That's a terrible trade unless New England also sends their third w/ Green Bay tossing in their fourth.
Too good of a trade to be true from the Patriots end of it. Packers would be getting robbed blind in a deal like that.
Robbed blind? Hardly.
TT usually takes less "perceived value' (from the fans POV) in these deals.
I think this draft is very weak
Today's LA Times has Ragland going to the Redskins, us taking OLB Darron Lee from Ohio State with Hunter Henry not going at all in the first round.
Darron Lee will definitely be in the mix for Green Bay if he's available. I still think chances are better than 50/50 that he's off the board when the Packers pick.
Hunter Henry still carries the late first/early second grade, but teams picking at the end of round one aren't looking for tight ends so it's very likely he winds up in round two. Chargers at #35 is probably the highest Henry can expect to go.
There still seems to be some pretty decent possibilities for Ragland in round one. The Raiders big need is offensive tackle but there is a good chance the top three (Tunsil, Stanley, Conklin) are off the board and IMO #14 is too high for the next tier of OTs. Ragland could be a good fallback option for them. The Lions, Falcons or the Bengals could take him. A team like the Bengals have a linebacker need...not necessarily a big need at ILB...but they tend to like the aggressive, physical linebackers over the "athletes" so Ragland is a guy that they might really like. If he does make it to the Packers I tend to think that Thompson will pass.
@TomSilverstein: #Temple WR Robby Anderson (6-3, 190) is visiting #Packers. At pro day, ran 4.3 in 40, had 36.5 vertical. Led team in catches, yards, TDs.
Anderson once left Temple, then came back, then flunked out, then came back again. No questioning his talent but hard to tell where his head is at.
Undrafted free agent?
7th round pick?
TT will take him in the 4th & everyone will be crying about the "reach"
And then he'll send Janis! to the street, and ultimately to the Vikings.
YATittle posted:Undrafted free agent?
7th round pick?
Thompson is probably looking at Anderson as a free agent.
Janis will be the Vikings next great signing. Bad aim throwing to a bad route.
PackerJoe posted:Darron Lee will definitely be in the mix for Green Bay if he's available. I still think chances are better than 50/50 that he's off the board when the Packers pick.
Like 45/55? 40/60? 48/52? Don't leave us hanging.
Are there better chances than 50/50? If chances are better than 50/50 are they really 50/50?
78% of all statistics are 43% inaccurate
I'm not a big Darron Lee fan. He had that 4.4 forty but nothing else really jumps out as first rounder. And he's undersized 220 lbs. I'd really prefer a DL - I think TT could get a damn good one at #27.
17.4% of all statistics are made on the spot.
IMO, Darron Lee will be taken prior to #27.
CUPackFan posted:I'm not a big Darron Lee fan. He had that 4.4 forty but nothing else really jumps out as first rounder. And he's undersized 220 lbs. I'd really prefer a DL - I think TT could get a damn good one at #27.
I took by O$U loving wife to a local autograph show with former O$U players in attendance and Darron Lee was there. I am not sure how he is listed at 220 and he is definitely the smallest 220lb guy I have ever seen. I honestly thought he was a safety until I saw his name.
Miserable tight end class just got even worse:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mo...draft-2016-tight-end
Now I'm even happier times two that Thompson signed Cook.
Yeah I don't think Lee will make it to 27. A defensive coach, I'm guessing Dan Quinn, will fall in love with his athleticism and believe they can make him in to legit LB.
One guy I think would be a really interesting fit in r2 is LSU ILB Deion Jones. Much like Lee he's only around a 220 lbs., but unlike Lee I think Jones has the instincts and mentality of a true ILB (I think Lee is a better fit as a WLB in a 43). He ran 4.59 at the combine and reportedly ran 4.39 at his pro day(1.52 10 yd split also!). Bulk him to 230/235 and I think he would be a really good ILB in GB...he has the instincts and attitude to be effective against the run and the athleticism to cover TEs.
I don't like Day in the Third (I think better dlineman will still be available)
A lot of fans would be happy with those first two rounds.
PackerJoe posted:Miserable tight end class just got even worse:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mo...draft-2016-tight-end
Now I'm even happier times two that Thompson signed Cook.
