With Cook, GM's (well, most) understand the best QB in football was also throwing him the football in 2016 along side 2 combined 2300 yard WR's as well.
Makes for favorable match ups for him.
Cook said he's looking for a long term deal and that he wants to be settled somewhere for awhile. Pure guess, but GB may be offering him a 2 year deal that's really a one year and he wants something like 3-4 years.
More poker playing with Ted. Guess who won't be blinking?
@TomSilverstein 27m27 minutes agoTom Silverstein Retweeted Adam SchefterTranslation: #Packers saying "if you can get what you're asking for somewhere else, mazel tov."
Players have to do what is best for themselves and the team has to do what's best for the team. I don't think the issue is ever quibbling over 1 or 2 million in value, I think the issue is almost always security. The player wants a longer deal or more guaranteed dollars, why wouldn't they? Every player, especially players 30+, is one awkward tackle or accidental roll up away from potentially having their careers ended. The team wants less of a commitment and the ability to cut ties with minimal cap implications if major injury or poor performance occurs, again why wouldn't they? There's a limited pot of money to spread over 53 roster spots. Both sides have valid arguments, but I want what is best for GB and not Jared Cook. If that means Cook has to walk to minimize risk for the team then I'm okay with it. Hope we can keep him, but he's not irreplaceable.
TT seldom asks players to restructure their contracts. He is upfront on what he will pay and what he will not. Agents should know that when a player signs with GB that player (unless he breaks the rules or has serious neck or head injuries) will get the whole contract. A whole lot of players sign a huge deal with other teams only to get cut when they don't play up to the contract later. For example, Peppers did not deserve the pay he got last year but TT kept him. We can say the same about other players in GB who may not be worth their current contracts. If he signs them they will most likely stay. That has to account for something, yet most agents don't count that. Players should.
Per Brandt this morning. A minimum of 30-40% of the free agents signing big deals in free agency in 2017 will be cut loose in the month leading up to free agency in 2019. It's always been that way.
Think the Packers knew that what they were willing to pay Hyde was well below what other teams were and there's no reason to extend an offer in that situation. Expect when everyone is done going through the motions both Cook and Lacy are back with the team.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:So do people here think Billicheck was stupid for dishing out 14 mill a year for Stephon Gilmore?? I bet they don't. Yet, if Ted did that, you would all think it was a terrible move because he spent so much money on one player. Pretty sure Billicheck knows what the hell he's doing.
Gilmore was signed because Butler is looking for as much if not more money and they're considering using him as trade bait to get a WR.
It's easy to look at a player in a vacuum but that's useless. It's all about team needs. BB is essentially trying to swap one player for another with the Gilmore deal.
Per Rapoport. Panthers are working to bring Julius Peppers back home to Carolina.
GreenNgoldDumbass posted:So do people here think Billicheck was stupid
No, they just know that you are stupid. And your posts are really stupid. Its a tight race between you and your posts for the single stupidest thing to ever inhabit this forum. I've got my money on you dumbass, don't let me down.
You TT apologists can stop with the annual shtick. TT's record when it comes to free agency is clear: he consistently fails to effectively use free agency to supplement the roster. It's clear that Rodgers has the same opinion. It's time for TT to adjust. We're wasting the career of arguably the most talented QB ever. That is, given what Rodgers has accomplished up to this point, we should have more than one title to show for it.
First:
Jermichael Finley@JermichaelF88. Do I need to lace the cleats up? In my opinion you can find a Jared Cook type TE in the draft.
Short time later:
Jermichael Finley@JermichaelF88. 12 isnt happy today. #Packers #JaredCook
I don't miss that guy at all. "You can find another Jared Cook in the draft". "GB is pissing 12 off by not signing Cook". All within the span of an hour. Moron.
ChilliJon posted:Per Rapoport. Panthers are working to bring Julius Peppers back home to Carolina.
And Peppers will watch RB's blow right past him back home as well. Was turrible against the run last season in GB. His jogging down the field was at times comical.
Thank you Julius for your efforts, good luck somewhere else!
Yes indeed we win a lot..then lose in embarrassing fashion with defensive meltdowns in last game of season, in-spite of heroic effort from QB. If that is how you define success, could you super-size my meal please?
