Tavis Smiley posted:PackerJoe posted:On page 1 I had my prediction of what Thompson will do this off-season------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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You had to quote the whole thing to post that????
Is Bouye even the best corner on his own team? I like the guy but he excelled because the Texans probably have the best CB group this side of New England. That helps.
I think the other factor is what style of D the Packers want to play. They have two man cover guys in Rollins and Randall. However, they need a guy that can do both - man and zone. To that extent I'd rather they have a Kareem Jackson or Stephen Gilmore.
Hey Trader Ted, how much you want for Clay?
.@dallascowboys owner Jerry Jones is on the hunt for a premier pass rusher this offseason: https://t.co/EgRHgrtIkN pic.twitter.com/lhL8Op582h
â NFL (@NFL) February 13, 2017
Jerry doesn't have any cap space until he unloads Romo, and since nobody is gonna trade for Romo, Jerruh has to dump Romo...
Cutting him doesn't help a ton with $19M dead against only $5M freed up. It's in the best interest of the NFC that they not find a taker. If Dak gets a year better and Jaylon Smith is anywhere close to what he should be, that's a 12-win team even without that $24M to play with.
Don't mean **** when you don't win in the playoffs.
Hungry5 posted:Hey Trader Ted, how much you want for Clay?
.@dallascowboys owner Jerry Jones is on the hunt for a premier pass rusher this offseason: https://t.co/EgRHgrtIkN pic.twitter.com/lhL8Op582h
â NFL (@NFL) February 13, 2017
I see that Myles Garrett, the presumptive #1 pick in this year's draft, is lobbying Jones to trade Romo and a couple draft picks to Cleveland so the Cowboys can acquire him.
It's Eli Manning all over again... but, then again, it's Cleveland!
A couple of picks? Jacksonville's and Dallas'?
Sounds like Lang is gone.
That doesn't mean his agent hasn't had discussions though. I feel like we hear this "GB hasn't said anything" stuff every year, we hear it about our own FA's and we hear it about UFA's. After the fact we always find out that "GB offered X amount of money" or "GB inquired with UFA X", but none of that ever leaks out of 1265. Agents manipulate the media in all kinds of ways, maybe he hasn't told Lang there have been discussions. If it gets out that GB is trying to re-sign him, and Lang has expressed interest in re-signing, then other teams looking for Guards will start pursuing their next options. If it sounds like he's walking free then teams will actively pursue him.
Torn on this one. He may be the next Sitton with injuries and wear. OTOH, he's a rock in the line and can help the young guys. Maybe TT is waiting to see what others offer and then either make his move to resign or let him walk if it's too much $$$.
He says he wants to be in GB, so if GB offers him a competitive deal then I'm sure he would take it. If he leaves then it's because GB offered him lower than the market was dictating. Likely "a year too early vs. a year too late" situation if that happens.
TT doesn't budge with these negotiations it seems, when he has a value in his head for a player then he sticks to it. Unlike some GM's who are impulsive or panicked, Ted would rather throw a young player to the fire than make a bad financial investment. It's frustrating for those that want an immediate need filled with a proven player, but more often than not I think it ends up being the right decision in the long run.
Perhaps they feel good about moving Tretter to OG, or bringing Patrick Lucas along...or maybe Spriggs, though 6'6 is kind of tall for an OG, he did have some success there last year.
A Denver writer has published a list of what he thought were the top 100 free agents in the NFL.
I agree with most of it.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/n...97-b8ca-c817d7566b7a
Its interesting where he ranks our players.
Oh, and I predict a 4 game suspension for G-MO Allison for weed.
They could also bring back Barclay to compete, move Bulaga inside w/ Spriggs at RT, or use Murphy in there (though reports say they like him better at Tackle) or they could draft a mid-round guy.
impressive guesswork here. outta my league. All I can tell you prediction-wise is it was dumb to let Hayward go.
PackerJoe posted:Sounds like Lang is gone.
"sounds" nothing like that at all. Comprehension problem?
a - Aaron Nagler
b - no direct quotes from Lang to Nagler
c - no direct quotes from Lang's agent to Nagler
d - Lang is technically still under contract
e - Aaron Nagler
f - "The Packers still very well could reach out to Lang's representatives closer to the start of free agency."
PackerPatrick posted:A Denver writer has published a list of what he thought were the top 100 free agents in the NFL.
I agree with most of it.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/n...97-b8ca-c817d7566b7a
Its interesting where he ranks our players.
Micah "Racist" Hyde at #83? I think he should be ranked a bit higher than that. He's not flashy, not super fast, but steady and can be used in many spots. That alone adds value.
This guy rated him No.1.
PackFoo posted:or maybe Spriggs, though 6'6 is kind of tall for an OG, he did have some success there last year.
Only if the definition of success is getting obliterated about 50% of the time. Guion probably could have done a better job playing guard if he had been given more of an opportunity.
Getting obliterated about 50% of the time would not be the definition of success. I checked multiple sources, obliterate or obliterated were never referenced in the definitions of success.
Spriggs did have success at OG this past season.
Hungry5 posted:PackerJoe posted:Sounds like Lang is gone.
"sounds" nothing like that at all. Comprehension problem?
f - "The Packers still very well could reach out to Lang's representatives closer to the start of free agency."
Also good to point out that the Packers tend to sign their own damn near at the stroke of midnight before FA begins. IIRC that was the case of Cobb and Sam Shields.
