****in Ted. Every year sits with the blinds drawn, thumb up his ass with a pile of cash. What a ****in life.
Teddy Scoooge.
Grave Digger posted:Get a brain moran, he has Sam Bradford, Anthony Barr, and Riley Reiff. The new Traingle of Power.
The child beater would be the 4th of the 4 Horsemen of the apocalypse
GBFanForLife posted:****in Ted. Every year sits with the blinds drawn, thumb up his ass with a pile of cash. What a ****in life.
I call that, "Tuesdays".
pablopackerfan posted:big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....
Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second. and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.
I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan. But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers) we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.
I truly believe that within five years that the Patriots will be a 5-11 team.
within 10 years, so will th packers, 5-11.
when this time comes people will start remembering the "good old days" when the Packers were in the playoffs and in the hunt every season.
once Brady and Rodgers are gone these teams are probably the bills and bears of the league.
unless, of course, they find the next Bledso/Brady or Favre/Rodgers.
we need to enjoy what we are being given right now.
after the 70's, I am happy that we are in the hunt every year with a chance at the Lombardi.
most of you probably do not even remember the ****storm of the 70's and 80's.
i will take a ten win season over that crap every time.
at least making the playoffs gives the chance of a SB.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Goalline posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:El-Stalker-Bong posted:What years in the last 5 have we not been realistic superbowl contenders?
I mean a really solid chance of going to the superbowl.
The answer is Dom Capers.
Dom is a scape goat for many, but the fact is, he hasn't been given a lot of talent to work with. You can't make chicken sald out of chicken Sh*t. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the Packers would have signed Donta Hightower, and AJ bouye this year..think the Defense wouldnt have been significantly improved?? Of course it would have been. Would that have been because of Dom suddenly, or because they brought in more talent??
If your point is that TT sucks, because he hasn't produced great defensive tallant, I'm with you. TT hasn't drafted all that spectacularly well on defense. If your point is that free agency is the solution, I think you are nuts. Even the Patriots, with all their wheeling and dealing, will point to drafted players as the long term difference makers...for the most part.
Sure, but NE also utilizes FA to plug holes when needed, and aren't afriad to spend $$(Gilmore), to upgrade a position they feel they are weak at. They traded their #1 piack for Brandin Cooks..I'm sure there theory was that the player they got there(#32) would NOT have the immediate impact that acquiring a player of Cooks caliber will. They would be correct. That's what i think Ted doesn't get. Trade your #1 sometimes for a really good player. odds are picking that low, you aren't going to get a player that can make an immediate impact,l the way the player you'd be trading for could/will. It makes too much sense.
The Pack D is a weakness..what exactly has Ted done to upgrade it this offsesaon?? NOTHING. Sure he can draft guys, but if you think rookies are going to come in and make a HUGE impact right away..I don't know what to tell you. Not likely to happen. Not picking that low anyway.
My point is, NE reloads...that's why they get to where they are every year.
And, the 2010 team really had no business being in the playoffs at all.
that team won it all. Destroyed by injury but got hot in the playoffs.
what exactly is your point?
Herschel posted:El-Stalker-Bong posted:It was a simple question.
Ted has built a supebowl caliber team more often than he hasn't
Hypothetically, if they won the superbowl in 2015, they would have one more superbowl
Yet they still collapsed and didn't make it. Take all other clusters aside, it was holdover AJ Hawk who was too useless to make a not-too-difficult play that could have still won the game. When the game was on the line, Seattle's guys could make plays, Green Bay had AJ Hawk as the focal point on a pivotal play and, surprise, surprise, he couldn't be counted on.
False.
it was the culmination of many events in that game.
the most damning being a reserve TE not following instructions and trying to be a hero.
if he would have simply done his job correctly, the Packers were in the SB.
GrainBelt66 posted:pablopackerfan posted:big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....
Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second. and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.
I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan. But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers) we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.
I truly believe that within five years that the Patriots will be a 5-11 team.
within 10 years, so will th packers, 5-11.
when this time comes people will start remembering the "good old days" when the Packers were in the playoffs and in the hunt every season.
once Brady and Rodgers are gone these teams are probably the bills and bears of the league.
unless, of course, they find the next Bledso/Brady or Favre/Rodgers.
we need to enjoy what we are being given right now.
after the 70's, I am happy that we are in the hunt every year with a chance at the Lombardi.
most of you probably do not even remember the ****storm of the 70's and 80's.
i will take a ten win season over that crap every time.
at least making the playoffs gives the chance of a SB.
