@Tschmack posted:Where it could get interesting is if Rodgers demands to be traded to an NFC team like Tampa or SF. To me, I don’t give a shit where he ends up. If a trade is going to happen you deal him to the highest bidder. If that’s the Niners so be it.
The Niners have no ammo to be the highest bidder
@michiganjoe posted:Seeing a lot of the narrative that the pick was somehow driven by the perceived decline of AR. All the reporting strongly suggests that if the wideouts the team had highly rated were still on the board they would have gone in that direction. Pick of Love really appears to be based on BPA and whether the team's evaluation of him was correct really remains to be seen.
Then they need to hire someone else to evaluate WR because they suck at it. That draft was so ridiculously deep at WR it was stupid. Deebo Samuels, 2nd round. They could've traded BACK, grabbed more picks and an excellent WR.
Agree with Henry. Since drafting Adams, they haven't drafted or acquired a WR that is better than average.
The best WR the the current FO has nabbed was a UDFA in Lazard. Adams was gifted to them.
Ted Thompson had flaws as a GM, especially later in his time in GB as his cognitive abilities waned, but the man sure did make an attempt to draft receiving talent - and he mostly succeeded especially at WR.
2005 Terrence Murphy round 2 (career cut short by injury)
2006 Greg Jennings round 2
2007 James Jones round 3
2008 Jordy Nelson round 2
2008 Jermichael Finley round 3
2011 Randall Cobb round 2
2014 Davante Adams round 2
Tonyan was very late Ted UDFA addition.
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Gute has selected 3 "pass catchers" in rounds 1-3 in his 4 years as GM.
2019 Jace Sternberger round 3
2020 Josiah Degaura
2021 Amari Rodgers round 3
After round 3, he has selected J'mon Moore, MVS, and ESB and picked up Lazard.
Everyone knows that MLF's scheme relies more on the running game than did MM's, but Gute's receiving "weapon" additions to date have not been good. At all.
@SteveLuke posted:Ted Thompson had flaws as a GM, especially later in his time in GB as his cognitive abilities waned, but the man sure did make an attempt to draft receiving talent - and he mostly succeeded especially at WR.
2005 Terrence Murphy round 2 (career cut short by injury)
2006 Greg Jennings round 2
2007 James Jones round 3
2008 Jordy Nelson round 2
2008 Jermichael Finley round 3
2011 Randall Cobb round 2
2014 Davante Adams round 2
Tonyan was very late Ted UDFA addition.
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Gute has selected 3 "pass catchers" in rounds 1-3 in his 4 years as GM.
2019 Jace Sternberger round 3
2020 Josiah Degaura
2021 Amari Rodgers round 3
After round 3, he has selected J'mon Moore, MVS, and ESB and picked up Lazard.
Everyone knows that MLF's scheme relies more on the running game than did MM's, but Gute's receiving "weapon" additions to date have not been good. At all.
Later in TT's GM role, he had a few misses at WR/TE. He drafted Ty Montgomery in the 3rd round in 2015 and RichRod at TE in Round 3 in 2014. He also drafted Abbrederis, Yancey, and Trevor Davis in the 5th round.
MVS was a good 5th round pick.
The real problem is that they haven't invested a pick higher than 75th overall (Amari Rodgers) in a WR since they drafted Adams. They drafted Sternberger 75th overall. All those guys listed above were pretty high picks overall - Jennings (52th overall), Nelson (36), Cobb (64), Adams (53), Jones (78), Finley (91).
The problem is a domino effect of f'ing up so many high draft picks on DBs. For WR and DB especially, you know the good ones have to be a certain level of speed to be difference makers. That's easy to measure and the fast guys with decent hands go high in the draft at WR. It's similar for DBs - you usually aren't getting starters in Rounds 4-7. Since 2014, the Packers drafted 9 DBS in rounds 1 or 2. They took Alexander and Stokes in the first round of 2018 and 2021 and they've been great. Savage was a first rounder, and has been serviceable but has played more like a 4th or 5th rounder. The other 6 guys are Randall, Rollins, Josh Jones, Josh Jackson, Kevin King, and Clinton-Dix. If any of these 6 guys are playable (I guess King is considered playable), they use some of those 9 picks on other needs - like WR.
Maybe others aren't but I'm talking specifically the year they drafted Love and the supposed "narrative" that they took Love only because the guys they wanted at WR were gone.
That's insane. If they didn't see another talent worthy of a late first or early second they are friggin' nuts.