Lambeau Lobo posted:You TT apologists can stop with the annual shtick. TT's record when it comes to free agency is clear: he consistently fails to effectively use free agency to supplement the roster. It's clear that Rodgers has the same opinion. It's time for TT to adjust. We're wasting the career of arguably the most talented QB ever. That is, given what Rodgers has accomplished up to this point, we should have more than one title to show for it.
Don't disagree with TT adapting but when you blow a gasket on the 1st day of FA you're going to get torched.
I don't care what team/GM/philosophy you espouse, blowing a huge load of cash on the 1st day of FA is desperation. As stated there are also contracts over the course of the year that need to be negotiated. If the Packers had the cap space of the Browns, then yes, huck money all over the place but they don't.
March 10th.
TT's MO is always wait until day 3 or so. That's when the prices start to drop as guys don't get the offers they want. Then he waits some more.
Hyde was a solid guy for GB, but just a solid guy. I think they want to get Evans, Brice, Goodson on the field. My guess is Gunter takes over Hyde's role if R&R are healthy.
Per Rap, Peppers officially signs with the Panthers. Thanks for the memories.
Good for him. He gets to play near home for a year.
PackerJoe posted:Bad, bad news on Cook. I think it would have been a good idea to overpay to keep Cook. Market value seems to be around 5 - 5.5 million dollars, I'd have no problem with bumping it up to 7 million. That's not a huge commitment for a guy who could be a real difference maker on offense.
But Thompson would probably be perfectly content to let him go. He spent that third round pick on Richard Rodgers and likely has full confidence that this will be his breakout year.
Overpay? based on who's evaluation. If he will make $7 million dollars worth of plays for the Packers, sign him. If he will make $5 million worth of plays don't sign him for $7 million. Let someone else make the mistake.
If TT thinks Dick Rodgers is a future star he is going to be sadly mistaken.
bigdoggyjude posted:Yes indeed we win a lot..then lose in embarrassing fashion with defensive meltdowns in last game of season, in-spite of heroic effort from QB. If that is how you define success, could you super-size my meal please?
So there have only been 4 successful seasons in Packers history during the SB era. Mike Holmgren wasted everyone's time while he had one of the top QBs and defensive players of all time, should have won 9 SBs. Don Shula might as well have been bagging groceries while he had Marino. Bill Cowher was a total loser except for that one 1 year the refs helped them win it all. You're disappointed a lot apparently.
I don't fault Cook for maximizing his income right now. His value is never going to be higher. He played with the best QB in football and had 30 catches this year.
They can find a guy to replace Cook that costs less then 7 million a year. Just don't go into the regular season with RichRod as the starter.
Or just trade up and draft OJ Howard.
Henry posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:You TT apologists can stop with the annual shtick. TT's record when it comes to free agency is clear: he consistently fails to effectively use free agency to supplement the roster. It's clear that Rodgers has the same opinion. It's time for TT to adjust. We're wasting the career of arguably the most talented QB ever. That is, given what Rodgers has accomplished up to this point, we should have more than one title to show for it.
Don't disagree with TT adapting but when you blow a gasket on the 1st day of FA you're going to get torched.
I don't care what team/GM/philosophy you espouse, blowing a huge load of cash on the 1st day of FA is desperation. As stated there are also contracts over the course of the year that need to be negotiated. If the Packers had the cap space of the Browns, then yes, huck money all over the place but they don't.
March 10th.
Agreed. I'm not declaring this free agency period a failure yet. I'll let it play out. But if we want to make a serious run at another championship, TT needs to adjust NOW. We can't waste another year of Rodgers' prime.
It's ironic that, in what was probably his best opportunity to get a ring, it was Peppers who told Morgan to get on the ground in Seattle. He was worth the signing though.
I'll remember plays like the one where he stuck that massive arm out and stripped DeMarco Murray in the playoffs against Dallas when it looked like Murray had nothing but room to run (while Hawk jumped around like a capuchin monkey on meth getting nothing done). It was time to part company though. Thanks Julius.
Grave Digger posted:bigdoggyjude posted:Yes indeed we win a lot..then lose in embarrassing fashion with defensive meltdowns in last game of season, in-spite of heroic effort from QB. If that is how you define success, could you super-size my meal please?
So there have only been 4 successful seasons in Packers history during the SB era. Mike Holmgren wasted everyone's time while he had one of the top QBs and defensive players of all time, should have won 9 SBs. Don Shula might as well have been bagging groceries while he had Marino. Bill Cowher was a total loser except for that one 1 year the refs helped them win it all. You're disappointed a lot apparently.
