Packers Off-season prediction/transactions thread

Grave Digger posted:

As weird as it sounds I don't really think anyone is to blame for Datone busting. He was a boom/bust type player, the boom is you probably have the next Cam Jordan who can play all over the line. That's really enticing. Unfortunately that didn't happen and hindsight is 20/20, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong pick at the time. More than likely it just never clicked with Datone, we saw flashes of his athletic ability, but never on a consistent basis. They just guessed wrong, it happens. 

I don't think it was a bad pick but it was pretty obvious they kept shuffling his role on the defense due to being ineffective.  Capers is the only guy I know who can perpetuate the problem of having a different DC every year without ever leaving.  See BJ Raji.

I hope Lacy and Jones both go elsewhere (unless it's for very little money here). Datone Jones is not a difference maker and we need to get better on defense, not stay status quo. Is there anything Jones offers that you couldn't replace with a 3rd or 4th round draft choice type that has a chance to get better?

Even if you sign Lacy, he's probably going to be hurt about half the season anyway. He can't control his weight and that means he's out of shape and more prone to injury. He's a guy with a documented history of not really liking football (he doesn't watch games, he's not a fan, etc.) which makes you wonder how much film study he puts in. Let him walk and then don't go crazy as a fan base when he has the inevitable 25 carry, 125 yard, 2 TD game early in the season before getting hurt.

The Packers only had three guys that it would hurt to lose this off-season; we signed one (Perry); upgraded on another (Bennett/Kendricks for Cook)  and let the other go when he got a huge offer (Lang). All the other guys are just guys.

Losing Lang will hurt, but how likely is he to play more than 30 games in the next 3 years? They'd be better off with him in the short term (one season or so), but not for the longer term.

In hindsight I don't think there's anywhere in a 34 he belongs, he's probably just a LDE in 43. It was a good thought, taking this unique athlete with great size and trying to plug him in somewhere, but I don't think Datone could handle it.  

Disagree on Lacy.  Even Chubby Eddie was productive.  He's also played through injuries as well.

Capers is the only guy I know who can perpetuate the problem of having a different DC every year without ever leaving.  See BJ Raji.

I remember scouts/former players watching tape on Perry early in his career here and immediately noticing he was a much better pass rusher IIRC from the right side, the same side he played in college and was so effective on. Those same observers couldn't figure out why Capers wasn't using him more on that side (though some made excuses about CMIII being there). I believe it took nearly 3 seasons before they finally went with his best strength. Go figure, it worked.

I find this in basketball from time to time. Some guys are extremely "right-footed" (or vise versa), in that they are significantly better when leading with their right foot (typically right-handers). I would think that outside rushers on the right side would lead with their right foot, which may explain why Perry is better rushing from that side. 

too much thread. would anyone have a succinct players +/- list?

- Lang, Tretter, Hyde, Peppers.

+ Martellus Bennett, Nick Perry, Don Barclay

Lance Kendricks. Street FA signing. 

Visiting other teams. Cook, Lacy, Jones. Not a lot of news on Christine Michaels or Brett Goode. Expect Goode is back  

jayrone Elliott conducting some visits. As a RFA Packers will have option to match any offers  

You forgot Schum.  I don't know who I'm more excited about, Schum or Barclay.

"Wait. Was Barclay actually a free agent?"

31 GMs. 

Barclay is just kept on the roster for X4. Ted thinks the price is worth it.

Henry posted:

Disagree on Lacy.  Even Chubby Eddie was productive.  He's also played through injuries as well.

I agree he can be productive. I just don't know if Chubby Eddie can make it through a whole season. Maybe if you limit him to goal line and short yardage duty he could have a significant role and hold up.  He'd be a load coming in for a few carries in the second half once the defense was tired out a little bit.

I also agree that you can't question the guy's toughness once he's in a game. It's just whether he'll do the grunt necessary to be in optimal condition for the games that's the concern.

Wonder if ted will take same approach with Datone that he did with Nick?

Sign him to a one-year prove it contract.

Think Nick's was more of a prove you can stay healthy contract. Datone is what he is- an OK rotational player in the Packer defense but probably a better fit in the Queen's.

MichiganPacker posted:

Henry posted:

Disagree on Lacy.  Even Chubby Eddie was productive.  He's also played through injuries as well.

