NOT CAPERS FAULT!

This.

This is what I think of every time I read that we had this player or that player when the defense was "good".

Yeah, our guys now may not be as talented, and yeah, injuries have decimated our team, but they still have to be able to play basic football.

Maybe CMIII and Neal would have been able to contain him.

 

Maybe Jolly would have busted up the middle and sacked him.

 

Maybe Shields would have made that interception early in the final drive, before Kaepernick had his chances to run wild.

 

The way the defense had been playing and then to lose Shields and Neal on the first series and then lose Malumba for a while and have to put Datone Jones at OLB....I think the defense did all we could have hoped for by holding the 49ers to 23 points.

I agree.  KC had his big runs but they were at the part of the D where we were thinnest.  Who didn't see Malumba limping after KC on that last big run?  And he was the best of what was left of all our OLB's.  SF has an underrated O and their OC did his best to hit GB where they were thinnest.

I get all the maybes.  Just remember they were all there at SF.

The starting safeties were Jerron McMillian and MD Jennings.  Lacy, Hyde, and David Bakhtiari were making their first NFL starts.  Sitton and Lang were still adjusting to position changes.  Like McCarthy said last week, the Week 1 team was a different team.

That's one of the hallmarks of a D&D team.  Like it or not, it depends on it's 1st and 2nd year players making significant improvements over the course of the season.

Good point.  S.F. also was without Crabtree that opening game. 

I like that the team takes individual ownership of the loss (against SF and the season)  the fact remains, this defense gives up way too many yards and that needs to change, its simple, if we can't coach with the guys who are on the field, then we need to find a coach who can coach the guys who are on the field.  Miscommunications, bad reads, bad angles, wrong gaps, all this stuff is coaching, if our coaches can't find a way to get through, then we need to find someone who can. How painful is it when we have a team drive it right up our throats and we become 'happy' at a try for a FG, we should be stopping teams. (period)

Concur.

 

And as soon as you find a DC who can deliver a Championship Defense with MD Jennings, Andy Mulumba, AJ Hawk, Brad Jones, Jarrett Bush and a napping Raji on the field -

 

Hire him immediately and pay him whatever he wants

You're cherry picking one game from three years of futility. Again, I'm not denying that there are some personnel shortcomings. But over the last few years they've had plenty of opportunities to perform when they haven't started Mulumba and Bush. How about the 569 yard debacle from last year? Of their preferred starters they were just missing Bishop that day. Or how about the Giants playoff game from the prior year. The list could go on and on. Let's also not forget that this coaching staff decided to start guys like Bush over Shields in last year's season opener and didn't show a willingness to play Bishop until they didn't have a choice.

 

Also, it's entirely possible to win a championship without stars all over the defense. How do I know? Because they just did it in 2010. Three of the guys you mentioned (Bush, Raji, Hawk) were big parts of that win. Plus you also got big contributions from guys like Zombo, Peprah, and Howard Green.

 

 

 

I would call Jenkins, Collins, Matthews, Tramon, Bishop, and Raji at that time pretty damn close to stars in 2010.  Now we have Matthews and Shields.  Daniels is getting there.  You don't need a D of stars but you need more than a couple. 

BAL: too many to count

NYG: front 4, JPP, Webster, Ross, Boley.

GP: see above

NO: Sharper(9 picks), Porter, Vilma, Will Smith, Harper

You don't need 11 stars, but you need more than 1. Point to a SB winning team with only 1 true star player on their defense. If you don't have stars then you at least need a collection of reliable players who will always get the job done.

I would also throw Woodson on that list and perhaps Shields, who was certainly better with all of those stars or near stars around him.  Pickett was also playing at a high level then.  That's 9 high-level performers out of your top 12 on the depth chart. 

 

Again, I'm not saying Dan Comper deserves a free pass, but IMHO the reason this team is sitting at home right now is the deterioration of the personnel on the defense.  The lack of development of some of the younger guys that were supposed to replace them falls on the coaching staff and to some degree TT if he didn't draft the right guys.  

 

This isn't some black-and-white issue.

Yes, Woodson.  My bad.

 

OK, fine, they want to keep Capers. They'd better put something resembling an NFL defense out on the field next year, or it's probably time to just blow up the whole roster (excluding a handful of players) and coaching staff (and maybe even the front office) and go into rebuilding mode for a year or two. I'm not saying they need to win the Super Bowl next year, but to not put a better product on the field after so many years of trying is just inexcusable.

If I did not have to deal with stupid at work....this would be my daily supply.

 

So many spoiled ****ing pussies on this board.

 

Got my weeks and possibly months worth just on the last two pages

 

It's a gay slur, and it makes me sick.

 

EDIT : Turns out, it's pig latin for "on fire". My apologies to the Judge.

And you're calling the 11th best defense in the league part of "3 years of futility" . That doesn't help your argument much

 

http://www.pro-football-refere...m/teams/gnb/2012.htm

 

So be it

 

The people with the large football brains, training and experience all say the same thing: Dom is an excellent defensive football coach. With a ring

 

You feel differently and that's certainly your prerogative

Just like its my choice in whose opinion I put more stock

 

You've chosen your own opinion over the people who know way more than you and I. If that's your winning strategy in life, bully for you. 

