Well, there is the water.
If this is going to be long rebuild, can we also see if the trade can involve resurrecting the dead? The plague years were a little more tolerable with Max & Jim on the radio.
@kildare51 posted:If this is going to be long rebuild, can we also see if the trade can involve resurrecting the dead? The plague years were a little more tolerable with Max & Jim on the radio.
so true. my heart jumped when jim called a packers touchdown
russ was great for awhile but i think he’s on the decline
Love has to get his shot.
Resign ESB, MVS and Lazard to team friendly deals (they know the system and no one going crazy to sign any of them), those 3 with Amari is not a bad WR core when rebuilding. Those 4 with Dillon and Jones, with a Good OL, there are pts to be scored.
Trade Rodgers and take 2 1sts (2022/2023), a 2nd (2022) & a 3rd (2023)
Sign and trade Adams and take a 1st (2022) & 2nd (2022)
That gives you 3 1sts, 3 2nds in 2022 and 2 1sts in 2023 to reload your team for the future.
Need to find a way to sign Jaire and Gary.
If someone comes calling for Bak you have to look at that seriously, unload the contract and the possibility he never comes back 100%. If Bak goes, then re-sign the others that held the fort this year.
AR said something like "I'm not interested in a rebuild...if I want to keep playing".
I wonder if the retirement option weighs bigger than anyone thinks.
I really don't get everyone thinking DEN is a SB shoe in with AR.
@STEAMBOAT posted:Love has to get his shot.
Resign ESB, MVS and Lazard to team friendly deals (they know the system and no one going crazy to sign any of them), those 3 with Amari is not a bad WR core when rebuilding. Those 4 with Dillon and Jones, with a Good OL, there are pts to be scored.
Trade Rodgers and take 2 1sts (2022/2023), a 2nd (2022) & a 3rd (2023)
Sign and trade Adams and take a 1st (2022) & 2nd (2022)
That gives you 3 1sts, 3 2nds in 2022 and 2 1sts in 2023 to reload your team for the future.
Need to find a way to sign Jaire and Gary.
If someone comes calling for Bak you have to look at that seriously, unload the contract and the possibility he never comes back 100%. If Bak goes, then re-sign the others that held the fort this year.
First of all, why would anybody want Bakh if he's damaged goods? Also, he's untradeable next year. He has a 40 million dollar cap hit if he's traded.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...vid-bakhtiari-12390/
I'd have prioritized signing him last year, too. Most guys take a good year and a half to truly come back from an ACL tear.
It's more likely Bakh plays effectively in the 2022 season than Elgton Jenkins.
@DH13 posted:AR said something like "I'm not interested in a rebuild...if I want to keep playing".
I wonder if the retirement option weighs bigger than anyone thinks.
I really don't get everyone thinking DEN is a SB shoe in with AR.
If he goes to the AFC and loses a little off his fastball (he'll be 39), he'll end up as no better than the 5th QB in the conference. The AFC looks like it might have 4 future Hall of Fame QBs under the age of 26.
1. If Mahomes wins a Super Bowl this year, he may already be ranked ahead of Rodgers on the all-time lists. Denver plays two games against Mahomes every year.
2. Josh Allen's may have had arguably the greatest playoff performance of any QB in a single playoffs (other than maybe Mahomes). In the two games, Allen's QB ratings were 157.3 and 136.0. The best game of AR's career will end up being the 2010 playoff game in a dome in Atlanta when his QB rating was 136.8. Allen had two of those games the last 2 weeks playing in Buffalo and in Kansas City. How'd you like to have to play Buffalo in a playoff game BEFORE you get to Mahomes?
3. Joe Burrow is a superstar already.
4. Justin Herbert was incredibly in a do-or-die game against the Raiders. Denver plays them twice a year.
If he stays in the NFC (and I think Green Bay is his only realistic option where he can win), the other good QBs are Matt Stafford, Russell Wilson, and Kyler Murray.
Exactly. Wasn't that one of the reasons why Brady came to the NFC? Less QB competition.
@D J posted:Because the Packers have been a SB shoe-in with Rodgers?
Maybe if they can get road games in a dome.
Rodgers has started 5 playoff games in a dome. One was in the Super Bowl and the other 4 were as road underdogs.
He's 138-203 for 1735 yards, 14 TDs, 3 Interceptions. 111.2 QB rating (which would be the highest of all-time)
In the other 16 playoff games he's started, he's 363-571 for 4149 yards. 31 TDs, and 10 interceptions for a QB rating of 96.4. 9 of those games were at home.
If the Packers could play their playoff games in a dome, even on a neutral field, Rodgers would have 1-2 more rings.
