LET THE LOVE ERA BEGIN.

@Pakrz posted:

Disagree.  It's more of an admission that GB didn't know 12 would win back to back MVP's at this stage of his career.  I sure as hell wouldn't have predicted that either.  

At this point... I couldn't care less about the #1 pick used on Love.  

12 could have just as easily slipped into being an average QB (I think Mayo deserves a lot of credit for coaching AR back up into an MVP, lots of bad habits came from McCarthy). 

I can see Brandt's argument that you didn't draft Love to not play him, but you also didn't know hiring Mayo would make AR an MVP again. 

Also we don't know shit about Love.  I don't think trading AR or resigning him means as much about Love as anyone thinks, cause we don't know shit about him.  He didn't set the world on fire when he got the chance, but he also didn't get first time reps and a pre-season either. 

Theoretical value is not the same as real value.  The Packers shouldn't double down on a drafting mistake, although it's clear we don't know enough about Love yet.  But they do.

The Packers could have a Mahomes type QB or Joe Burrow type QB follow AR after his Packers career is done and fans will always compare that QB to him. The bar is so high I doubt any QB would ever live up to it.

But he's a load of crap, whoever he is.

@Henry posted:

Oh shit, the biggest Packer homer on x4 is getting downvoted for hard truths.

Keep your head on the swivel Robespierre.

Just IC and YA. Now that they are dating they've conspired to downvote my best posts.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

We have to trust the coaches when it comes to Love (and other matters of the heart).  I still feel 50/50 that AR stays or goes. I actually think it is complex to trade an MVP and get equal value back.

For the FO the decision is simple. If Rodgers won't sign for at least 3 years trade him and go with Love. I am fine with either decision.

@Jessie Clark posted:

his inaccuracy is the problem.  not sure that can be fixed

Inaccuracy often comes from uncertainty.

@13X posted:

I think you're right. Love seemed completely clueless to the pressure around him in addition to horrible decision making. I just don't know if some of that stuff can be taught....

Rodgers learned it.

@Floridarob posted:

The Packers could have a Mahomes type QB or Joe Burrow type QB follow AR after his Packers career is done and fans will always compare that QB to him. The bar is so high I doubt any QB would ever live up to it.

Not immediately, but if that new guy is successful the fans will move on. They did after Favre.

@Goalline posted:

For the FO the decision is simple. If Rodgers won't sign for at least 3 years trade him and go with Love. I am fine with either decision.

Obviously.  Your desire to trade someone doesn't equal someone else's desire to trade for that someone

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Obviously.  Your desire to trade someone doesn't equal someone else's desire to trade for that someone

So, not obvious?

Seeing a lot of the narrative that the pick was somehow driven by the perceived decline of AR. All the reporting strongly suggests that if the wideouts the team had highly rated were still on the board they would have gone in that direction. Pick of Love really appears to be based on BPA and whether the team's evaluation of him was correct really remains to be seen.

Convinced the team would've picked Brandon Aiyuk had he been there.

@michiganjoe posted:

Seeing a lot of the narrative that the pick was somehow driven by the perceived decline of AR. All the reporting strongly suggests that if the wideouts the team had highly rated were still on the board they would have gone in that direction. Pick of Love really appears to be based on BPA and whether the team's evaluation of him was correct really remains to be seen.

I would agree if they hadn't traded up for him.

BPA and a minor trade-up. Think they had him targeted all along?

@Goalline posted:

Just IC and YA. Now that they are dating they've conspired to downvote my best posts.

People actually bother to read your posts?

@Fedya posted:

People actually bother to read your posts?

No. They are too busy reading your movie reviews.

@michiganjoe posted:

BPA and a minor trade-up. Think they had him targeted all along?

I am not sure. Nothing conclusive, but I think the trade may be evidence of that. Not exactly a smoking gun though.

There's a belief that #Colts QB Carson Wentz will "'probably" be traded or released before March 19th, per @mortreport. That's when $15M in base salary becomes guaranteed. His future in Indianapolis looks "bleak."