There's no doubt CB and Oline have been a strong suit for Milt and Gork. Milt is supposedly responsible for Jenkins but considering their relationship I'm guessing they are of like mind.
I am willing to cut the GM some slack on the drafting of Love. I hated it but it’s a split second decision to make after they moved up in the draft to select a WR only to find that they were gone. Then what do they do? My guess is that Love was the next highest ranking player on the board. I agree with Henry that there were probably better players available down the board but they were possibly stuck at that spot because trading back down would be counterproductive. My hope is that Love improves and we get something out of him. He might never be worth his draft slot but it would not be the first time a time a first rounder has disappointed.
@MichiganPacker posted:The first 4 rounds of both the 2017 and 2018 drafts, with two exceptions, were as bad as it gets. 1 great player, 1 good 2nd string RB, 2 other guys who played but shouldn't have.
They had 9 picks in those two drafts in the top 4 rounds.
2017
2. King, 2. Josh Jones, 3. Montravius Adams, 4. Biegel, 4. J. Williams.
The 2017 offseason was a disaster of epic proportions.
You highlight the disastrous picks in round 1-4 (and we all know who King was picked over).
After the 2016 season, the team also moved on from Micah Hyde who was the best Safety on the team (but whom they inexplicably played at slot CB) and instead rolled with HaHa Clinton-Dix and Kentrell Bell in 2018 - with predictable results until Gute smartly sent HHCD at mid-season to Washington D.C.
They also re-signed Nick Perry to a huge new deal in 2017 mostly because they had nothing but the skeleton of Clay at OLB and, of course, the Pack FRONT OFFICE is always eager to prove that one of their high picks who has not done much is about to break out and to bring him back to Green Bay (see King, Kevin).
Then they signed Martellus Bennett for MORE $ than they could have could have re-signed Jared Cook.
Just a brutal set of decisions.
We all now know that Ted Thompson had severely declined from a cognitive standpoint by 2017.
What we do not know, because the Packer press has no interest in cutting off their access to their FRONT OFFICE sources, is who it was in the FRONT OFFICE that is responsible for these decisions.
We do know that when that disastrous 2017 offseason went down Murph was the team President and confessed he had no clue how dysfunctional the personnel side of the operation was.
Finally, we know that Murph, Gute, and Russ B all kept their jobs and in fact that Gutey got promoted to GM after the 2017 season.
Promoting from within and ensuring continuity in the FRONT OFFICE above all else has been critical to the Pack winning all of those NFC North titles since 2011.
That's what's tough to swallow. Yes, this is in print and I'm not digging it up but TT relied almost extensively on Ball. Maybe that's why he didn't get the GM gig, I don't know, but that was obviously a uber horseshit situation.
So what happens? Murphy decides he wants to baby sit a situation he let fester and promote Ball and put Gunk, a puppet, in charge. Pretty clear from a managerial stand point Gert was not at all prepared for the job.
Anyways, there's been a lot of catch up from the end of TT's tenure. That can't be ignored.
Everything from 2019 on has felt like patching a leaky boat only to stupidly go back into the whole draft and develop bit when there was still big holes to fill right now.
@SteveLuke posted:Everyone knows that MLF's scheme relies more on the running game than did MM's, but Gute's receiving "weapon" additions to date have not been good. At all.
So which side of the fence are you trying to straddle? On one side you say the FO could have picked players in the 1st and 4th that would have gotten us 2 Superb Owls. Then you say Gutes drafting WR has been not good at all. So if Gute can't draft why is trading 1st and 4th to move up to draft Love so bad? We only have 1 unproven player instead of 2. But I'm sure you will spin this into how the Packers should have done this and not that.
@ammo posted:So which side of the fence are you trying to straddle? On one side you say the FO could have picked players in the 1st and 4th that would have gotten us 2 Superb Owls. Then you say Gutes drafting WR has been not good at all. So if Gute can't draft why is trading 1st and 4th to move up to draft Love so bad? We only have 1 unproven player instead of 2. But I'm sure you will spin this into how the Packers should have done this and not that.
1) I'm on the side that the Packers FRONT OFFICE had no other option but to trade a 4th round pick and select Jordan Love at #26 in the 2020 draft after Justin Jefferson and Brandon Aiyuk were picked by the Vikings and 49ers, respectively, just like the FRONT OFFICE fans insist.
