But they already won one. So there's that.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Arodg wants FA's, don't you think Ted should, at the VERY least consider it??
I think there are reasonable concerns about the operations at 1265 Cough CAPERS cough, but really, he doesn't even consider free agents?
And for context sake, what GM is killing it right now with free agent moves?
Crash-Ka-Bong posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:Arodg wants FA's, don't you think Ted should, at the VERY least consider it??
I think there are reasonable concerns about the operations at 1265 Cough CAPERS cough, but really, he doesn't even consider free agents?
And for context sake, what GM is killing it right now with free agent moves?
Ted's idea of "considering" a FA signing(other than a Walmart priced one), is writing that players name down on a piece of paper to remember in case his price drops to what Ted thinks is acceptable. or maybe have someone in on a cursory visit and then lowballing them, or letting them leave without a REASONABLE offer, then he can tell the fan base "hey, we tried to sign some guys". Umm, no you didn't.
Seriously, if I was an agent for some of these guys, and knowing how Ted operates and he called me to set up a visit for my client, I'd tell him "if you aren't going to be SERIOUS about signing my client, please don't waste our time".
A good GM doesn't wait for FA to start. We want results now, damnit
While I'm all for Ted kicking some FA tires. Gotta start with Lang and Tretter. Can't lose them both. And the price tag won't be cheap.
Packdog posted:A good GM doesn't wait for FA to start. We want results now, damnit
He's got guys of his own to re-sign you know?? Cook, Perry, Lacy, Lang maybe Hyde. You can(and should) do that before FA starts.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:You CANNOT win championships in the NFL with as many UDFAs the Packers have on the roster every year.
FWIW - Look at the 16 teams with winning records to see where they stand in terms of UDFA players on the roster, games played, and starts.
| Team | On roster | Games | Starts | Wins |
| Seahawks | 18 | 148 | 71 | 10 |
| Texans | 16 | 154 | 48 | 9 |
| Giants | 11 | 116 | 46 | 11 |
| Packers | 13 | 136 | 44 | 10 |
| Steelers | 9 | 101 | 44 | 11 |
| Patriots | 7 | 109 | 37 | 14 |
| Buccaneers | 13 | 124 | 36 | 9 |
| Cowboys | 12 | 137 | 34 | 13 |
| Chiefs | 11 | 99 | 29 | 12 |
| Falcons | 9 | 92 | 27 | 11 |
| Washington | 7 | 71 | 26 | 8 |
| Broncos | 12 | 112 | 24 | 9 |
| Raiders | 13 | 118 | 20 | 12 |
| Titans | 7 | 53 | 13 | 9 |
| Dolphins | 9 | 107 | 5 | 10 |
| Lions | 5 | 32 | 5 | 9 |
GreenNgoldBlood posted:He's got guys of his own to re-sign you know?? Cook, Perry, Lacy, Lang maybe Hyde. You can(and should) do that before FA starts.
And you know that he hasn't or doesn't have deals nearly closed and signed?
But again, I don’t have any secrets. And if I did, I wouldn’t tell you. - Ted Thompson
Almost every year, from Shields to CMIII to Cobb, etc Ted signs his own at the 11th hour.
So that he's made no signings with Lacy, Cook, etc really shouldn't surprise anyone. The day before FA open is right around the time we should see contracts signed.
I agree though, whether it's Perry, Tretter, or TJ, Ted's going to end up overpaying one or more of those contracts. It's a great year to be a FA and it's also a schity draft for OL. Lang and Tretter are going to get big paydays.
For all you Davon House fans, he's available. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...jacksonville-jaguars
Walmart stores in Wisconsin have a sale on lighter fluid every March...
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Crash-Ka-Bong posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:Arodg wants FA's, don't you think Ted should, at the VERY least consider it??
I think there are reasonable concerns about the operations at 1265 Cough CAPERS cough, but really, he doesn't even consider free agents?
And for context sake, what GM is killing it right now with free agent moves?
Seriously, if I was an agent for some of these guys, and knowing how Ted operates and he called me to set up a visit for my client, I'd tell him "if you aren't going to be SERIOUS about signing my client, please don't waste our time".
1) Alienating 1 of the 32 potential employers is always a good way to keep your client employed.
2) Have fun telling your client, "Honest, playing for Jacksonville or Cleveland is really going to Jumpstart your career!"
3) Good thing you aren't an agent.