I agree he can be productive. I just don't know if Chubby Eddie can make it through a whole season. Maybe if you limit him to goal line and short yardage duty he could have a significant role and hold up.  He'd be a load coming in for a few carries in the second half once the defense was tired out a little bit.

I also agree that you can't question the guy's toughness once he's in a game. It's just whether he'll do the grunt necessary to be in optimal condition for the games that's the concern.

Love me some Eddie. But I agree if he can't take the job seriously he should go elsewhere.  Ideally somewhere benign like Cleveland or Jacksonville. 

michiganjoe posted:

Think Nick's was more of a prove you can stay healthy contract. Datone is what he is- an OK rotational player in the Packer defense but probably a better fit in the Queen's.

Considering Perry broke his hand in a "prove you can stay healthy contract", he did pretty well for himself.

I hope TT gives Datone a year deal before a decision is made.

I would like to see Christine Michael back.  

I'm of the belief Christine Michael is a dunderhead.  I will accept whatever the GBP decides as they got to work with him, like all the other teams.  I hope they choose wisely.

I hope TT gives Datone a year deal before a decision is made. 

I'd let Datone walk. Unless he's looking for a crazy contract, I'd rather use Jones's money towards signing someone like Connor Barwin who is an actual outside linebacker and has proven he can make an impact in a 3-4 defense. Barwin would be able to make up the majority of the OLB snaps we lose from Peppers and Datone.

Scathing…

http://www.jsonline.com/story/...rue-colors/99120766/

Silvetstein makes it sounds so personal. Like Ted forced Micah Hyde and TJ Lang  to start over with a new team for a measly 6 million and 9 million dollars. Boo hoo, those guys got paid, Lang by his childhood favorite team. It's not personal, it's not bad business to let players walk away. I can't believe anyone is still acting like they did wrong by Sitton, it's been pointed out that was an appropriate time to cut him and he got paid well also. Losing Lang hurts, but it's not insurmountable and I don't think it sends any message to the lockerroom other than that it's a business. Everyone in the lockerroom has seen teammates come and go, they know the drill. They've also seen guys like Bakh, Bulaga, Cobb, Daniels, Burnett, Matthews, and now Perry get rewarded handsomely for their effort. I doubt anyone is complaining about management. Silverstein needs to stop whining about this strategy, the team is better overall today than it was this team last week.

chickenboy posted:

Scathing…

http://www.jsonline.com/story/...rue-colors/99120766/

  Green Crustacean posted:

I put the red ones as successes:

COMPENSATORY PICKS

2015: DL Christian Ringo; TE Kennard Backman

2014: TE Richard Rodgers; WR Jared Abbrederis

2013: DL Josh Boyd

2012: DL Mike Daniels; S Jeron McMillian; OL Andrew Datko; QB B.J. Coleman

2011: CB Davon House

2010: OL Marshall Newhouse

2009: No picks

 

Came from here:  Linky

I think it's difficult to evaluate that slate of picks in a vacuum without looking at the rest of the picks from any year.

 Without those compensation picks some of the bad players on that list may have been taken with regular picks and some of the good players taken with regular picks may not be on the team.  That can quickly turn a good draft class into an ok one and an adequate draft class into a horror show.

Looking at them through a narrow focus can make it seem like TT has certain bonus players he has in mind for his compensation picks.  Extra picks can benefit a draft class in ways that go beyond just looking at the players that were chosen with them.

The Packers paid Josh Sitton a total of $30.1 million for the best 9 years of his NFL career. $3.3 million per average. The Bears gave him $21.75 million for 3 years. $10 million guaranteed for whatever he has left. And now Josh has to protect a QB that attempted 11 passes last year but makes more than twice what he does. 

Peter Schrager‏ @PSchrags 11m11 minutes ago
Jayrone Elliott (OLB) has re-signed with the Green Bay Packers on a 1-year-deal. @Gmfb @NFLONFOX

It wouldn't surprise me if Barclay is the starting RG this season, and it wouldn't be a shock for him to perform quite well.

Is Tom Silverspoon becoming too much like Bob McChickenLittle?  Wow!  Anything to sell papers (or internet subscriptions) I guess.

I think they are both good reporters and provide good analysis MOST all the time.  But the drama put forth by this article is beyond the pale.

Going to be a fun time covering the team for Silverspoon. 

Hungry5 posted:

It wouldn't surprise me if Barclay is the starting RG this season, and it wouldn't be a shock for him to perform quite well.