2) I'm also on the side that even if the Packers FRONT OFFICE had selected Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman or Chase Claypool (or even Gabriel Davis) in that draft, who have all been very productive in their first 2 years in the league, it would not have mattered because Aaron Rodgers is so stubborn he refuses to pass to anyone but Davante Adams when the going gets touch, just like the FRONT OFFICE fans insist.
3) And, I'm also on the side of the Pack's FRONT OFFICE that is collectively and without equivocation currently (and publicly) begging Aaron Rodgers to return in 2022 and beyond.
Because assuming 1 & 2 are true as the FRONT OFFICE fans insist they are, then cognitive dissonance be damned and let's just support the FRONT OFFICE no matter what it does rather than expecting the FRONT OFFICE to move on from a QB who will not do what needs to be done to get to and win SBs.
Now, the side I am 100% not on is that the FRONT OFFICE should have used pick #30 in the 2020 draft, in perhaps the deepest WR draft in NFL history, on a WR. It would have made no sense to select a WR in round 2 or above for the first time since 2020. None.
The FRONT OFFICE did what any great FRONT OFFICE that was primarily interested in keeping the franchise competitive should do draft for the future, future, future.
Indeed, with the likes of MVS, ESB and Alan Lazard in place for WR positions 2-4, taking a WR in round 1 of the 2020 draft would not not have made any sense at all as borne out by their stellar play in 2020 and again 2021.
@ammo posted:So which side of the fence are you trying to straddle? On one side you say the FO could have picked players in the 1st and 4th that would have gotten us 2 Superb Owls. Then you say Gutes drafting WR has been not good at all. So if Gute can't draft why is trading 1st and 4th to move up to draft Love so bad? We only have 1 unproven player instead of 2. But I'm sure you will spin this into how the Packers should have done this and not that.
I think one interpretation is that they haven't prioritized taking a WR high in the draft in the better part of a decade. If you wait until the 4th and 5th round and then hope that one of those guys ends up being good enough to be a #2, that's a pretty big gamble.
In 2020, Aiyurk was drafted one pick ahead of Love. Maybe that was really the guy they wanted, but if they'd have stayed where they were (and kept the 4th round pick), these WRs/TEs were all drafted in the 2nd round. Higgins and Pittman were borderline first rounders or second rounders in almost all the mock drafts that year. If you have forced them to pick a WR, one of those 2 was probably the pick.
Tee Higgins (33rd overall), Michael Pittman (34), Shenault (42), Cole Kmet (43), Hamler (46), Claypool (47), Van Jefferson (57), Mims (59).
Kmet is a better TE than they had on the roster this year.
Higgins, Pittman, Claypool, and Jefferson would have all been easily the second best WR they've had on the roster in the last 5 years. Shenault probably would be too (he's averaged 60 catches a year playing in a dumpster fire in Jacksonville). Hamler and Mims wouldn't have been much better than what they have now.
Incidentally, the guy drafted with the 4th rounder they gave up for Love caught 4 passes for 47 yards last night (Hopkins - TE).
Tee Higgins and some guy you pick for depth (and SPECIAL TEAMS) in the 4th round obviously gets you a lot closer to getting you over the hump than a backup QB.
@SteveLuke posted:...it would not have mattered because Aaron Rodgers is so stubborn he refuses to pass to anyone but Davante Adams when the going gets touch, just like the FRONT OFFICE fans insist.
Honestly, the guy doesn't even make a pass at his own fiancé. 
Not even a single, "hey baby". All that attention goes straight to Davante Adams.
@SteveLuke posted:The second straight FART IN THE WIND ERA WITH A HALL OF FAMER AT QB IS OVAH!!
Time for Gute to get his boy Jordan on the field.
Bump.
Just think if the FRONT OFFICE had the cajones to trade ARod after last season, we could have had a couple of additional 1st round picks .... to waste on defensive players forced to play soft, passive, Green Bay Packer defensive football.
When the usual FRONT OFFICE apologists start making their excuses about how poor Gutey could not have possibly acquired a competent receiver for this season and how ARod's contract handcuffs the team remember these 3 things:
1) GUTEY had 5 years to acquire receiving talent and has utterly failed to do so (while stockpiling highly-drafted but grossly overrated defensive "talent");
2) MURPH personally and the organization generally absolutely got down on bended knee and begged, begged, begged ARod to re-sign for big $ to come back and lead the Packers to another non-Super Bowl season - no one put a gun to the FRONT OFFICE'S head; and
3) the reason the FRONT OFFICE begged ARod to stay was that they were so afraid of what 2020 1st and 4th round pick Jordan Love might look like.
