NFL GM and Coaching Carousel

@PackerHawk posted:

I heard an interesting proposition today. The Texans hire Flores and Watson decides to stay there to play for Flores.

Whoever came up with that proposition is most likely an idiot.
The impasse with Watson is around Jack Easterby, the religious zealot posing as an NFL executive. So long as Easterby is whispering in the ear of owner
Cal the dumbass McNair - Watson won't play there no matter who the HC is.

Watson certainly has his own crap to deal with, but his refusal to play for Houston is tied to the disgraceful owner and his spiritual advisor Jack from Heavens Gate.

Nice logo

@GBFanForLife posted:

The Chicago news says diversity is a priority for the Bears head coach and GM.

Well, it doesn't suprise me the Bears wouldn't make winning the priority.

@Satori posted:

Heavens Gate.

Ah yes, the cult of Marshall Applewhite. My youngest is going to the same college Applewhite graduated from. My BiL's parents went there and knew "Herf" from their days on campus. According to "Anne", Bil's mother, Applewhite was a real smooth talker that all the girls wanted to be around.

I don't see Mo Drayton on any team's lists.

@Satori posted:

Whoever came up with that proposition is most likely an idiot.
The impasse with Watson is around Jack Easterby, the religious zealot posing as an NFL executive. So long as Easterby is whispering in the ear of owner
Cal the dumbass McNair - Watson won't play there no matter who the HC is.

Watson certainly has his own crap to deal with, but his refusal to play for Houston is tied to the disgraceful owner and his spiritual advisor Jack from Heavens Gate.

Firing Easterby was also part of the scenario. I would think they would also need to have Watson's input on the replacement.

But with Watson's legal trouble I don't think they are going to give him that kind of power.

@The Heckler posted:

I haven't followed the latest saga around Watson in a while but isn't he under investigation for his actions with massage therapists? I believe that is the main reason the Texans didn't play/activate him all year.

Yes, more importantly it killed any trades. The Dolphins were going to give up a huge package for him but they wanted all legal disputes settled first.

Joe Judge fired by the Giants.

@R MaN posted:

Joe Judge fired by the Giants.

As he deserved to be.

Soon to be named Packers Special Teams Coach?  That was his job in New England before the Giants.  Also worked under Saban.

didn't he make guys run gassers or some other hs shit like that?

Monday the Giants had indicated he'd be back. What a messed up organization.

Joe Judge made Meathead Mike Tice sound intelligent.

Joe Judge had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to ask for power in choosing the next GM.

The guy is a horrible football coach that has literally accomplished nothing, he's got the personality of a fire hydrant, and his self awareness is less than zero.

But, my god the balls that man has. 6-10 followed by 4-13. The last 2 weeks being an absolute clown show. Stepping on his dick every press conference. But you still can muster the balls to ask for power in hiring the next GM.

Some people are just built different I guess, because that level of ego is absolutely beyond me. 

Most exciting Giants moments over the last 5 seasons:

1. Gettleman retirement

2. Judge Firing

3. McAdoo firing

4. Shurmur firing

5. Barkleys one year wonder season

it's funny but that's was never normal for the giants, they USED to be a well oiled machine...wheels came off.

I wonder if Mara saw Rodgers and McAfee clowning him today and that was the final straw

@bvan posted:

Hey, did this used to be you?

No.
The best I recall, I've used the same moniker since I joined.

I do remember that poster, though. IIRC, he was fairly active for a few years, at least.
Looking back to those archived threads Boris posted makes me wonder whatever happened to some of these guys. Some of the mouth-runners are a dime a dozen, but there were some solid members.
LSU4GB stands out in my mind.

Brian Flores was fired before Joe Judge. As much as some fans complain about the Packer FO things could be a whole lot worse.

I saw recently that at no point in the last 5 seasons neither the Giants or the Jets have had a winning record.  It's expected of the Jets but the Giants have fallen and fallen hard.

@Timmy! posted:

No.
The best I recall, I've used the same moniker since I joined.

I do remember that poster, though. IIRC, he was fairly active for a few years, at least.
Looking back to those archived threads Boris posted makes me wonder whatever happened to some of these guys. Some of the mouth-runners are a dime a dozen, but there were some solid members.
LSU4GB stands out in my mind.

