So do people here think Billicheck was stupid for dishing out 14 mill a year for Stephon Gilmore?? I bet they don't. Yet, if Ted did that, you would all think it was a terrible move because he spent so much money on one player. Pretty sure Billicheck knows what the hell he's doing.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Henry posted:So you think Randall and Rollins careers are over? Complete failures? Can't be redeemed or bounce back especially after a season of injuries?
You sound just like Ted!! Not saying that, but what if they don't and the secondary is a disaster again?? Wouldn't it be nice to have at least ONE guy back there you are pretty certain you can count on(Like Shields was when he was healthy)?? That way if Randall and Rollins do bounce back, it's just all that much better. It's hedging your bet.
It's March 9th.
For ****s sake man, deal with it,
The real issue is Dom Capers sucks. Get with the program
GreenNgoldBlood posted:So do people here think Billicheck was stupid for dishing out 14 mill a year for Stephon Gilmore?? I bet they don't. Yet, if Ted did that, you would all think it was a terrible move because he spent so much money on one player. Pretty sure Billicheck knows what the hell he's doing.
Yes, we would all be dismayed at his lack of fiscal restraint. I'm pretty sure Kiel is enabling TT. I heard TT picked up a box wine habit abandoning Bud Light on the rocks.
14MM for Gilmore
not sure it's "stoopid" but honestly Gilmore wasn't a sure thing and that's a lot of jack
But don't worry you all on the BB nutsack
Packers suck we lose the free agent playoffs!
Henry posted:GreenNgoldBlood posted:So do people here think Billicheck was stupid for dishing out 14 mill a year for Stephon Gilmore?? I bet they don't. Yet, if Ted did that, you would all think it was a terrible move because he spent so much money on one player. Pretty sure Billicheck knows what the hell he's doing.
Yes, we would all be dismayed at his lack of fiscal restraint. I'm pretty sure Kiel is enabling TT. I heard TT picked up a box wine habit abandoning Bud Light on the rocks.
In addition TT would probably admit that he used a smart phone for years but it hasn't made him any smarter.
BB pays Gilmore 14 mill/yr, and that gets him down to roughly where GB starts cap space wise in FA. I will join those who wonder if Gilmore is worth it. And besides, we don't know how the contract is structured. Balancing the money are probably some outs for NE if Gilmore's play doesn't match the money.
I don't get the Barclay deal at all. If you are giving an OL $1.3 million for one year with no threat of losing him and he's been on the roster 5 years you have to do better. Period. It's starting to stink of charity.
If you don't think the idea of the Packers starting CBs next year being Randall and Rollins is concerning, you're fuc*king stupid. Absolutely nothing about their play at any point, healthy or not, would indicate they're ready to hold down two of the most important positions on the field for 2017.
Adding rookies won't improve that concern. There's no Woodson to balance things. No Collins, either.
Not getting a starting CB via FA this year is (would be) a horrific mistake.
Crash-Ka-Bong posted:The real issue is Dom Capers sucks. Get with the program
The very reason Thompson does not shell out big $$ for defensive FAs.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Still have no clue why Cook hasn't been re-signed yet.
Just a guess, and I have no inside info, but it's likely they have not agreed on the contract structure just yet. I'm betting there's a deal by close of business tomorrow.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:So do people here think Billicheck was stupid for dishing out 14 mill a year for Stephon Gilmore?? I bet they don't. Yet, if Ted did that, you would all think it was a terrible move because he spent so much money on one player. Pretty sure Billicheck knows what the hell he's doing.
Stupid money. Per Schefter, Gilmore's deal is worth $65 million over the next five years with $40 million guaranteed. Likely front loaded since NEP had a lot of space. That kind of deal only 4 or 5 other teams could have offered this off-season.
This deal, if front loaded as expected, would have significantly limited the Packers from other options.
Lambeau Lobo posted:#Packers are bringing back G/C Don Barclay on a 1-year deal worth up to $1.3 million. Barclay is now the backup center with Tretter gone.
