t say.

"It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing Milkbone shorts."

@BrainDed posted:

I'd like to see a segment where the professional athletes get to criticize the internet forum posters "off the field" behavior.     

Of course I'm excluded because I don't give a fuck if this one boofs ivermectin and that one sells Jesus sweat infused water.    I simply don't give a fuck.  The only time I do give a fuck is when they use the football stage to peddle their believe system.   I am tuned in for football, and football only.

Deshaun Watson appreciates your tolerance.

Milkbone underwear.  Underwear.

@Pakrz posted:

Deshaun Watson appreciates your tolerance.

That guy rubs me the wrong way.

@Blair Kiel posted:

That guy rubs me the wrong way.

How do you want him to rub you?

@Tschmack posted:

Or maybe get your goddamn backup QB to hold for kicks.  Or someone else.

Bojo is a really good punter.  It’s taken them years to get a guy that decent.  

If you have a young backup QB like Love, he needs as many reps (and observations of AR's practice reps while standing next to the coaches) as he can get. If he's taking hundreds of snaps in practice instead of doing that, it's a poor long term investment.

If, on the other hand, your backup QB is a long-term vet that you don't need to develop (let's say, a Ryan Fitzpatrick or a Chad Henne), then it would make sense to have them hold.

@Harry Manback posted:

"It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing Milkbone shorts."

Then you have nothing to worry about.  The dogs are eating each other - not milk bones or underwear. 

It likely means nothing, but there was a period in the SF game where I kept hearing ARod call "Kill!" pre-snap. Of course, that should mean he's changing the play called, and, in these cases, was checking to a rushing play (that went nowhere).
This makes me believe he must've been seeing a light box, but the Niners didn't have any problems defending the rush.

Should the Packers move on from Rodgers, a young QB's best friends are his OL and his TE. I think they are good on the OL, but definitely need to work on the TE situation. Excellent RBs are icing on the cookies.
A solid defense can be quite the help, as well.

@PackerHawk posted:

Zaire, officially the Republic of Zaire, was the name of a sovereign state between 1971 and 1997 in Central Africa that was previously and is now again known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Wasn't it also the site of the Rumble in the Jungle?

You are correct:

rumble in the jungle

@MichiganPacker posted:

I don't mind playing Dillon on special teams at all. If anything this past game has shown us, it's that those special teams snaps are just as important as any other snaps. There were 23 special teams snaps and 3 of them cost the Packers the game. Sure, Rodgers didn't elevate his game and J. Alexander missed a tackle on the game winning drive for the Niners, but in the end it was a blocked punt, a blocked FG, and a kickoff return to midfield that were the 3 most important plays in the game. The two plays alone were obviously 10 point swings and they were done in by the ineptitude of the schemes but it came down to 2 players: Lancaster and Wirtel, who were both near the bottom of the roster in terms of how important we thought they'd be.

It's not like Dillon is a QB or a WR. He gets hit on almost every offensive snap he plays whether he runs the ball or has to pick up a guy in pass protection. He's probably less likely to get hurt on special teams than in his normal role. I guess if he'd have torn an ACL playing on special teams and moving in a way he normally wouldn't that would be different, but he got hurt because he got hit hard the same way he'd have been hit running the ball or picking up a blitzing LB.

The bigger questions are why some these other guys were active instead of someone else that could have been more useful.

Patrick Taylor, 3rd string RB, 1 offensive snap, 1 special teams snap

Amari Rodgers, 0 offensive snaps, 8 special teams snaps.

The Packers inactives included Vernon Scott and Garvin. Garvin had about 10 special teams snaps every game during the year. Vernon Scott and 6-9 in the 3 games he played. They released Yiadom during the week and he had played as many ST snaps as anyone on the team. Keke also usually got a half dozen snaps in on ST every week.

They kept Taylor active, but called a timeout on a 1st and 10 at the 30 to let Jones rest and get back in the game. If you didn't trust him to run off-tackle or pick up a blitz for 2-3 plays, why is he even active.

Amari Rodgers made it through a game without screwing up. Yay. He caught a couple of punts and ran diagonally to the sideline on every one. It was basically "don't screw this up." If that's all he was going to do, why not Cobb or anyone else back there to open up another spot?

They also activated 4 guys who were returning from injury that functioned as backups during the game - Cobb, Mercilus, Z. Smith, and Alexander, that combined to play 1 snap on special teams. Alexander played 8 defensive snaps total and Mercilus played 12. Alexander missed a tackle on the most critical play of the last drive because he turned his body to hit Samuel with his healthy shoulder and whiffed. If he makes the tackle the Niners have something like 4th and 6 from the 38 yard line with less than 2 minutes left.

It just shows how many little things the coaching staff messed up on. It was the special teams schemes. Decisions on who to activate (Alexander and Mercilus should not have been active. Decisions on how to construct the starting OL and a failure to adjust (Nijman and Newman were active and played 6 ST snaps between them).

Dillon was  TOO IMPORTANT to the offense to be out there. Period. Nijman could have taken his spot as a "blocker."

Cincy

Baltimore

NE too many to count

KC 2

Denver 2

LA Rams 1 or 2

SF 2 or 3

Seattle 2

Atlanta

Carolina

Tampa Bay

NY Giants

Philly.

So now 13 of the other 31 NFL teams have been to the Super Bowl since the Packers last appeared, several of them multiple times.

Does the FRONT OFFICE run it back once again with Rodge and Davante and a depleted roster to "remain competitive" and God willing win the illustrious NFC North for the 9th time in 12 years?

Or, is it time to stop celebrating regular season Rodge and having a better record over the pathetic trio of division opponents and try something new to actually compete for a Lombardi once again?

I repeat, time to trade Rodge for some premium picks and let's see what Gutey's QB can do.

Hope 10 was taking notes on what good qb looks like - bengals chiefs bills wow

Love may actually thrive in a system like the Bills' where he's allowed to freelance more, run around, and then either throw on the run or run the ball.

I am not sure, but based on the way MLF called the Chiefs game I can see why he panics any time the subject of 12 leaving comes up. That was a poorly called game. How often does 12 rescue him from that?