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Packdog posted:
DH13 posted:

Problem is at what point does the year after year of spending on FA and draft capital on D become too much for the depleted offense to overcome?  Everyone is excited about Gutey finally turning his efforts to the O but it looks like he still has patches to fix on D.  Can't afford to fix them all, especially drafting at #30.

It sure feels like the "year after year of spending " has been devoted to the defense for an eternity. A lot of that is compounded because of all of the misses (Ugh)...but at this point the defense only used 27.65% of the Salary Cap in 2019(ranked 30th NFL). Certainly that can and will change quickly...but @#%

 

Agree that it will be a challenge to patch everything. As good as 13-3 was, the strong needs at ILB, ILB, DE, WR, TE, (RT?), etc...are apparent. 

What % is the D at if you subtract ******' contract?  Just curious but he is a field tilter in this respect also.

ilcuqui posted:

New DB coach:

@TomSilverstein:  #Packers coach Matt LaFleur is hiring former #Vikings DBs coach Jerry Gray to be his secondary coach, according to a source. Gray doesn't come from the Mike Pettine system and will have strong opinions on how to play defense after being a coordinator in two different places.

Outside voices. What a concept.

Grave Digger posted:

Did great work with Harrison Smith and Anthony Harris. Sendejo played better under him in MIN than he did in Philly also. It's weird to see coaches hired instead of just promoting interns to take over major position groups. 

I think MLF wants Gray to stand up to Pettine when the situation warrants it. Pettine will know that Gray could be the DC, very easily, and that Pettine had better not sleep through a defensive series, or a game, like they did in SF. 

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mrtundra posted:

I think MLF wants Gray to stand up to Pettine when the situation warrants it. Pettine will know that Gray could be the DC, very easily, and that Pettine had better not sleep through a defensive series, or a game, like they did in SF. 

Stand up to Pettine?  Is this the new part of the narrative now?  I know I'd like to have internal conflict on the coaching staff right out of the gate. 

Could be they just want more experienced coaches on a young, 1st time HC staff.  Kooky.

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Henry posted:
mrtundra posted:

I think MLF wants Gray to stand up to Pettine when the situation warrants it. Pettine will know that Gray could be the DC, very easily, and that Pettine had better not sleep through a defensive series, or a game, like they did in SF. 

Stand up to Pettine?  Is this the new part of the narrative now?  I know I'd like to have internal conflict on the coaching staff right out of the gate. 

Could be they just want more experienced coaches on a young, 1st time HC staff.  Kooky.

Yeah, or he's just a good coach also and those are valuable. I don't think there was any intent to put anyone on notice, just adding a good coach to your staff. 

Because coaches aren't players? Competition implies there will be a winner and loser. For players they're competing against each other for playing time and roster spots? What's the winner of a competition between your DC and DB coach get? Coaches should push each other to be better and make their position groups better and work as a team, I'm unclear on what a competition between coaches accomplishes? 

Isn't the mark of a successful franchise constant power struggles?  Jesus fuck.

Also, 1st frickin' year HC.  Pettine is "tenured" at 2 years.  McVince cronies?  Really?

Another thing, Pettine isn't hiring or firing anyone.  It was one of McVince's turds who "left" that made Gray's hiring possible.  Pettine was saddled with McVince yes men as much as anyone.

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Henry posted:

Isn't the mark of a successful franchise constant power struggles?  Jesus fuck.

Also, 1st frickin' year HC.  Pettine is "tenured" at 2 years.  McVince cronies?  Really?

Not necessarily power struggles. You don't want guys working against each other trying to get ahead of the other guy. You want them working together to push each other to get better, to challenge them. For example, I wonder if anyone stood up in the defensive game planning meetings and challenged Pettine if stopping the pass should really be the top priority vs SF. Healthy debate is good. But if one guy gets stuck and the other guy is right more often, see ya! first guy. 

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