Apparently, even more than my wife. 
Yup, I'll always remember him motioning Burnett to get down when he had nothing but clear sailing ahead and would have at least got us into field goal range....
Lambeau Lobo posted:Henry posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:You TT apologists can stop with the annual shtick. TT's record when it comes to free agency is clear: he consistently fails to effectively use free agency to supplement the roster. It's clear that Rodgers has the same opinion. It's time for TT to adjust. We're wasting the career of arguably the most talented QB ever. That is, given what Rodgers has accomplished up to this point, we should have more than one title to show for it.
Don't disagree with TT adapting but when you blow a gasket on the 1st day of FA you're going to get torched.
I don't care what team/GM/philosophy you espouse, blowing a huge load of cash on the 1st day of FA is desperation. As stated there are also contracts over the course of the year that need to be negotiated. If the Packers had the cap space of the Browns, then yes, huck money all over the place but they don't.
March 10th.
Agreed. I'm not declaring this free agency period a failure yet. I'll let it play out. But if we want to make a serious run at another championship, TT needs to adjust NOW. We can't waste another year of Rodgers' prime.
Last year's WASTED SEASON was one game away from the Super Bowl. I think that is all the evidence I need to show that TT is building things the right way. Funny enough, for others it is evidence that TT needs to change the way he does things. ODD!
Cook will not determine the Packers fate in 2017. I wouldn't be surprised that they view him as a nice luxury, but not a necessity. There are replacements out there plus the draft.
The defense is where they need the $$$ to flow. They're minus one starter already, and no one on the roster has proven they're capable of high level of play. The defense needs at least one excellent CB to start, then to draft another in a deep draft.
Goalline posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:Henry posted:Lambeau Lobo posted:
Agreed. I'm not declaring this free agency period a failure yet. I'll let it play out. But if we want to make a serious run at another championship, TT needs to adjust NOW. We can't waste another year of Rodgers' prime.
Last year's WASTED SEASON was one game away from the Super Bowl. I think that is all the evidence I need to show that TT is building things the right way. Funny enough, for others it is evidence that TT needs to change the way he does things. ODD!
With only one Super Bowl appearance in Rodgers' career, yes, we are wasting an unbelievable opportunity. When you have one of the greatest QBs of all-time under center, you're going to make the playoffs on a consistent basis. A great QB can provide cover for significant deficiencies elsewhere on the roster. But such teams are usually exposed at some point in the playoffs. It takes a complete team to win it all.
Arguably the main problem is that TT hasn't been successful in assembling talent on the defensive side of the ball. It is not a coincidence that Rodgers has played with a top-10 defense twice in his career, and he won the Super Bowl one of those years (the second time was his first year in the playoffs). If TT can't draft a good defense, he needs to supplement the roster via free agency.
Lambeau, TT has been woeful coming up with defensive talent and brilliant coming up with offensive talent. So, blow your wad on some superstar defensive talent, and I guarantee some of those guys will bust. Their contracts will make impossible to sign the offensive talent.
You guys act like you have blinders on. Should we listing all the big free agent busts this league has seen, particularly on the defensive side of the ball? Albert Hayensworth has a whole stable of full of high class hookers on retainer. Are the Redskins finally out of cap hell?
mrtundra posted:
Unfortunately, that dude is not smart enough to get away with it.
Nick Collins would have entered his 12th year in Green Bay at 33 years old this year. Ahh what might have been. Ted has managed to find some great talent on defense. Draft or effective use of FA. Would have been special to see them all play longer together. But that ain't how football works. All you can do is absorb the hits and keep swinging without crippling the franchise.
Not trying to absolve Ted of things he's done wrong. Hawk. Brad Jones. Losing Hayward for the money he ended up getting. He's missed. Had some bad, bad draft picks. He's loyal to no end. I agree he needs to take a look at how he continually churns the roster. He can and should do better. But he's still one of the best in the biz.
ChilliJon posted:Nick Collins would have entered his 12th year in Green Bay at 33 years old this year. Ahh what might have been. Ted has managed to find some great talent on defense. Draft or effective use of FA. Would have been special to see them all play longer together. But that ain't how football works. All you can do is absorb the hits and keep swinging without crippling the franchise.