THE SUPER BOWL WINDOW ENDED last season but the FRONT OFFICE refused to accept that reality.
Digging out after ARod's contract goes away will be a multi-year process.
Thanks FRONT OFFICE.
Dagger
@SteveLuke posted:Digging out after ARod's contract goes away will be a multi-year process.
Thanks FRONT OFFICE.
Which puts us in the front seat to eventually draft the great Arch Manning.
Let the good times roll!!
Seattle traded Wilson for a boat load of picks and is currently 4-3 on top of the NFC West and looking at the #6 overall pick in the 2023 draft (from Denver) among the other picks it recouped in that trade.
Houston traded Watson and would have the #5 overall pick (from Cleveland) if the draft were held today - in addition to several others.
Atlanta traded Ryan and, like the Pack is 3-4, but without Matt's big contract hanging over their head (and it picked up a pick for sending him to Indy).
It didn't have to be like this, the Packers could have moved on from Rodgers, got their cap situation under control, and gained some draft picks.
Murph & Gute decided otherwise.
The Packers re-build, from not even appearing in a single Super Bowl for 12 years, has thus been delayed and will not feature as many premium draft picks.
But Murph will be feted during his long goodbye retirement and Gutey, ever the loyal servant inside 1265 Lombardi, just got extended for demonstrating the most important trait for a member of the Packer FRONT OFFICE, quiet and unquestioned loyalty to those above you.
Go Pack Go.
@SteveLuke posted:When the usual FRONT OFFICE apologists start making their excuses about how poor Gutey could not have possibly acquired a competent receiver for this season and how ARod's contract handcuffs the team remember these 3 things:
1) GUTEY had 5 years to acquire receiving talent and has utterly failed to do so (while stockpiling highly-drafted but grossly overrated defensive "talent");
2) MURPH personally and the organization generally absolutely got down on bended knee and begged, begged, begged ARod to re-sign for big $ to come back and lead the Packers to another non-Super Bowl season - no one put a gun to the FRONT OFFICE'S head; and
3) the reason the FRONT OFFICE begged ARod to stay was that they were so afraid of what 2020 1st and 4th round pick Jordan Love might look like.
THE SUPER BOWL WINDOW ENDED last season but the FRONT OFFICE refused to accept that reality.
Digging out after ARod's contract goes away will be a multi-year process.
Thanks FRONT OFFICE.
Looking back at it I tend to agree that the SB season ended last year. Yet Aaron Rodgers was coming off an MVP season. I thought that Watson, Lazard, Cobb and Watkins might be good enough. So I understand the mindset of the front office when they decided to hang on to Rodgers at a steep price. Obviously, injury’s, cap restrictions and poor play from the backups have derailed that plan.
Doubs seems to have lost his confidence, Watson and Cobb are hurt, which leads us with has to be the slowest, most unathletic WR group in the league? Was flying yesterday so only saw the first half.
In my opinion the front office was stuck between a rock and a hard place last year. Remembering the furor that ensued over getting rid of a semi washed up Favre I can't imagine the pitchforks and torches that would have descended on 1265 if they traded away a HOF qb with a winning record who was just named MVP. Past history could not have warned them of this regression.
@FLPACKER posted:Doubs seems to have lost his confidence, Watson and Cobb are hurt, which leads us with has to be the slowest, most unathletic WR group in the league? Was flying yesterday so only saw the first half.
After trading Adams and letting MVS walk (either of which can be defended in isolation), the only way they were going to be a Super Bowl contender is if Watson had the impact as a rookie that Chase or Jefferson have the last couple of years. The chance of that was close to zero given the Watson was running routes against low-level D1 DBs at Valparaiso, South Dakota, and Montana State last year while Chase and Jefferson were lining up against SEC guys every week while they were in college. It's like a basketball player going from being guarded by a guy at the rec center in a pick-up game to going against Giannis in terms of the difference in talent defending you at DB. It was always going to take time for Watson and Doubs.
The receivers and TEs are historically bad. Rodgers didn't play as well as he should and he's missing what appear to be open guys at times, but some of the football guys on twitter are pointing out that the routes are often being run incorrectly so Rodgers may not be looking for them in the place they end up.
The biggest problem I have in Rodgers isn't how he's performed during the game. It's that he should have been at every OTA this off-season getting reps in with these guys. These guys need thousands of repetitions and they aren't close to ready yet.
https://twitter.com/AaronNagle.../1584565732829904896
If you are the Packers front office after last season and you are forced to trade Adams and aren't going to sign MVS, you have two choices.