Ted moves at Ted's speed. And I don't see much changing this season either.
Can't wait to trade out of the first round just to mess with you guys.
â Ted Thompson's Mind (@ThompsonsMind) January 27, 2017
Don't worry guys. Help is on the way. Got my eye on a 6th round ILB from Bethune-Cookman.
â Ted Thompson's Mind (@ThompsonsMind) January 24, 2017
Trading up in the first round would really mess with my mind
Lang had foot and hip surgery a couple of weeks ago
I wonder if a team would wanna wait to see how rehab went before talking about a new deal ?
"------------ sign Free Agent Pro Bowl Guard TJ Lang"
You overpay a couple million to get the fan base excited you're all in!!!! The Vikings built a new stadium selling "off season" hope.
It would be fascinating to see what a team recovers financially by signing a top free agent. I'm sure it's a lucrative business venture if wins and losses aren't included in the equation.
Satori posted:Lang had foot and hip surgery a couple of weeks ago
I wonder if a team would wanna wait to see how rehab went before talking about a new deal ?
Radical notion.
Ted, get this guy.
Strengths:
More... from his combine reports.
able to defy the perception that taller skill players don't have the footwork and agility that shorter players do... will thrive initially within a zone scheme, where he can use his burst and length to cover ground and remain active in plays. He is so talented athletically that he could likely be tested early on an island in man coverage and excel, and he possesses the confidence and field presence necessary to take on such a task.
He's 6'2". Some would say he was mis-used in the scheme.
Breakdown of Shields's numbers for 2017.
2017
Cash value: $9 million
Salary-cap charge: $12.125 million
Base salary: $8 million
Roster bonus: $500,000 ($31,250 per game active)
Workout bonus: $500,000
I don't get the Spriggs and Tretter at guard thinking. We run a Zone Blocking scheme. I believe that better suits the big lard butt's better. I see guys we already have on backup roster better suited for it in the long run. And/or maybe a draft pick in the mid rounds. I think Lindsay may have regressed a bit and I do see Tretter as the better center but he might be injury prone. Of course both Spriggs and Tretter can play guard in a pinch but seem better suited to the tackle position. Now, we may move away from the Zone Blocking scheme when/if we move away from Lacy type power back's. But for now I predict we let Lang and Tretter go and draft a guard who may have some experience at tackle but best suited to guard at GB. That would leave Barkley as the backup center. yah, I know.
Yet, that gives TT more cap money to spend elsewhere.
Actually taller, leaner guys like Spriggs and Tretter are BETTER suited to the ZBS. That blocking scheme favors more athletic technicians who can get to the second level fast. Power Man Blocking schemes favor big road graders, like in Dallas. We don't run a pure zone blocking scheme all the time though, it's more of hybrid scheme with both concepts that is ultimately more focused on pass protection than run blocking.
TT and Guards
Marco Rivera - All-Pro Packer guard, 33 years old - signs with Cowboys in 2005 - 4 year contract - 20 million (9 million guaranteed - the most for a guard ever at that point). Plays two injury plagued years.
Mike Wahle - All-Pro Packer guard, 28 years old - signs with Panthers in 2005. Made the Pro Bowl in 2005 but was cut less than two years later.
Josh Sitton - All-Pro Packer guard - 30 years old - due 8 million in 2016 - cut at end of training camp.
TJ Lang- All-Pro Packer guard - soon to be 30 years old.
TT and Tackles
Chad Clifton - LT - Packers extend him in 2010 at 34 years old for 3 years and 21 million.
David Bakhtiari -LT - only 25 and Packers extend him 4 years.
My guess is that TT will let Lang walk. Like Rivera, Wahle, and Sitton we should wish him well and let someone else pay him his retirement enhancement package. You know someone will - maybe the Bears will pair him with Sitton again. TT has shown he's willing to pay good NFL tackles big bucks even when they get older. He has a track record of letting guards walk.
Wahle and Rivera were casualties of the gut rehab TT had to make that offseason. And it sounds like there was some behind the scenes stuff with Sitton, in addition to having a perfectly competent replacement in place.
I can easily see him letting Lang walk, but I don't know that its apples to apples with these examples.
Sitton 21.75 million, 10 guaranteed to play 10 games this year. Was Ted rong?
I agree with many here that TT works at his own speed and I do appreciate that because he isn't impulsive and doesn't over react like many GM's do. And I bet he drives agents nuts sometimes.
All I know is that I wouldn't want to play poker against TT.
Wahle started all 16 games his final (3rd) year in Carolina and played through injury. He moved on to Seattle for a year after that also. He was salary purge as TT gutted the team, as IPF pointed out.
Grave Digger posted:Actually taller, leaner guys like Spriggs and Tretter are BETTER suited to the ZBS. That blocking scheme favors more athletic technicians who can get to the second level fast. Power Man Blocking schemes favor big road graders, like in Dallas. We don't run a pure zone blocking scheme all the time though, it's more of hybrid scheme with both concepts that is ultimately more focused on pass protection than run blocking.
Thanks for the clarification. So, we ran a blocking scheme better suited to Monty when we actually had Lacy at RB? But I can see the need for pass blockers over run blockers. It also explains the value of big bull rushing nose tackles that can walk a center back and why Lindsay was better holding his own against it and why Tretter was better at the next level in run blocking. Thanks GD!