Oh, no, it would be a surprise.  It would be a huge surprise.  Right now my expectations are so low that making it onto the field with his shoes tied would surprise me.

Really a piece of schit article written by Silverstein. Funny he never mentions the key to Lang's contract that was beyond insane, nearly 20 mil guaranteed.

Silverstein expected "cocky" GB to match that? A player with significant injury history and who's body is more like that of a 35 year old player Thompson is supposed to throw more guaranteed money at then Nick Perry got?

Ok Tom.

And these are the same reporters ripping on GB for dumping a slow footed Micah Hyde when they just wrote a month ago that the Packers need to get much faster on D.

Jeebus no wonder Journalism has gone to schit

Not sure I would call it a scathing article but certainly one where Silverstein takes some well placed shots at the team.   To be expected as that's what he does and what else is there to write about? 

I also try to look back and figure out how many players that left in TTs tenure for  greener pastures actually played as well if not better than they did in GB?   Casey Hayward?  Cullen Jenkins?   Is that about it? 

People continue to lose their minds about TT and how he doesn't bring in a bunch of free agents or allows long term players to walk but it's difficult to find a lot of examples that haven't worked.  Josh Sitton is the most recent move. 

I would have tried to sign Lang but the money he received was more than GB was willing to pay.  It's that simple.  Time will tell if it was the wrong move but I wouldn't bet against TT. 

Maxi54 posted:

Peter Schrager‏ @PSchrags 11m11 minutes ago
Jayrone Elliott (OLB) has re-signed with the Green Bay Packers on a 1-year-deal. @Gmfb @NFLONFOX

That's what I'm talking about. That kid is ready to take off.

To be expected as that's what he does and what else is there to write about? 

He could always engage in virtue-signalling about the lack of transgendered coaches or something.  It wouldn't be that much dumber.

RoyalWulff posted:

Hungry5 posted:

It wouldn't surprise me if Barclay is the starting RG this season, and it wouldn't be a shock for him to perform quite well.

Oh, no, it would be a surprise.  It would be a huge surprise.  Right now my expectations are so low that making it onto the field with his shoes tied would surprise me.

I'd be surprised if they were on the correct feet 

Glad to see Jayrone back. Guy seems to have a knack for making things happen and don't understand why they haven't given him more opportunities. Bill Huber of PR said the Packers blew it by not paying Lang. Would have really created an awkward situation given what the team just paid their young and ascending LT.

Silver-hoarder wants it both ways.  "Spit in the eye of Hyde" - "low balled Lang" - "amateurish" talks with Cook?  So he takes TT to task when a deal doesn't get done.  Then he turns around and says GB "possibly" overpaid Perry.  Huh? 

I would say with contracts given so far may on towards half the 43 mill is already spoken for.  There will be the 5 mill for the draft and then the exclusive rights FAs of which we have about 7 left to sign.  Then with all the uncertainty about the remaining Packer FAs the rest of cap money could go quickly.  43 mill isn't "all the cap room in the world" is my point.  The teams he mentions with cap room have 90 - 100 mill in cap space when FA started.  That is tough to compete with. 

I may have to add Silver-scrap to my list of avoids.  McGinn is rubbing off on him. 

Goalline posted:

Maxi54 posted:

Peter Schrager‏ @PSchrags 11m11 minutes ago
Jayrone Elliott (OLB) has re-signed with the Green Bay Packers on a 1-year-deal. @Gmfb @NFLONFOX

That's what I'm talking about. That kid is ready to take off.

Yay, Photonegative Janis is back!

@PackersNotes 2h2 hours ago Lance Kendrick's deal is worth $4M for 2 years with $1.2M signing bonus... Another bargain.

Free agents the Packers should or could sign according to these guys.  Who knows if any will take place.  Has Mangold ever played guard?

http://packerstalk.com/2017/03...28PackersTalk.com%29

https://nflspinzone.com/2017/0...ig-names-still-sign/

Some of that cap room may be used to extend a 2018 free agent or two.

The free agents next year are Burnett, Lane Taylor, Jayrone Elliot, Don Barclay, Davante Adams, RichRod, Linsley, Demetri Goodson, and Jan!s.

You would think Linsley is a priority as well as Burnett.

I know Henry and others will want to make sure we lock up Barclay long term.