1. Move on from Rodgers also, get a boat load of picks, and turn things over the Love.
2. If you are going to keep Rodgers, actually provide him with some actual NFL caliber WRs that can contribute right away. That would have meant swinging a trade for an established veteran at WR and getting a receiving TE on the roster (other than one guy still less than a year removed from an ACL tear). Instead, they thought they counted on this.
A. An aging Randall Cobb who has lost his burst and can't stay healthy
B. A guy that played for North Dakota State last year.
C. A 4th rounder from Nevada (who has shown some promise but there was a reason he lasted until the 4th round)
D. An aging, injury-prone guy who wasn't even that productive in getting open while playing next to a HOF TE (Kelce), a potential HOF WR (Tyreke Hill), and a first-ballot HOF QB (Mahomes).
E. Their best returning WR is sure handed, but slower than most TEs.
Rodgers is a prima donna, his attitude sucks, and he's completely unlikeable. But expecting any QB to look good with this group of WR/TE is not realistic.
Basically, they decided to keep Rodgers and give him an extension but then play for the future across the rest of the offense (Jones is likely gone after this year as well).
This person on Twitter captured it perfectly.
The problem is the moment they hitched their wagon to Rodgers at 50M there wasn’t money left to add or pay other guys. And Gute has never shown a tendency to give up picks outside of the draft to add talent.
This is the ultimate “fuck you” boomerang by Rodgers to the organization. He fooled them into believing he was the X factor despite flaming out more times than not in the playoffs. He chose to hit the podcast circuit and skip OTAs even though he had basically a brand new WR group to throw to.
The part that stings is had we known the Packers would have imploded with or without Rodgers of course he should have been dealt for a kings ransom. Think if you are Seattle or Houston right now. They could literally rework their roster in a couple of years with multiple high draft picks while the Packers salt away the season with an overpaid and underperforming Rodgers.
Oh boy.
So maybe they are 2-5 with Jordan Love instead of 3-4 with Rodgers. In the end, does it matter? This isn’t a good team and adding insult to injury if Bak never returns to form that’s a horrible contract that works against them as well.
@Tschmack posted:So maybe they are 2-5 with Jordan Love instead of 3-4 with Rodgers. In the end, does it matter?
No, but Love would have been thrown under the bus immediately (deserved or not) and everyone would have been clamoring to have their MVP QB back to "fix" things.
Now we know at least Rodgers isn't the savior everyone makes him out to be. The team has real deficiencies. Would have loved the picks and more cap space tho.
Rodgers should have had the boys over for tea and Crumpets everyday.
@FLPACKER posted:Doubs seems to have lost his confidence, Watson and Cobb are hurt, which leads us with has to be the slowest, most unathletic WR group in the league? Was flying yesterday so only saw the first half.
If Doubs has lost confidence I'd blame a lot of that on Rodgers. I realize football is a tough sport and the transition from college to pro is a challenge to varying degrees. Having Rodgers piss and moan, roll his eyes and sulk doesn't do much to help a first year player develop.
Bullshit. 12 was Doobs biggest fucking cheerleader all through camp.
He's a rookie, doing rookie things. Shame on Gurty for depending on a rookie to be de facto WR1 in this offense.
@RochNyFan posted:If Doubs has lost confidence I'd blame a lot of that on Rodgers. I realize football is a tough sport and the transition from college to pro is a challenge to varying degrees. Having Rodgers piss and moan, roll his eyes and sulk doesn't do much to help a first year player develop.
I think he's lost confidence because the mental part has become more difficult for him than playing vs. the same defense all camp.
I'm going to coin this phenomenon "the rookie wall".
Its football. Having someone holler at you constantly is part of the job description. If someone cant handle that, then tell them to go find another job. Damn millenials these days thinks if they screw up and someone hollers at them about their screwing up they need a hug in order to continue. Grow a pair People.
I'm going to say that Rodgers was saying all the right things in camp about Doubs, but now it's crunch time and he has started to miss throws because of rookie mistakes. Because of that, Rodgers doesn't like to look bad so he is either chewing Doubs a new one out of sight or ignoring him completely (my guess). Either way, Doubs' rookie bubble has been popped. Rodgers has to show some leadership and take these guys aside, go over film with them, talk to them in practice, stop acting like a diva in games, and try to build a unit.
