Official 2016 NFL Draft Thread

CUPackFan posted:

I hope you're kidding, Old School.   Link

"A second witness “observed Alsaleh on his phone and 2 white males were arguing with him.” The witness “said that one of the white males began saying racial slurs towards Alsaleh such as ‘(expletive) ISIS’ and ‘White Power’ and something like, ‘This isn’t your (Alsaleh’s) country.’ “ 

Yeah, nothing xenophobic about that.......

In Kentucky that is pretty genteel stuff. I bet his daddy whupped his ass when he got home for flirting with that Aye-rab.

I sure hope I don't draw myself into the "phobia discussion", but, to me, who said what to whom and all that secondary bullcrap doesn't really matter.
What does matter is yet another person has learned the important things in life are to respond to confrontation with violence, and that the #1 goal in life is to make sure you have legit street cred. Not to mention being a drunk asshole. 
Seriously, is this as high a standard they can set for themselves?

This is what athletic scholarships are producing more often nowadays. 
Of course, this is a problem in our population at large, and schools likely reflect the same trends in their enrollments. But when the stakes are for (potential) lifetime financial security and the benefits to family and community, athletes are in a different spotlight. Maybe, just maybe, they need to spend an hour less learning a formation or pattern, and spend an hour more learning how to be a decent human being.

JMO; others may vary.

Packers bringing in UCLA wide receiver Devin Fuller for a visit.  Most productive season as a receiver was 2014 when he caught 59 passes for 447 yards (7.6 average) and 1 touchdown.  Also returns kickoffs and punts.  Not really considered much of a prospect until he ran a 4.39 40 yard dash at UCLA's pro day.

oldschool posted:Now I know this whole story is bogus..wrapped in Social Justice Warrior bull****.

 

So you go right to using the term coined by ignorant, entitled bigots who can't handle reality not matching their worldview. 

I mean, there's nothing showing you're a more level-headed guy than going straight for the "justification" used for harassing women and minorities. 

Hey hey!  Only 2 more weeks to the draft!

PFF on Darron Lee, Deion Jones and Antonio Morrison.  I know PFF isn't for everyone but since we've been discussing a few of these prospects, figured it was relevant.  This is a pretty consistent take on Lee, that he makes some incredible plays but doesn't have the consistency you need from an every down LB.  That doesn't make him undraftable, but no what you want in the first round.  I don't know much about Deion Jones but he sounds more like a late round pick. 

Also, 3 LB sleepers from PFF

Herschel posted:

oldschool posted:Now I know this whole story is bogus..wrapped in Social Justice Warrior bull****.

 

So you go right to using the term coined by ignorant, entitled bigots who can't handle reality not matching their worldview. 

I mean, there's nothing showing you're a more level-headed guy than going straight for the "justification" used for harassing women and minorities. 

Your argument is so weak you clipped my quote to provide it out of context on purpose.

Man is your cognitive dissonance showing.

Here is what I actually said...in full context:

Oh Christ...somebody gets in a fight and we start labeling him "xenophobic".

Now I know this whole story is bogus..wrapped in Social Justice Warrior bull****.

So in other words...you go right to the same misleading tactics used in the article to jump to judgement without all the facts and try to frame somebody as a bigot just because they disagree with you.

Which by the way makes you a practicing bigot for doing it to me.

What a pussy move. Wear it with pride...it fits you.

You throw out bigoted terms and don't expect to get called on it? Put away your victim card, you whiny little bitch and man-up. The world isn't going to end because you can't treat minorities and women like crap. 

I'm not even saying who did what that lead to the fight, I'm calling out brazen bigotry in your words. 

Lee seems a guy the Vikings would grab if he's there as a replacement for Chad Greenway. 

He's definitely high upside.  A lot of scouting analysis I've read says they wish he would have stayed in school 1 more year to get some more experience.  Of course, you run that fast at that size for a big program, hard to pass on the millions of guaranteed money.  He could turn into a stud but I'm not a fan of taking boom or bust guys in the first.  He gets compared to Shazier but I think that's only b/c of their speed and OSU.  

Yeah I never saw the Ryan Shazier comparisons at all. Shazier was a much better football player and much more aggressive. It's always hard to tell on a defense made up star players who is making who better, but Lee had a lot more opportunities to make plays than most players in college. When he's the primary guy taking OL as a 34 ILB and isn't free to fly around untouched, will he still be as effective? 

Going to be interesting to see what TT thinks of these guys, since in the end that is all that matters. 

Xenophobic Social Justice Warrior Nut Sucking Tripe is the name of my brother's band, but the go by Nickleback for short

Dom Capers probably likes Nickleback...

Ad Hominem Panda Man Love is the best band name ever born out of these pegboards. 