You make me miss capital letters at the beginning of sentences.
YATittle posted:Herschel posted:El-Stalker-Bong posted:It was a simple question.
Ted has built a supebowl caliber team more often than he hasn't
Hypothetically, if they won the superbowl in 2015, they would have one more superbowl
Yet they still collapsed and didn't make it. Take all other clusters aside, it was holdover AJ Hawk who was too useless to make a not-too-difficult play that could have still won the game. When the game was on the line, Seattle's guys could make plays, Green Bay had AJ Hawk as the focal point on a pivotal play and, surprise, surprise, he couldn't be counted on.
THIS!
Disagree, it was a back up TE not doing his job, a very simple job that both you and I could have accomplished, that cost the Packers in 2014.
Sure, a lot of crap happened in that ***storm, but it basically comes down to an idiot trying to be a hero.
he failed and the Packers went home.
End of story.
everything that happened before that point is moot.
Grave Digger posted:El-Stalker-Bong posted:You did cover argument #4, but not like you think you did
Crap, I thought my Bong impression was so spot on. I didn't use enough gifs or memes to get my point across.
You fought the Bong, and the Bong won? οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½οΏ½
Grave Digger posted:Just because the Patriots made those moves doesn't mean it's wrong that the Packers didn't make equally dramatic moves. There's more than one way to have success as an organization, people argue as if there is one way. Just because Bill Belichick approaches an offseason in a certain way doesn't mean that is the ONLY successful way function as an organization. The most important things that a successful GM has to do is maintain the salary cap and find a true franchise QB, a franchise LT, and a franchise pass rusher. Whatever scheme you run doesn't matter, those are the 3 positions that get paid the most and they're the most critical to any team being successful. How you build off that foundation is debatable, there's more than 1 right answer, but you will always be in the championship hunt if you do those things.
This means that the Browns are a QB away from domination.
I actually agree with you.
and, for some reason, I love the Browns.
Probably because they remind me of those lovable losers of the 70's Packers.
El-Stalker-Bong posted:The Lions approach the off-season using EVERY way.
Every team does.
Including,"gasp", the Packers
grignon posted:Green Bay does not play on a level playing field in the business end of the NFL. For 2 reasons.
One-Their open books and lack of a deep pocket owner means nothing can be offered to a FA under the table or over the cap.
"Wait a second" you say, "That's illegal!"
Ignoring the teams that actually did make non-ledgered cash transfers in the past, nothing stops a team/owner from connecting with a company that wants players for marketing purposes.
Two- Green Bay is a cold, small, culturally conservative backwater. It's an ideal place for a certain lifestyle. But not the typical lifestyle of southern born, young, urban, wealthy men, especially those of color.
TT paid a premium for the last splash free agent, Charles Woodson, even though their only competition for him was a good Tampa team that wanted him at safety. And Woodson was open about his initial reticence in coming to Green Bay.
Everything else being equal, Green Bay loses in the minds of many players. Which is why acquiring "Packer People" who can really perform, by the draft or on the market, is so frequently fruitless.
Please, let us transcend the 80's mentality of racism
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Ian RapoportβVerified account
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#Saints are hosting#Patriots RFA CB Malcolm Butler on his visit now & there is momentum toward finalizing a deal before he leaves.This is what I mean..there is ZERO logical reason, TT shouldn't have gotten involved in this. What is his rationale?? Even if you HAD to give up a 1st(which he wouldn't, you'd negtiate that down), so what?? Are you going to get a CB in the draft at 30 that is currently as good as Butler is?? Ummm no. So you'd count that as your first round pick essentially. Oh yeah, and he is only 27.
I don't expect TT to sign everyone, but what irritates me more than anything is when they have an obvious need somewhere, and acquiring a player makes too much sense, he NEVER does it.
Jamaal Charles is another example...he fots perfectly in this ffense, and oh yeah, there's a need for a RB. Has Ted reached out to him?? Nope.
Well, once a man starts thinking illogically there is not much hope for change from said man..
i wish you well in all of your life's endeavors.
grignon posted:"Has Ted reached out to him?? Nope."