@STEAMBOAT posted:Love has to get his shot.
Resign ESB, MVS and Lazard to team friendly deals (they know the system and no one going crazy to sign any of them), those 3 with Amari is not a bad WR core when rebuilding. Those 4 with Dillon and Jones, with a Good OL, there are pts to be scored.
Trade Rodgers and take 2 1sts (2022/2023), a 2nd (2022) & a 3rd (2023)
Sign and trade Adams and take a 1st (2022) & 2nd (2022)
That gives you 3 1sts, 3 2nds in 2022 and 2 1sts in 2023 to reload your team for the future.
Need to find a way to sign Jaire and Gary.
If someone comes calling for Bak you have to look at that seriously, unload the contract and the possibility he never comes back 100%. If Bak goes, then re-sign the others that held the fort this year.
So when do you do your 5 minute open mic night?
@STEAMBOAT posted:Love has to get his shot.
Resign ESB, MVS and Lazard to team friendly deals (they know the system and no one going crazy to sign any of them), those 3 with Amari is not a bad WR core when rebuilding. Those 4 with Dillon and Jones, with a Good OL, there are pts to be scored.
I agree it is time for Love to get his shot.
But if ESB, MVS, Lazard, and Amari Rodgers are going to be the quartet of WRs he is supposed to be throwing to, then Jordan is being set up to fail.
That would be the worst GB WR corps in decades and it would not even be close.
@SteveLuke posted:I agree it is time for Love to get his shot.
But if ESB, MVS, Lazard, and Amari Rodgers are going to be the quartet of WRs he is supposed to be throwing to, then Jordan is being set up to fail.
That would be the worst GB WR corps in decades and it would not even be close.
I'd say if that was your WR core you might as well just go three TEs every down, but the TEs coming back might be even worse. Tonyan probably won't be ready until November at the earliest so it's Duffney, DeGuara, and Tyler Davis.
@MichiganPacker posted:I'd say if that was your WR core you might as well just go three TEs every down, but the TEs coming back might be even worse. Tonyan probably won't be ready until November at the earliest so it's Duffney, DeGuara, and Tyler Davis.
Tippecanoe and Tyler too.
Tag Adams and restructure Rodgers for 3 years. I'm not interested in a rebuild. The team is stacked. If they can keep most of this year's playmakers and hire a competent special teams coach, they're looking at another 13+ win season.
Otherwise, Rodgers is gone and so is Adams and so is the next 4-6 years and any hope of ever seeing MLF raise the Lombardi.
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For everyone who thinks it's impossible to win without Rodgers..........a team without Rodgers has won the last 10 Super bowls (11 including this year). So it is possible.
Rodgers' act is wearing thin. His constant "I'm the victim" is childish, and his pouting after a teammate makes a mistake in a big game is even worse. The story should have been about the team and how well it was doing; instead, the year revolved around Rodgers: will he/won't he, contract, movie-star girlfriend, covid, toe, losing movie-star girlfriend, election comments, etc. He kept everything swirling around himself. (Yes, the media helped, but shut up and they'll leave you alone.)
And then there's this: "In five appearances, Rodgers has as many NFC Championship wins [one] as former beleaguered Bears quarterback Rex Grossman. Let that sink in." Since the 2010 Super Bowl, Rodgers is 7-9 in playoff games. This year, it was all there for the taking.
Rodgers may have four MVP trophies (presumably this year's), but those are for his individual play and not because he led his team to hardware. In the four years that Rodgers has won the MVP award, in none of them has he won an NFC championship.
Whether GB moves on to Love or someone else I don't really care; I'm ready to toss in the towel on Rodgers. More team, less me.
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@SteveLuke posted:Bottom 5 PFF scores from yesterday's game:
1. TE Marcedes Lewis, 32.3
2. TE Josiah Deguara, 40.2
3. C Josh Myers, 48.0
4. WR Equanimeous St. Brown, 49.6
5. WR Randall Cobb, 50.4Myers gets somewhat of a pass coming back from injury and I guess Cobb should then as well.
As for the other 3, blame Rodgers all you want for an underwhelming performance but Jordan Love ain't making chicken salad out of that chickenshit receiving group.
As a 3rd round pick, Degaura is quickly heading towards Burks/Sternberger level bust status.
PS Rodgers had the 4th highest offensive PFF score for whatever that is worth.
It's not ESB's fault that Rodgers won't throw the ball to him. If Rodgers hits him, in stride, on that 3rd down play that Adams was double covered in, he could have scored a TD. He, at the very least, would have moved the chains.