Not trying to absolve Ted of things he's done wrong. Hawk. Brad Jones. Losing Hayward for the money he ended up getting. He's missed. Had some bad, bad draft picks. He's loyal to no end. I agree he needs to take a look at how he continually churns the roster. He can and should do better. But he's still one of the best in the biz.
Nick Collins, Clinton-Dix, Burnett, CM3, Raji, Mike Daniels, and Sam Shields have all been good to great picks. He's had just as many misses on the offensive side due to injury or talent (Sherrod, Spriggs so far, RichRod, J. Franklin), it's just that a great QB on offense overcomes a ton of problems.
His downfall on defense has been the inability to draft or find ILBs that aren't liabilities and, last year, CBs that could actually cover someone. The defense hasn't been beat because they don't have enough great players. They've been beat because they've had to play guys that didn't have enough talent (or weren't coached up) and therefore played like crap. The weak links get you beat on defense because the offense dictates the action. You can go after a terrible CB or ILB. It's harder to go after a terrible OG, RB, or TE since the offense can design plays to minimize weaknesses.
Spriggs? huh?
Linebacker Connor Barwin has been caught in between switches from a 3-4 to 4-3 defenses, changes in Philadelphia Eagles coaches and defensive coordinators. Now the Green Bay Packers are said to be one of the NFL teams interested in bringing him in, according to Bill Huber of The Packers Report.
http://bit.ly/2m9l0na
Honestly, people who are upset that there weren't any big, splashy FA signings by Green Bay on day one just haven't been paying attention. Was never going to happen. Honestly, I think the defense is going to be just fine next year. We got hammered by injuries in one area which was too much to absorb. But the guys we have back there (Randall and Rollins) have shown they have the talent to be stars in this league, just need to get healthy. And we have some extremely talented, athletic young guys who will have another year of experience under their belts. The opportunity is there for someone to step up and be an elite corner.
Would love to see Cook back but seriously, he is stiff and has terrible hands. Probably a dozen second stringers around the league who could come in and replicate what he did. I know there's not much love for Rich Rod around here but I think he would be fine carrying the position if needed, not much drop off there at all. Not as fast but much better hands.
Would also love to see TJ back but if he's going to command 9 mill per year, let him walk. Guards are easy to replace and I would bet we could find a street FA who could carry the water while our next 4th-5th rounder is learning the position. Invest in tackles, go cheap at guard.
My question is anyone left on the market that folks would like to see targeted? I'm sure TT will sign someone we haven't heard of in a couple weeks but I'm guessing we won't see much action any time soon. Which is fine, excellent draft class coming up to help the team reload. May not be Super Bowl bound but they will still be a ton of fun to watch!
This is a good draft for CBs and pass rushers. I'd still argue they need to get a good pass rusher early maybe before a CB. It's not like Perry and Matthews are the most durable guys, and even when healthy they need snaps off. I also really like Matthews in the "joker" role, meaning even more snaps to be covered outside. Another bigger guy would also be good as Jones is likely gone.
Heck, a TJ Watt/Fabian Moreau/Daeshon Hall-type first three rounds would be fine by me.
I didn't realize Ted Thompson posted on this site 
Dang it Herschel....that 16 seconds made my post less humorous.
MN Backthepack posted:.
Would love to see Cook back but seriously, he is stiff and has terrible hands. Probably a dozen second stringers around the league who could come in and replicate what he did. I know there's not much love for Rich Rod around here but I think he would be fine carrying the position if needed, not much drop off there at all. Not as fast but much better hands.
We were MUCH better when Cook was in the lineup. There are not "a dozen second stringers" who can threaten the seam like he can.
FLPACKER posted:MN Backthepack posted:.
Would love to see Cook back but seriously, he is stiff and has terrible hands. Probably a dozen second stringers around the league who could come in and replicate what he did. I know there's not much love for Rich Rod around here but I think he would be fine carrying the position if needed, not much drop off there at all. Not as fast but much better hands.
We were MUCH better when Cook was in the lineup. There are not "a dozen second stringers" who can threaten the seam like he can.
A dozen may have been hyperbole but the Pack was able to get him cheap last year for a reason. He's just not great, certainly not worth big bucks. Easily replaced in the draft or through free agency for much less coin. Ted is just not going to overpay for a guy like that. Which is why the team has been consistently elite.