Böhringer!

German receiver Böhringer visits with Packers

The Green Bay Packers have boarded the Moritz Böhringer hype train.

The Packers hosted the intriguing German receiving prospect on a visit last week. In addition to Green Bay, Böhringer told NFL.com that he has met with Kansas City, Minnesota and Los Angeles with upcoming visits planned in Seattle, New Orleans, Atlanta and Carolina.

Böhringer, 22, has become a pre-draft darling following an impressive pro day at Florida Atlantic University on March 31. The 6-foot-4, 227-pound receiver clocked a 4.43-second time in the 40-yard dash with a 39-inch vertical, 10-foot-11 broad jump, 6.65 time in the three-cone drill and 17 bench reps of 225 pounds.

His numbers closely mirror what Packers third-year Jeff Janis posted at the NFL scouting combine in 2014. The Saginaw Valley State standout ran a 4.42 time in the 40 with a 37½ vertical, 10-1 broad jump, 6.64 time in the three-cone drill and 20 bench press reps. It was enough for the Packers to draft him in the seventh round (236th overall).

Böhringer, who began playing football five years ago, told NFL.com his passion for the game came from watching YouTube videos of Vikings running back Adrian Peterson. He was the German Football League rookie of the year in 2015 after catching 59 passes for 1,232 yards and 13 touchdowns in 16 games for the Schwäbisch Hall Unicorns.

Despite the prodigious size and measurables, Böhringer likely faces a steep transition to the NFL. One personnel executive told ESPN.com last week that Böhringer could require at least a year on a practice squad to catch up to speed on the game and level of competition. Another said the GFL, which allows only two American roster exemptions, is comparable to the competition at the Canadian college level.

Seventy players born in Germany have played at least one regular-season game in the NFL, according to Pro Football Reference. If Böhringer gets drafted, he’d be the first German-born player to get taken without playing collegiate football in the United States. Otherwise, he'll likely be a coveted undrafted free agent given his makeup.

The Packers know how difficult it is to develop a prospect from a lower tier of competition after drafting Janis out of the NCAA Division II ranks two years ago. While he’s developed into a solid special-teamer, Janis remains a work in progress as a receiver.

He broke out for seven catches for 145 yards and two touchdowns in the Packers’ 26-20 playoff loss to Arizona in January, but has only four catches for 95 yards in 19 regular-season contests.

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...ts-packers/82953630/

The German Janis!

Actually, this kid's frame might support bulking up into move TE/H back size (borrowing ChilliJon's old suggestion about Janis!).

More here, including video embeds.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...f24214229-sf24214229

Dum Dum McCarthy wouldn't know what to do with him. He probably wouldn't send him on go routes every single play in fact he probably wouldn't even play him immediately out of stubbornness. 

Herr Moritz . Sie können einen verdammten go Route laufen? mit dem PI- Spiel sind Sie vertraut?

Disagree

If they throw 25 pounds on him & he can block, we might have our dual or triple TE threat. 

Provided we get him.

If Jeff Janis speaks fluent German this thread is better than the going for 2 thread. 

Janis! seems more like a sprechen sie hillbilly guy.

He played for the Unicorns.  This **** writes itself.

I heard from Satan. He's requesting I push TT toward a stud DL with pick #27.

I agree with Satan.

once again, I agree with satan.  is that wrong?  cuz it feels so right...

"I ain't down with no dude from a country that bombed Pearl Harbor"

Adrian Peterson

I'm down with any player that can help us win #14.

Going for zwei aint got no ring to it...on the other hand German dummy calls will be fantastic.

How do you say...." 3-19 Hitler only had one ball ...hut hut in German ?

ChilliJon posted:

Herr Moritz . Sie können einen verdammten go Route laufen? mit dem PI- Spiel sind Sie vertraut?

Ja, Ausgezeichnet!

oldschool posted:

Going for zwei aint got no ring to it...on the other hand German dummy calls will be fantastic.

How do you say...." 3-19 Hitler only had one ball ...hut hut in German ?

Herr furher hast nur ein testacle...hut hut   ?

My German is rusty

Die Bären noch saugen!

The Bears still suck!

PackerPatrick posted:

oldschool posted:

Going for zwei aint got no ring to it...on the other hand German dummy calls will be fantastic.

How do you say...." 3-19 Hitler only had one ball ...hut hut in German ?

Herr furher hast nur ein testacle...hut hut   ?

My German is rusty

Doesn't matter...that's perfect.

Somebody tweet it to Yoko...and it will be a done deal.

All About That Value

ROUND 1

Jaylon Smith/LB/Notre Dame

6’2”/223 lbs.