Speaking of EQ, and not to bag on Rodgers, but there was that story that came out a few years ago when EQ was a rookie and Rodgers told him to change his route on a play. So he did, and when he got back to the sidelines the coaches chewed him out for running the wrong route. And how MVS wouldn't change his route when told by AR because he didn't want to get chewed out by coaches for doing the wrong thing which put him in Rodgers dog house early.
I'm sure that's changed now but it certainly doesn't help gain trust in WRs when they have to decide if they want to do what the QB says or what the coach has drawn up on a play. It puts them in a bad spot, especially when they're young. And then you get the trust issues Rodgers has in big games coming to a head.
@vitaflo posted:Speaking of EQ, and not to bag on Rodgers, but there was that story that came out a few years ago when EQ was a rookie and Rodgers told him to change his route on a play. So he did, and when he got back to the sidelines the coaches chewed him out for running the wrong route. And how MVS wouldn't change his route when told by AR because he didn't want to get chewed out by coaches for doing the wrong thing which put him in Rodgers dog house early.
I'm sure that's changed now but it certainly doesn't help gain trust in WRs when they have to decide if they want to do what the QB says or what the coach has drawn up on a play. It puts them in a bad spot, especially when they're young. And then you get the trust issues Rodgers has in big games coming to a head.
Damned if you do...
It's the same story with the play calling overall. How much of the offensive ineptitude was MLF and how much was AR when AR can change the call at will.
While yes, by PFF's ratings he's had 4 below avg QB efficiency/EPA performances, look at all the very averages ones he's had as well. By my count, it's 12 out of 21 where he performed at an average or below average mark.
13 of these he has a PFF grade below 80.
So no, I don't consider this a ringing endorsement.
All of Aaron Rodgers playoff performances by PFF grade and EPA per play. Only four out of 21 with below average efficiency pic.twitter.com/MGyaKuXWub
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And why in God's name was a great offensive weapon like Dillon working as BLOCKER on kickoff return teams??????? Breaking a rib in the process.
In playoff games, MLF is just as bad as AR.
@DH13 posted:It's the same story with the play calling overall. How much of the offensive ineptitude was MLF and how much was AR when AR can change the call at will.
We will never know, but I will say this. When Love was in against KC MLF ran the same offense. I don't think he is blameless in all of this.
I guess we know what "ALL IN" means to Rodgers. If he comes back just draft WRs in the first 4 rounds and sign the best veteran WR available. You can never have enough receivers to ignore, ya know?
@DH13 posted:It's the same story with the play calling overall. How much of the offensive ineptitude was MLF and how much was AR when AR can change the call at will.
He doesn't even have to change the play, he can choose to not execute the called play as designed. There is no doubt that the final toss to Adams in double coverage was supposed to go to Lazard. That's entirely why Adams and St Brown were going deep to clear out the middle for Lazard. Rodgers just decided to throw to Adams anyway.
If your QB is deciding to ignore the point of the play and do what he wants instead, it doesn't even matter if he changes the call at the line or not. MLF has to feel frustrated either way.
@Goalline posted:I guess we know what "ALL IN" means to Rodgers. If he comes back just draft WRs in the first 4 rounds and sign the best veteran WR available. You can never have enough receivers to ignore, ya know?
This is why I'd be surprised if he actually wants to go to a different team. He takes so long to trust WRs and his window of playing time is so short, how does he expect to start all over with an entirely new coach, scheme, playcall verbiage, OL and WRs to get to know? By the time he actually ends up gelling with any of them it'll be time for him to hang it up.
@Goalline posted:We will never know, but I will say this. When Love was in against KC MLF ran the same offense. I don't think he is blameless in all of this.
I guess we know what "ALL IN" means to Rodgers. If he comes back just draft WRs in the first 4 rounds and sign the best veteran WR available. You can never have enough receivers to ignore, ya know?
right, so we give him 4 wr's NOT to trust, got it.
@YATittle posted:And why in God's name was a great offensive weapon like Dillon working as BLOCKER on kickoff return teams??????? Breaking a rib in the process.
In playoff games, MLF is just as bad as AR.
Because players that could play special teams were inactive so we could all this depth for run defense and pass rush. Do you think Mercilus or Z Smith were going to be core special teamers? You going to put Jaire out there with an injured shoulder who was not 100%? Instead of Amari Rodgers out there it should have been Moore returning kicks with Cobb as a back up. At least Moore could have been out there instead of Dillon.
On the punt block it was Henry Black who left too early and failed to help Wirtel. What the hell was Black even active for? Owen Burks was also on the punt team. He didn't even look for anybody coming up the middle. Wirtel had no help on the play. And yes it appears Bojo took an extra step too. Just a fucked up set up from the beginning.