Fantastic. Thanks, TT.
I don't get it. Why in the world do we keep employing such an inept player? And he'll be our backup center? Oh, crap I can see the bad snaps now.
Your backup center isn't losing you games.
ChilliJon posted:I don't get the Barclay deal at all. If you are giving an OL $1.3 million for one year with no threat of losing him and he's been on the roster 5 years you have to do better. Period. It's starting to stink of charity.
I have to think there are at least 10 guys with his skill level available right now for less money. The 500k difference isn't going to break us, but why bother?
Please don't say knowledge of the offense. The guy is a freaking turnstile, knowing the protection doesn't prevent 2 sec sacks in his case.
Sigh.
Packerchatters featuring Patty.
To the "it's not your money" guy. By seasons end most will be spent. Again, seasons end, not Free Agency end.
He will try and lock up one or more of the following soon to be FA's... Burnett, Adams, Taylor, Linsley.
After all these years, you're still getting your panties in a bunch on Day 1? Trust me, I wish he was willing to take a chance and placed less value on the comp picks. He doesn't, it is what it is. Don't act all suprised and outraged that for the 12th year in a row TT didn't splash on day 1.
Blair Kiel posted:Does anybody here think they know 12% of what Ted Thompson knows about football?
Anybody?
Bueller?
Greengold bold?
I don't compare myself to Thompson. I compare Thompson to other GM's based on the performance of the team. Is it fair to assume you approve the defense fielded the past several years? It's not an accident or bad luck that we repeatably end the season in the form of defensive meltdown. You notion that we are not GM's and thus cannot criticize TT is absurd.
Blair Kiel posted:What do you do for a living?
Why aren't you the Packers GM?
This is a cowardly argument
Blair Kiel posted:FTW pored through the record books (kidding; what are books?) and tallied up the number of regular season wins and playoff appearances over the past 10 years to determine which teams have been the most and least successful over the last decade. The best teams won’t be a surprise — hint, hint: (sound of deflation) — but there are plenty other surprises to be found in our list of 1 to 32.
1. New England Patriots — 122 wins (9 playoff appearances, 1st in AFC East)
2. Indianapolis Colts — 110 wins (9, 1st)
3. Pittsburgh Steelers — 101 wins (6, 1st)
4. Green Bay Packers — 98 wins (7, 1st)
5. San Diego Chargers — 97 wins (5, 1st)
How do teams rank getting ousted from playoffs due to defensive meltdowns while having the NFL's most talented QB watch in misery year over year? How many times have teams had successive all-world QB's lead their organization? Our defense has been awful for some time now - as I always say, it's either talent or coaching and TT owns both of those conditions.
The Packers didn't contact Hyde with an offer. I'm anxious to see the wizardry of TT's plans for the secondary, especially given that Capers brilliance is in his complex defenses, which are difficult to grasp as a rookie. Admittedly, I'm no GM (for BK), so I'll just remain perplexed and hope for the best.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Henry posted:So you think Randall and Rollins careers are over? Complete failures? Can't be redeemed or bounce back especially after a season of injuries?
You sound just like Ted!! Not saying that, but what if they don't and the secondary is a disaster again?? Wouldn't it be nice to have at least ONE guy back there you are pretty certain you can count on(Like Shields was when he was healthy)?? That way if Randall and Rollins do bounce back, it's just all that much better. It's hedging your bet.
What if the guy you sign is a bust. Will you get the $15 million per year back? Which one of your future free agents will you lose because you chose to pay this guy?
Music City posted:If you don't think the idea of the Packers starting CBs next year being Randall and Rollins is concerning, you're fuc*king stupid. Absolutely nothing about their play at any point, healthy or not, would indicate they're ready to hold down two of the most important positions on the field for 2017.
Adding rookies won't improve that concern. There's no Woodson to balance things. No Collins, either.
Not getting a starting CB via FA this year is (would be) a horrific mistake.