Hungry5 posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:You CANNOT win championships in the NFL with as many UDFAs the Packers have on the roster every year.
FWIW - Look at the 16 teams with winning records to see where they stand in terms of UDFA players on the roster, games played, and starts.
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Team On roster Games Starts Wins Seahawks 18 148 71 10 Texans 16 154 48 9 Giants 11 116 46 11 Packers 13 136 44 10 Steelers 9 101 44 11 Patriots 7 109 37 14 Buccaneers 13 124 36 9 Cowboys 12 137 34 13 Chiefs 11 99 29 12 Falcons 9 92 27 11 Washington 7 71 26 8 Broncos 12 112 24 9 Raiders 13 118 20 12 Titans 7 53 13 9 Dolphins 9 107 5 10 Lions 5 32 5 9
Hmm...you will notice, the Patriots, who won the Super Bowl, had about twice as few UDFA's as Ted did. The Pack had the 4th most starts on that list by UDFA. If you don't see that as a problem, I'm not sure what to tell you. I can almost 100% guarantee you, ted will NOT go out and get a CB to fix the secondary issues. He's intent that if Randall and everyone else stays healthy they will be fine back there. Great strategy Ted. Bouye would look so good in that secondary. Pretty sure Ted at least knows that, but for whatever reason, he gets shaky and breaks into cold sweats when it comes time to actually writing that check.
Henry posted:But they already won one. So there's that.
Yeah, but as soon as he won one the league burned the formula and insist that teams spend 100 gillion dollars on free agency or they refuse to award a title. FU Goodell.
So 6 out of the 11 teams with the most total UDFA starts are coincidentally the teams that have won 6 out of the last 7 SBs. There are a lot of correlations between why teams don't win SBs, I don't think how many UDFA's you have starting is one of them. Just ask Wes Welker, Adam Vinatieri, James Harrison, Kurt Warner, Joe Jacoby and many others as well as great Packers like Willie Wood, Donald Driver, Sam Shields, and others how useless UDFA's are to a championship run.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:You CANNOT win championships in the NFL with as many UDFAs the Packers have on the roster every year.
Hmm...you will notice, the Patriots, who won the Super Bowl, had about twice as few UDFA's as Ted did. The Pack had the 4th most starts on that list by UDFA. If you don't see that as a problem, I'm not sure what to tell you. I can almost 100% guarantee you, ted will NOT go out and get a CB to fix the secondary issues. He's intent that if Randall and everyone else stays healthy they will be fine back there. Great strategy Ted. Bouye would look so good in that secondary. Pretty sure Ted at least knows that, but for whatever reason, he gets shaky and breaks into cold sweats when it comes time to actually writing that check.
I agree to a point, and no one will accuse me of being a TT apologist, but the Patsies generally don't sign big-money free agents either. I like that they utilize more ways of acquiring players and fill in veteran depth, and I like Bouye well enough, but that's likely a pretty insane contract he'll get and I doubt any top team will get in on that bidding war.
I think QB, CB, DE/OLB and LT are places you almost need to draft your top-flight guys at because their FA value is so inflated. Bouye isn't Revis of a few years back. Signing a guy like House makes the most sense. He knows the system, he has size and speed, and he won't command loopy #1 free agent corner money. Is it sexy? No, but it's also not insane. A couple of other guys I wouldn't mind TT kicking the tires on would be John Simon, Barkevious Mingo (reclamation project) and Brandon Marshall.
The Patriots got good mileage out of Kyle Van Noy and Shea McClellin last year, for example. Those are the types of guys I think TT should go after more so when injuries hit, you have guys who know what the heck they're doing and can play, but I feel chasing all-pros in free agency is generally a fool's errand, especially at those premier positions.
When the season ended I was all in on trying to sign Bouye. Then I followed the corners at the combine. It really makes no sense to try and sign any of the FA corners based on the depth at corner in this draft. Ted should double up on DBs again. It's also another fine example that I'd suck as a GM.
For what it's worth GNGB. You do understand that if Ted did go out and sign Bouye the number of starts by UDFA's on the roster would increase. Do you see that as a problem?
UDFAs are a key component to many teams because if they turn out well you get contributors at the minimum salary for 3-4 years.