We're stuck with Rodgers for at least the rest of this year, so it can either stay the same and everyone is miserable or approaches can change and at least they can try to make it work.
@Tschmack posted:The problem is the moment they hitched their wagon to Rodgers at 50M there wasn’t money left to add or pay other guys.
More bullshit.
Explain to the rest of us how GB had enough money to offer Adams nearly 30 million a year (Which he obviously turned down) if there wasn't enough money left to add or pay other guys?
This is the problem I have with some of you poop stains. You literally just make shit up and repeat it over and over and over again until other poop stains start believing it. Next thing you know there's a poop stain festival in every thread.
Perhaps you guys could start a poop stain thread in the Bucks forum?
During his "holdout" Rodgers wanted the team to go " all in "
Well Rodgers should have gone " all in" as well. Team friendly contract and showing up at OTA'S and working with the new guys.
@Fandame posted:Rodgers has to show some leadership and take these guys aside, go over film with them, talk to them in practice,
What makes us think that he is not doing this? I get the Diva part, his body languange is dog shit when things arn't going right, but I don't believe that he is not sitting with them throughout the week to film review and discuss plays professionaly.
@BrainDed posted:What makes us think that he is not doing this?
I heard it on the internet
@Fandame posted:I'm going to say that Rodgers was saying all the right things in camp about Doubs, but now it's crunch time and he has started to miss throws because of rookie mistakes. Because of that, Rodgers doesn't like to look bad so he is either chewing Doubs a new one out of sight or ignoring him completely (my guess). Either way, Doubs' rookie bubble has been popped. Rodgers has to show some leadership and take these guys aside, go over film with them, talk to them in practice, stop acting like a diva in games, and try to build a unit.
We're stuck with Rodgers for at least the rest of this year, so it can either stay the same and everyone is miserable or approaches can change and at least they can try to make it work.
Thank you for explaining it better than I did. It's not bullshit or a matter of growing a pair. The fact is, Rodgers is a shitty leader who acts like a sulking child. Charles Woodson and Reggie White inspired younger players and raised their level of play. Rodgers puts on public displays of disgust and leaves guys tight and wondering if they'll ever see the ball again.
Rodgers is no leader. These fucking morons in the FO took the bait why? He’s speaking his mind?
JFC wake up. He’s a fraud. He’s been a fraud. If Pakrz wants to sleep with him oh well but he’s still a fake ass POS.
I’ve built plenty of high performing teams and Rodgers is still a piece of shit. He’s all about himself check, He throws shade to teammates oh well. Stares them down. Check. Deflects. Oh yeah check.
You want to back this asshole go ahead,
@SteveLuke posted:Seattle traded Wilson for a boat load of picks and is currently 4-3 on top of the NFC West and looking at the #6 overall pick in the 2023 draft (from Denver) among the other picks it recouped in that trade.
Houston traded Watson and would have the #5 overall pick (from Cleveland) if the draft were held today - in addition to several others.
Atlanta traded Ryan and, like the Pack is 3-4, but without Matt's big contract hanging over their head (and it picked up a pick for sending him to Indy).
It didn't have to be like this, the Packers could have moved on from Rodgers, got their cap situation under control, and gained some draft picks.
Murph & Gute decided otherwise.
The Packers re-build, from not even appearing in a single Super Bowl for 12 years, has thus been delayed and will not feature as many premium draft picks.
But Murph will be feted during his long goodbye retirement and Gutey, ever the loyal servant inside 1265 Lombardi, just got extended for demonstrating the most important trait for a member of the Packer FRONT OFFICE, quiet and unquestioned loyalty .
Go Pack Go.
The deal was there for the Packers to trade AR to the Broncos. I live there, trust me, it was there. When the Packers passed it went to Seattle for Wilson, their 2nd choice. When weighing the pros versus the cons, in my mind, it was always trade AR. Then Adams left and we replaced him with a broken down Watkins and the front office called it good. The window to win a super bowl in my mind, and some others here as well, has passed. We had the best of circumstances the last two years and still couldn't get to the SB. What made the front office think we could do it with less talent? Oh yeah, that top five defense, right? Well, you still have to score points. How did the front office think we were going to do that with Bakh, Jenkins and Bobby coming off major injuries? With three rookie receivers, and the only veteran receivers on the team being more injured than not, and non productive recent histories? That's not all in, that's stupid. Sorry, what we see is what we're going to get this season. Help is not coming.