You know that how?
It still amazes me how some not only believe their own infallibility in talent assessment but also know the dollar cost for every possible FA pickup. I think it more likely that TT knows the starting price for every free agent on the market and which teams are willing to smash the pink piggy to beat that price.
Had the Packers played better at a few positions they might have won the last superb owl. The point is "Better"; not "Great".
To win the title a team generally needs greatness from 1-2 players and a few playing "good". The rest just have to be "good enough".
A ray of sunshine, good post!
excalibur posted:PackerPatrick posted:At this point I expect we will have more tradable comp picks next year and a healthy cap. This allows TT to trade a few draft picks this year to move around the board some or even trade for a player, but I doubt he will do too much of that. Signing as many of our players that many of us wanted to keep would have made next year tough on next years cap. TT has a plan. That plan allows for some wiggle room both this year and the next. TT is ready if a surprise player is cut and still keep us competitive in the future. That's his MO and I don't expect it to change. TT will draft good players at key positions, pick up some good value FS's and that's that for this year.
That's the same as ever, and so far has resulted in one SB appearance with the best QB of the past decade. In fact, TT has been made to look better than he is by AR.
AR has covered a lot of warts all around, from the GM to the coaching staff.
Is he?
i mean I love me some AR, but is he really the best? Tom Brady begs to differ. So do a few others.
Aaron in an awesome QB, but is he really the best over the last Decade?
stats and championships seem to disagree.
Blair Kiel posted:GrainBelt66 posted:pablopackerfan posted:big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....
Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second. and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.
I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan. But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers) we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.
I truly believe that within five years that the Patriots will be a 5-11 team.
within 10 years, so will th packers, 5-11.
when this time comes people will start remembering the "good old days" when the Packers were in the playoffs and in the hunt every season.
once Brady and Rodgers are gone these teams are probably the bills and bears of the league.
unless, of course, they find the next Bledso/Brady or Favre/Rodgers.
we need to enjoy what we are being given right now.
after the 70's, I am happy that we are in the hunt every year with a chance at the Lombardi.
most of you probably do not even remember the ****storm of the 70's and 80's.
i will take a ten win season over that crap every time.
at least making the playoffs gives the chance of a SB.
You make me miss capital letters at the beginning of sentences.
I miss them too.
Funny thing about an iPad, sometime it does it for you, sometimes not.
I will try to do better for you in the future.
O.K.? I
type like you talk when you are in a message board....how does anyone know you are using Capital Letters to start a sentence when talking...or punctuation for that matter
my inner Oshbaul
Sandwich!
SanDiegoPackFan posted:type like you talk when you are in a message board....how does anyone know you are using Capital Letters to start a sentence when talking...or punctuation for that matter
Maybe I talk like this as well?
seems as though you do as well.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:type like you talk when you are in a message board....how does anyone know you are using Capital Letters to start a sentence when talking...or punctuation for that matter
The Clown Shirt to English translation/speech to text software has been a real god send for you I bet.
I can imagine what a face to face conversation with SDPF is like
"Hey dot dot dot this is unfair dot dot dot my opinion is important dot dot dot"
hi
good morning
have a nice day
yes honey
i dont deserve you
all this typing without caps is jeenyous imagine a keyboard with less keys i may have crossed the line on dont but think about it no more punctuation marks
and lets be honest do we need 26 letter
The Decabet! from josh apter on Vimeo.
El-Stalker-Bong posted:I can imagine what a face to face conversation with SDPF is like
"Hey dot dot dot this is unfair dot dot dot my opinion is important dot dot dot"
How about with you? Condescension with visual aids?
I think that they are going to use some of the cap space for Haha C-D, adams, and or linsley who are up next year
El-Stalker-Bong posted:
el dog bong
loud applause
As are Lane Taylor and Morgan Burnett. While this year seemed extreme for the number Ted let walk, next year will probably be the most he's ever spent to extend a group of his own.
Wait, sorry. I meant he'll use it to further pad the cash cushion he sits on. Am I doing this right?
Slobknocker posted:I think that they are going to use some of the cap space for Haha C-D, adams, and or linsley who are up next year
ME TOO
just rating to get my caps in, not shouting.......