-Top 5 talent that will need a redshirt year to rehab his knee. TT won’t be able to pass up that kind of extreme value even at the cost of getting zero production in year 1. I look at Smith in the same mold as Clay, very versatile, but ultimately his best fit is rushing off the edge and using his athleticism to terrorize the QB. This may be a gamble with Smith’s injury, but we have seen players like Willis McGahee come back strong from similar injuries.

ROUND 2

Sterling Shepard/WR/Oklahoma

5’10”/195 lbs.

-Why draft a receiver when we are 5 deep with WRs? Sounds like the same thing said when Cobb was drafted in 2011. Jordy is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off a knee injury, Adams seems to be struggling, Monty is coming off injury, and the two at the bottom have either struggled with injuries or inconsistency. Shepard is fantastic Slot Receiver who runs crisp routes, catches cleanly, and knows how to get open. He can also be a factor in the return game.

ROUND 3

Paul Perkins/RB/UCLA

5’10”/196 lbs.

-Perkins is an undersized change of pace back who doesn’t necessarily have ideal measurements, but he plays a lot stronger (led the nation in broken tackles) and just produces (close to 3,000 yards last 2 seasons). He contributes in the passing game as well (50+ rec., 400+ yds. Last 2 years) and he competes in pass pro.

ROUND 4
Joe Schobert/LB/Wisconsin

6’1”/245 lbs.

-Highly instinctive with a high motor player who is constantly attacking the football. Very slippery as an edge rusher and wins with quickness, technique and effort. I see him as primarily an ILB in the mold of Sean Lee who will be a steady/reliable, productive presence, but probably won’t ever be a superstar.

ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)

Scooby Wright/ILB/Arizona

6’1”/247 lbs.

-Classic case of a player whose workout numbers don’t match his on-field numbers. Struggled in workouts this offseason, but the instincts definitely show up on tape. I wasn’t sold on him earlier, especially not in the early rounds, but if he slips to the mid-rounds then this is a no-brainer. He’s highly instinctive, high motor, hard hitting, everything you want in a LB except he doesn’t have the speed. Probably a two down LB at this point, but he instantly gives a boost to the run D.

ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)

Evan Boehm/C/Missouri

6’2”/310 lbs.

-Versatile and reliable interior OL who has the combination of smarts, attitude, and power to be a starting interior OL. GB will be having voids to fill in the interior OL and this guy looks like he could step in Day 1 and compete for a starting job.

ROUND 5

Kalan Reed/CB/Southern Miss

5’11”/192 lbs.

-I’m not convinced he lasts this long, but he seems to be really underrated at this point. Reed is a really exciting, instinctive, ball hawking cover CB who I think actually compares to Nick Collins in a lot of ways. He has 4.38 speed and if he puts on some muscle I think he could be a really good cover Safety to pair with HaHa for the future. If not then Reed will be a really good outside or Nickle CB.  

ROUND 6

Quinton Jefferson/DL/Maryland

6’4”/291 lbs.

-Big body who flashes great penetrating skills at the 3-tech spot. Very inconsistent though and has some injury history. If he stays healthy and gets some good coaching, he could be a really good rotational guy with Johnny Jolly type upside.

ROUND 7

Clay Debord/OT/Eastern Washington

6’6”/305 lbs.

-Interesting developmental prospect from a small school. Has the size and athleticism to hang in the NFL, but will need a lot of technique work. Good, experienced (51 straight games), productive battler who dominated his level of competition.

Your draft seems light on OL and DL....

Some teams have Smith off their board due to possible nerve damage.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...s-multiple-nfl-teams

(GD's latest mock) All justifiable but I don't see TT not taking a DL in the first 3 swings.  There will be a lot of upper tier value there in a deep DL draft.

Smith is suppose to have a major checkup tomorrow that will have a lot to say about how far he might fall.

All about value, TT has shown he will pass on a need if 1) the player on top of his board is a big value and 2) if he thinks he can address that positional need later. He will have to overdraft a little to get a DL, which I'm not convinced is something he will do. There's a lot of guys who are shooting up boards that are likely gone before 27 (Reed, Butler, Rankins, Robinson) and then a lot of guys who are probably more likely early/mid round 2 value (Billings, Bullard, Clark, Johnson). I'm guessing he probably took guys like Nkemdiche and Washington off is board for character concerns also. The only two DL I could see him looking at as value picks are Chris Jones and Sheldon Day in r3. If you take any of those guys at 27 your over-drafting in my opinion.  

I see TT picking  DL in both the first and second rounds. Deep draft for DL this year and we have to get the big guys while we can. TT may even go DL in one of the later rounds, too.

I am hoping for 2 d-lineman in rounds 2-5 who are not "reaches".