 

I know that I don't know jack diddly squat about building or running an NFL team; so I read & listen to as much as I can from those who do...

 

What do you know ?  

 

Do you have a link, an article or a quote from an NFL coach, GM or player to support your opinion ? Share it with us and we'll all be smarter for it.

And I'll happily change my mind

 

I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say, I am concerned with being consistent with the Truth as its revealed to me

 

PS - The week before our playoff game, SF traveled to the # 7 defense in the entire league. And scored....23 points.

 

I posted a link about Woodson complaining about the defense, it is here somewhere.  I remember other snippets about players complaining about miscommunication or not being utilized appropriately, but am to tired to find them myself.  Raji seems to feel he isn't being used to his full potential in this defense.

 

AJ Hawk.

 

That's all I got. 

Underrated O in SF. 

A Lombardi philosophy was that you taught to the "intellectually slowest" student you had. Our staff knows who are players are going into the season (not always who is available to play on a given Sunday, but generally your roster). If the scheme is too complicated for some of the players who you may have to play to grasp....it is too complicated. You tailor your scheme to the physical and intellectual abilities of your players, not vise verse.  

That's better than nuthin and thanks EKB .

I believe Cullen Jenkins griped a bit too because early on in the transition to the 3-4 Dom was asking them to stay home and play conservative and not let it rip like they wanted to. After that Dom acquiesced a bit and let them uncork more havoc on Sunday

 

Woodson also had a well-publicized run- in with MM, but they settled their differences and won a Title. That was probably more testosterone than scheme issues IIRC.

 

Onward we go, I've already bloviated more than enough on this topic

 

3rd and 7---why have a Linebacker in at all?  But to spy Kaepernick with an injured player instead of any available DB---is crazy

I feel confident if the Packers D stays healthy and TT drafts a couple of studs and the unmotivated players become motivated and TT signs a few veterans that Dom will again field a top ten D.

I do want to say, players talking less than glowingly about a coordinator is no more an indicator he sucks than player raving about a coordinator meaning he is worth a ****.

Yeah, accepting the losses that come with rebuilding years (àla 2005 and 2006) are exactly what "spoiled pussies" are all about. Another junk year on defense, and they probably should hit the reset button on at least the coaching staff. Sorry if that threw you into a tizzy.

Who were these available DB's you would move off covering Crabtree, Davis, Patton, whatever other receivers were on the field?

http://extramustard.si.com/201...-fan-meltdown-video/

 

I believe this is what RaInbowacheese is referring to.

Right on Satori.  And if you look at the 49ers entire season, they were held to under 23 points only 5 times. 

wk 2 - Seattle held them to 7 points

wk 3 - Colts held them to 7 points

wk 10 - Panthers held them to 9 points 

wk 11 - Saints held them to 20 points

wk 14 - Seattle held them to 19 points

 

Is there something that all of those teams have in common besides holding SF to 20 points or less?  Oh yeah, those teams are all still playing in the playoffs.

 

 

 

 I question that dudes choice of friends   

Seriously, I would never invite niner fans over to watch that playoff game, that had to suck.  I didn't even go over to Cavetoads because I knew I was going to be too stressed so I watched it at home with family but ended up by myself in the basement watching the 2nd half, no regrets with those choices and my packer posters and pictures are still on the walls.  

Thompson will sign at least 1 impact FA for the defense in 2014. Mark. It. Down.

I'm O.K. with Rodgers saying this. When your GM, especially Mike Sherman says this you know you are in trouble.  Being MM said today there will probably be 25% roster turnover I'm not worried that the Packer brass think we only need a few pieces.  In TT I trust.

I'm marking it dude, and I think it will be a safety.

I am thinking it will be defensive line. Maybe Arthur Jones from Baltimore. 28 year old can play end better than anyone on the roster. Ravens probably re-sign him.

Ozzie won't let him go.

Satori:

PS - The week before our playoff game, SF traveled to the # 7 defense in the entire league. And scored....23 points.

I am not saying you are incorrect in your analysis, BUT I don't think it is a complete analysis to not even mention weather as a contributing factor.

 

For example, in one of the games you mention, the wind chill was below 0 and in the other, well, it was in Arizona.

No kidding. Bush was already on the field, who was left?

I would also agree that the weather had an effect on how many points were scored by both offenses in this game. Saw many passes dropped that normally wouldn't have been and both team decided to forego field goal attempts when they in range for normal conditions. But regardless, I had a bad feeling about where this defense was headed when Thompson made such a big investment in Brad Jones in the pre-season. I have the feeling that Teddy was lulled to sleep thinking that this dynamic-looking offense would outscore anybody. But then he never covered his butt with a reasonable backup QB. I'm not sure what kind of personality Capers has. We never really hear much other than that he seems to accept what comes his way. Maybe he needs to make more noise about what he needs to put together an exceptional defense when TT makes his decision. Balancing personnel priorities has got to challenging. I guessing McCarthy is the advocate for the offense. 

Banjo.

 

Heck throw Kalil Bell out there as a spy.