The Packers are great at unearthing some UDFA contributors (as are the Patriots). The problem I have is not that they rely on UDFA or their own draft picks, it's that they hang onto some of those types of guys after it's apparent they aren't good enough. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would guess Belichick is constantly turning over the bottom of his roster using the last 3-4 positions as a rotating tryout while we tend to hang onto guys like Bradford, Barclay, Hawkins, etc.
reports today are Patriots are talking to both Peterson and Brandon Marshall...
Reports today are that Ted is antique shopping in Door county.
GTOAT. Guaranteeing another Super Bowl. The season is over before the draft.
Hope Micah Hyde gets paid if they bring House back....
ChilliJon posted:Per Demovsky. Packers have reached out to Davon House about a possible return to Green Bay.
Unpossible
ChilliJon posted:Per Demovsky. Packers have reached out to Davon House about a possible return to Green Bay.
Makes lots of sense IF he can still play. May just be the veteran presence that is needed in the room. CB's look deep in this years draft and this sounds like a TT type move.
Grave Digger posted:So 6 out of the 11 teams with the most total UDFA starts are coincidentally the teams that have won 6 out of the last 7 SBs. There are a lot of correlations between why teams don't win SBs, I don't think how many UDFA's you have starting is one of them. Just ask Wes Welker, Adam Vinatieri, James Harrison, Kurt Warner, Joe Jacoby and many others as well as great Packers like Willie Wood, Donald Driver, Sam Shields, and others how useless UDFA's are to a championship run.
Correlation does not mean Causation.
The Super Bowl wins do not necessarily cause the UDFA's and the UDFA's don't cause the Super Bowl wins...but I bet that there are confounding variables (such as salary cap hits from Super Bowl stars that cause these teams to have to keep more UDFA's to stay under the cap or maybe a team that get's lucky on a number of UDFA's has more money to spend on signing legitimate stars.)
All I know is that UDFA's can be a good thing...if they prove to have what it takes. I don't want a team of all UDFA's who aren't any good.
Per WTMJ.COM, Packers Letroy Giuon suspended again.
4 games to start 2017.
Sigh.
For the second time in recent years, the NFL is suspending Packers defensive lineman Letroy Guion.
The team released an NFL statement saying that Guion is suspended without pay for the first four games of 2017. The suspension stems from violating league policy on performance enhancing substances.
He can take part in preseason and off-season activities and games.
Guion was suspended for part of 2015 after a weapons and drug arrest in Florida, after which he pleaded no contest.
He signed a three-year deal with the Packers in the 2016 offseason.
Likely the end of the line for Letroy. Need to get Kenny Clark on the field anyway.
#Packers NT Letroy Guion has been suspended the first four games of 2017 for violating league policy on performance enhancing substances.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) March 7, 2017
Adios Letroy...
packerboi posted:Guion was suspended for part of 2015 after a weapons and drug arrest in Florida, after which he pleaded no contest.He signed a three-year deal with the Packers in the 2016 offseason.
he played 449 snaps on the DL in 2016
The drug testing programs are hard on the Big Guys - they need a higher dose to achieve a therapeutic benefit, but they also store it longer than the skinny guys.
Makes it harder to manage the cycles and it takes longer to pee clean
Maybe Ted looks at suspension as an extra roster spot?
On the bright side, frees up $1.5 million more in cap space after they release him!!!
He's due for a 400k dollar roster bonus in like 11 days. If the Packers opt to not give him that, he becomes a FA.
Quite a costly and ill timed suspension Letroy.
RatPack posted:Maybe Ted looks at suspension as an extra roster spot?
Perhaps
They did a contract re-structure after they were informed of the failed test. Guion not quite dead yet, buys the Packers time to see how the draft and FA come together. Roster bonus wiped clean
Nice page tracking cap space and such...
ChilliJon posted:On the bright side, frees up $1.5 million more in cap space after they release him!!!
He'll have fresh legs for WK05!
Packers should just dump Guion. He had enough legal problems before getting to Green Bay and this is the second time he will be suspended as a member of the Packers. He can stuff the run but he brings a big fat zero as a pass-rusher. If the Packer re-sign Perry and either Peppers or Jones I think they can put off OLB for one more year and try to draft another rusher on the defensive line. Risky going with just Clark as a nose tackle but he was a first rounder so hopefully he can get the job done.
Restructuring
Part of the restructure will push offseason roster bonuses (one due this week, another in May) to after suspension. Will be finalized soon. https://t.co/qan73qCKDH
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) March 7, 2017