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 13, 2022

Second overall pick. QB is and always has been the most difficult position to evaluate.

GoallineLarge Antenna

Thats one.

Would a trade to Indy be a possibility for AR?  Indoors, fast track. Very good D. Strong OLine with a great running game.  Solid, if not very good WR group. QB friendly HC. They have plenty of cap room.

@PackLandVA posted:

Would a trade to Indy be a possibility for AR?  Indoors, fast track. Very good D. Strong OLine with a great running game.  Solid, if not very good WR group. QB friendly HC. They have plenty of cap room.

You would need to ask AR

Word is IND is still pretty high on Wentz.

@michiganjoe posted:

There's a belief that #Colts QB Carson Wentz will "'probably" be traded or released before March 19th, per @mortreport. That's when $15M in base salary becomes guaranteed. His future in Indianapolis looks "bleak."

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 13, 2022

Second overall pick. QB is and always has been the most difficult position to evaluate.

Look at what they gave the Eagles for him. The Eagles made a great trade.

Yeah, that Wentz trade was crap. Not as bad as the Sam Bradford trade but they paid way too much.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

12 could have just as easily slipped into being an average QB (I think Mayo deserves a lot of credit for coaching AR back up into an MVP, lots of bad habits came from McCarthy).

I can see Brandt's argument that you didn't draft Love to not play him, but you also didn't know hiring Mayo would make AR an MVP again.

Also we don't know shit about Love.  I don't think trading AR or resigning him means as much about Love as anyone thinks, cause we don't know shit about him.  He didn't set the world on fire when he got the chance, but he also didn't get first time reps and a pre-season either.

Can't remember where I read it but someone mentioned the decision is probably 85% Rodgers being back-to-back MVP and 15% Love not looking so good.  Even if Love did look like Rodgers back in that Dallas game in 2007, I still don't think the front office moves on to Love.  I don't think Love could actually be good enough to move on from Rodgers.  No way the front office could have foreseen back to back MVPs. 

@michiganjoe posted:

Seeing a lot of the narrative that the pick was somehow driven by the perceived decline of AR. All the reporting strongly suggests that if the wideouts the team had highly rated were still on the board they would have gone in that direction. Pick of Love really appears to be based on BPA and whether the team's evaluation of him was correct really remains to be seen.

Seeing a lot of the narrative that the Packer FRONT OFFICE made a no brainer of a selection in taking a "consensus" (according to these fans) NFL standout QB of the future when Jordan Love fell to them at pick #26 of round 1 of the 2020 NFL draft.

Of course, this narrative is being pushed by the same FRONT OFFICE fans who don't want to acknowledge the indisputable fact that the FRONT OFFICE traded a fourth round pick to move up and get their guy.

Bringing up the opportunity cost of trading a 4th round pick to move up and take a QB in round 1 who contributed nothing (other than a putrid performance in KC) when the Pack was on the precipice of a SB in 2020 and 2021 is now considered to be (by the FO loyalists ) as blasphemous as mentioning the decision to take Kevin King over the he who must remain nameless 2021 NFL defensive player of the year.

The Packers had multiple WRs sitting on the board at 30 who could have contributed in 2020 and 2021 (one of them is starting in today's SB) and instead chose to move up and take a QB while Rodgers was under contract for 5 more years.

No amount of spinning, obfuscating, or splainin' can erase the fact that the FRONT OFFICE took a colossal gamble by taking a QB in round 1 of the 2020 draft,

If Love turns out, the FRONT OFFICE's risk will be rewarded and they will be justly praised for it.

If Love does not turn out, the Love pick will be seen as one thing and one thing only, a colossal F UP -- again other than by the loyal FRONT OFFICE fans.

#113 times of SteveLuke telling us the same thing. Give it a rest.

FO no brainer = Viks

@ammo posted:

#113 times of SteveLuke telling us the same thing. Give it a rest.

At least he’s pithy about it.

Sure that isn't pissy?