Except Randall played solid ball as a rookie. So there's that.
FWIW, chatter on local radio with guys like Tom Silverstein/Wilde are hearing that the "visits" Eddie, Jared, and maybe TJ have set up are essentially their agents trying to get the Packers to move a little faster in getting them signed.
It doesn't appear Lacy, for example, is all that bent on leaving and running behind those disasters of an OL. Nor does Jared want to go back to no playoffs and no HOF QB to throw to (#Bills). The agents for these players get paid too.
So if they can try and make Ted and/or Russ Ball a little more nervous and perhaps get a few 100K more out of GB, that translates to more money for them as well.
Anyway, something to think about before some on here resume their panic attacks.
Barclay is the much cheaper version of A J Hawk. We should all be happy.
Hyde was a huge special team player with ability to plug on defense while making his share of big plays. Good football player. We need to find the next one at that price.
What was the longest stretch of games started by Tretter?
Thank you Uncle Ted on Perry. Please get the best TE to play with A-Rod home next.
bigdoggyjude posted:I don't compare myself to Thompson. I compare Thompson to other GM's based on the performance of the team. Is it fair to assume you approve the defense fielded the past several years? It's not an accident or bad luck that we repeatably end the season in the form of defensive meltdown. You notion that we are not GM's and thus cannot criticize TT is absurd.
Success is measure in wins, not perceived quality. As has been pointed out, the Packers are among the most successful teams in the league during Ted's time in GB. Ted has been compared to his peers and recognized as executive of the year multiple times. He brought in a HOF QB and one of the top coaches in Packers history in the same year when the rest of the league seemed to discount both. He fields SB contenders every year and does it while responsibly managing the salary cap. No he's not above criticism, but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt especially when free agency has basically barely begun.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Believe me, I wish I was...things would look A LOT different at 1265 as far as personnel after today I will tell you that. There'd be players I signed that would have gotten ANYONE excited about the direction of the team. Specifically the defense.
So you spray tan?
RatPack posted:Barclay is the much cheaper version of A J Hawk. We should all be happy.
So Barclay can play LB too?
At least as bad as AJ did.
YATittle posted:
Silverstein said yesterday GB had no interest primarily due to speed. Bottom line, they need to get much faster in the secondary. And that's not Micah.
bigdoggyjude posted:The Packers didn't contact Hyde with an offer. I'm anxious to see the wizardry of TT's plans for the secondary, especially given that Capers brilliance is in his complex defenses, which are difficult to grasp as a rookie. Admittedly, I'm no GM (for BK), so I'll just remain perplexed and hope for the best.
Yeah, don't get your hopes up on the future of our secondary, but after the Bills contract offer to Hyde you can see why TT didn't bother with an offer. The Packers are really good at reading the market.
Player contracts should be based on pure market economics, not on desperation. If you pay a player 10+ million a year, that guy better be a star or it will hurt your team for years to come. First round busts hurt, but not nearly as much as shiny, expensive free agent busts.
Our secondary might not be great next year(it won't be), but why screw up the rest of the team by acting out of desperation and filling those positions with a shot in the dark signing.
according to Schefter. Contract talks between Jared Cook and GB have broken off. He's going to visit other teams.
I still think he signs in GB
Bad, bad news on Cook. I think it would have been a good idea to overpay to keep Cook. Market value seems to be around 5 - 5.5 million dollars, I'd have no problem with bumping it up to 7 million. That's not a huge commitment for a guy who could be a real difference maker on offense.
But Thompson would probably be perfectly content to let him go. He spent that third round pick on Richard Rodgers and likely has full confidence that this will be his breakout year.
it's all cat and mouse, relax.
and even if it isn't, can't stop Cook from chasing the money, but you can offer him success.
It appears this is a typical "we really don't think someone will pay you what you're asking. But we'll let you go ask" from GB.
I could see the Lions overpaying him. They've likely seen enough of Ebron. I still think this all ends up with Cook in GB between $6 and $7 million per.