RatPack posted:El-Stalker-Bong posted:
el dog bong
loud applause
Possibly the funniest GIF I have ever seen.
but only because it looks just like my dog...
GrainBelt66 posted:pablopackerfan posted:big difference between being in the championship hunt and winning championships....
Patriots moves this year remain to be seen. TTs moves this year remain to be seen as well. But the proof is already there. It's not a debate. Patriots way is better than everyone else's. TT's is second best, but a distant second. and NY and Denver have more champs than GB so that could be debatable.
I'm not saying I would be better than TT not even close. He's a genius. I'm sure he has a plan for this year and it's going to be a great plan. But I think at this point it's obvious to everyone that a little more assertiveness in the FA market could help make hay while the sun shines (Rodgers) we wasted some of Favre's best years. We've wasted some of Rodgers' best years already too. Missing on D primarily... but if you think about the past 10 years and nothing else, no way to argue that the Pats way is just one way. It's the best way. Period.
I truly believe that within five years that the Patriots will be a 5-11 team.
within 10 years, so will th packers, 5-11.
when this time comes people will start remembering the "good old days" when the Packers were in the playoffs and in the hunt every season.
once Brady and Rodgers are gone these teams are probably the bills and bears of the league.
unless, of course, they find the next Bledso/Brady or Favre/Rodgers.
we need to enjoy what we are being given right now.
after the 70's, I am happy that we are in the hunt every year with a chance at the Lombardi.
most of you probably do not even remember the ****storm of the 70's and 80's.
i will take a ten win season over that crap every time.
at least making the playoffs gives the chance of a SB.
lots of bold predictions for a decade from now... Patriots are reloading while Brady is still playing and the Packers basically stand pat on draft and develop. I would bet Rodgers is frustrated and he would be justified if so. Making the playoffs is great and I remember the 70s and 80s. But when you have Favre and Rodgers for 30 years and only 3 SBs and 2 champs, it's a big miss; especially when the Pats have 7 or 8 SBs and 5 champs. I never used to be a FA advocate but it's obvious now that smart but more aggressive FA would help us and maybe get Rodgers a D and the weapons he needs to win another SB or two.
GrainBelt66 posted:grignon posted:Green Bay does not play on a level playing field in the business end of the NFL. For 2 reasons.
One-Their open books and lack of a deep pocket owner means nothing can be offered to a FA under the table or over the cap.
"Wait a second" you say, "That's illegal!"
Ignoring the teams that actually did make non-ledgered cash transfers in the past, nothing stops a team/owner from connecting with a company that wants players for marketing purposes.
Two- Green Bay is a cold, small, culturally conservative backwater. It's an ideal place for a certain lifestyle. But not the typical lifestyle of southern born, young, urban, wealthy men, especially those of color.
TT paid a premium for the last splash free agent, Charles Woodson, even though their only competition for him was a good Tampa team that wanted him at safety. And Woodson was open about his initial reticence in coming to Green Bay.
Everything else being equal, Green Bay loses in the minds of many players. Which is why acquiring "Packer People" who can really perform, by the draft or on the market, is so frequently fruitless.
"Please, let us transcend the 80's mentality of racism "
Nah, because that could be said about any player regardless of race. Also, GB is cold!!! in the winter.
Except for the winters, I enjoyed my time in Wisconsin but I now prefer to live in SC.
It's the D, it's the D, it's the D. This team has done well on offense with Rodgers, but the D has been letting this team down for what seems like a decade. You would think that for some of those years we would have been coached on D into a SB. I hate that MM and TT are so loyal to Capers.
GrainBelt, enjoy the moment buddy.
So yesterday NFL Network replayed the entire Packers @ Cowboys game--you know, the one where Rodgers and Crosby did a bunch of crazy stuff and we won, despite the defense trying super hard to lose? Yea, that game.
Anyway, watching that game beginning to end reminded of something: we need a secondary--badly. Without it, we will continue to fall short.
House helps, but it's time to buck up and pay for a secondary. Rodgers is as near his prime as he's ever going to be and I think the next 4 seasons will be his best. We have to build a complete team to take advantage of it.
Anyway, watching that game beginning to end reminded of something: we need a secondary--badly.
The Packers need a primary too, one that can get home and not leave the secondary defending so long.