I remember that Tim's avatar.
Boris's post brought back many names I had forgotten about.
JJSD anyone?  LOL

Bears requested permission to interview Patriots’ director of scouting Eliot Wolf for their GM job, per source.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 12, 2022

@pkr_north posted:

it's funny but that's was never normal for the giants, they USED to be a well oiled machine...wheels came off.

failson

@ammo posted:

Soon to be named Packers Special Teams Coach?  That was his job in New England before the Giants.  Also worked under Saban.

Whenever someone praises a Patriots assistant coach I always wonder how much praise they deserve. They tend to go to other places and fail.

@PackerHawk posted:

Whenever someone praises a Patriots assistant coach I always wonder how much praise they deserve. They tend to go to other places and fail.

Once they are removed from all the advantages of institutional cheating in NE, they become mortals and consistently fail to meet expectations.

@Chongo posted:

Bears requested permission to interview Patriots’ director of scouting Eliot Wolf for their GM job, per source.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 12, 2022

it's weird how all those front office guys who left after gutey got the gm job have sort of faded away.  i recall lots of hand-wringing that doresy, wolf and highsmith all went to the browns.  they all got fired and are now working as "consultants" 

@Chongo posted:

Bears requested permission to interview Patriots’ director of scouting Eliot Wolf for their GM job, per source.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 12, 2022

Henry’s about to become a Bears fan.😉

@McClain_on_NFL:  Texans fired David Culley after one season houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-n… via @houstonchron

Hard to believe the Seahawks are gonna keep Carroll and Schneider around. If I'm Russ, I'm headed elsewhere.

The dream is to be good enough to earn an NFL or college coaching contract, and then bad enough to get fired shortly thereafter.

@Goalline posted:

Henry’s about to become a Bears fan.😉

Why?  I've never been a big Elliot Wolf guy.

@Jessie Clark posted:

it's weird how all those front office guys who left after gutey got the gm job have sort of faded away.  i recall lots of hand-wringing that doresy, wolf and highsmith all went to the browns.  they all got fired and are now working as "consultants"

Getting fired by the Browns isn't much condemnation.  Dorsey built most of that team, he just chose in an idiot HC.

I believe "moneyball" is the predominant presence in that organization.

@michiganjoe posted:

Brian Flores was fired before Joe Judge. As much as some fans complain about the Packer FO things could be a whole lot worse.

Agreed.  They could be without Rodgers.

@Henry posted:

Why?  I've never been a big Elliot Wolf guy.

Wolf is really the bride's maid and never the bride. Dude gets a lot of interviews, and then teams are like "pass" when it comes to pulling the trigger to be GM

@Henry posted:

Why?  I've never been a big Elliot Wolf guy.

Dammit, my Alzheimers letting me down again.

@packerboi posted:

Wolf is really the bride's maid and never the bride. Dude gets a lot of interviews, and then teams are like "pass" when it comes to pulling the trigger to be GM

Yes and its been rather telling too. Front office guys do many interviews, so getting passed over isn't a big deal in and of itself. But he got passed over in GB where he worked for years and in Cleveland where he had the endorsement of John Dorsey among others. In other words, he had an IN, but ended up OUT

Some of the comments mentioned his bedside manner and general cockiness as turnoffs - especially coming from a youngster  

Great eye for talent and scouting, but maybe he's just not GM material - kinda like a coordinator who isn't HC material. Where he may find an opening is if a HC pegs him as a partner the way Shanahan grabbed Lynch, Carroll/Schneider.

Good luck to him

@Timpranillo posted:

The dream is to be good enough to earn an NFL or college coaching contract, and then bad enough to get fired shortly thereafter.

And if you really do it right,  you manage to land a model girlfriend half your age in the process.

Do you know who my dad is?

@packerboi posted:

Lord this franchise is a dumpster fire …

Tom Pelissero

@TomPelissero

The #Texans owe David Culley another $17 million over the next three years, per source. So Culley walks away with roughly $22 million for one season as Houston's head coach.

No shit.  How in the world do you judge a coach in one year with a team that has almost no talent.  How about getting rid of the GM?  Dumpster fire indeed.