@Goalline posted:

For the FO the decision is simple. If Rodgers won't sign for at least 3 years trade him and go with Love. I am fine with either decision.

Two would be better, then they have Love's 5th-year option still as an option.

Send AR to Denver for a king's ransom and get Drew Lock for the hell of it. Maybe one of the kids will work out here.

@ammo posted:

#113 times of SteveLuke telling us the same thing. Give it a rest.

I promise to try and be more sympathetic to you and the rest of FRONT OFFICE sycophants who insist the poor Packers had no choice but to select Jordan Love and that there was no player who could have possibly helped the team compete for a Super Bowl available at #30 anyway, despite the fact that every time you repeat that drivel it remains demonstrably untrue.

Time to let the lapdogs who are already gettin lathered up just thinking about the Pack's next great 3rd round selection or debatin' about whether the 2013, 2016, or 2020 NFC North title was more fulfillin' have the floor.

Say hi to Murph and Gutey for me in the mornin'.

@SteveLuke posted:

Seeing a lot of the narrative that the Packer FRONT OFFICE made a no brainer of a selection in taking a "consensus" (according to these fans) NFL standout QB of the future when Jordan Love fell to them at pick #26 of round 1 of the 2020 NFL draft.

Odds of hitting on a QB at the end of the first are always extremely small. They had an aging QB and did the same thing they did with AR- trust their board. If they end up being wrong in their evaluation of Love that's just the nature of the NFL draft.

Fair to believe they should have went in a different direction with the pick but I don't see it as some sort of massive blunder.

There is a scenario where if AR doesn't accept GB's offer - money, years, FA's to re-sign,etc - and GB tries to trade him, AR decides to retire instead because he'd really only want to finish his career here.  Seems he holds all the cards.

@michiganjoe posted:

Odds of hitting on a QB at the end of the first are always extremely small. They had an aging QB and did the same thing they did with AR- trust their board. If they end up being wrong in their evaluation of Love that's just the nature of the NFL draft.

Fair to believe they should have went in a different direction with the pick but I don't see it as some sort of massive blunder.

It would be easier to agree with you had they not had major needs at the WR and DT positions and if they didn't also throw away a 4th round pick to move up and act like they won the lottery when they picked him. I do see it as a massive blunder considering they were only potentially a couple of players away and Love was coming off of a terrible season.

It’s a late round 1st who cares?   I really don’t think Gute and MM will simply trade Rodgers because they spent a pick in the 20s on a QB that may or may not play.

If you want to be pissed, go back to the 2017 draft.   Talk about a missed opportunity.

Where it could get interesting is if Rodgers demands to be traded to an NFC team like Tampa or SF.   To me, I don’t give a shit where he ends up.  If a trade is going to happen you deal him to the highest bidder.  If that’s the Niners so be it.

@Tschmack posted:

It’s a late round 1st who cares?   I really don’t think Gute and MM will simply trade Rodgers because they spent a pick in the 20s on a QB that may or may not play.

If you want to be pissed, go back to the 2017 draft.   Talk about a missed opportunity.

The first 4 rounds of both the 2017 and 2018 drafts, with two exceptions, were as bad as it gets. 1 great player, 1 good 2nd string RB, 2 other guys who played but shouldn't have.

They had 9 picks in those two drafts in the top 4 rounds.

2017

2. King, 2. Josh Jones, 3. Montravius Adams, 4. Biegel, 4. J. Williams

2018

1. Alexander, 2. Josh Jackson, 3. Oren Burks, 4.  J'Mon Moore

The 2019 and 2020 drafts were better at the top, but because of injuries, only R. Gary and DeGuara were really on the field for the second half of the Niners game.

2019

1. Gary, 1. Savage, 2. E. Jenkins, 3. Sternberger (no 4th rounder)

2020

1. Love, 2. Dillon, 3. DeGuara (no 4th rounder)

So, out of the guys that should be your top draft picks in Years 2-5 for your team - they had Rashan Gary and DeGuara playing a playoff game out of 16 picks.