Wow just read the detailed report on this. It's bad, really bad. Sounds like he punched out a middle eastern student who was being "creepy". He ran from the scene, hid from the cops, then denied even being at that bar. The victim is unresponsive with brain bleeding and reports say that Higbee was saying some pretty racist and xenophobic stuff. I'm sure more facts will come out but I don't see any way that this guy is draftable after this.
CUPackFan posted:PackerJoe posted:Miserable tight end class just got even worse:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mo...draft-2016-tight-end
Now I'm even happier times two that Thompson signed Cook.
Wow just read the detailed report on this. It's bad, really bad. Sounds like he punched out a middle eastern student who was being "creepy". He ran from the scene, hid from the cops, then denied even being at that bar. The victim is unresponsive with brain bleeding and reports say that Higbee was saying some pretty racist and xenophobic stuff. I'm sure more facts will come out but I don't see any way that this guy is draftable after this.
Oh Christ...somebody gets in a fight and we start labeling him "xenophobic".
Now I know this whole story is bogus..wrapped in Social Justice Warrior bull****.
I hope you're kidding, Old School. Link
"A second witness âobserved Alsaleh on his phone and 2 white males were arguing with him.â The witness âsaid that one of the white males began saying racial slurs towards Alsaleh such as â(expletive) ISISâ and âWhite Powerâ and something like, âThis isnât your (Alsalehâs) country.â â
Yeah, nothing xenophobic about that.......
Boris posted:Robbed blind? Hardly.
TT usually takes less "perceived value' (from the fans POV) in these deals.
I think this draft is very weak
Which would make the trade even worse. If talent is that thin to begin with why would you want to accumulate more garbage while passing on better talent? Only in an extremely deep draft would taking a much lesser value to trade down make sense.
Ftr, I don't agree this draft is that thin, but it's light on flash. Tackles, offensive and defensive, appear very deep, there's a solid QB crop and some decent DBs. It's thin at receiver and somewhat at pass rusher, sure, but there are never enough good pass rushers.
CUPackFan posted:I hope you're kidding, Old School. Li
CUPackFan posted:I hope you're kidding, Old School. Link
"A second witness âobserved Alsaleh on his phone and 2 white males were arguing with him.â The witness âsaid that one of the white males began saying racial slurs towards Alsaleh such as â(expletive) ISISâ and âWhite Powerâ and something like, âThis isnât your (Alsalehâs) country.â â
Yeah, nothing xenophobic about that.......
"A second witness âobserved Alsaleh on his phone and 2 white males were arguing with him.â The witness âsaid that one of the white males began saying racial slurs towards Alsaleh such as â(expletive) ISISâ and âWhite Powerâ and something like, âThis isnât your (Alsalehâs) country.â â
Yeah, nothing xenophobic about that.......
xenophobia doesn't mean what you think it does...and I highly doubt you are a psychoanalyst of some kind.
Stop using these ridiculous terms and projecting them onto people EVERY time they deal with a person of color or different religion. Please. It must stop.
There are conflicting eye witness reports on what happened...but of course...our Social Justice Warrior wannabe's insist on taking the most over the top or racial angle, or heaven forbid we punch a precious little snowflake foreign punk that might have been asking for it.
"Higbeeâs girlfriend told police that Alsaleh was being physical as well"
who did Alsaleh punch again? oh nevermind, he had it coming right?
oldschool posted:
"Higbeeâs girlfriend told police that Alsaleh was being physical as well"
Yeah, those brawny middle eastern men often are physically aggressive towards 6'6" 250 pound football players.
oldschool posted:xenophobia doesn't mean what you think it does...and I highly doubt you are a psychoanalyst of some kind.
Stop using these ridiculous terms and projecting them onto people EVERY time they deal with a person of color or different religion. Please. It must stop.
There are conflicting eye witness reports on what happened...but of course...our Social Justice Warrior wannabe's insist on taking the most over the top or racial angle, or heaven forbid we punch a precious little snowflake foreign punk that might have been asking for it.
"Higbeeâs girlfriend told police that Alsaleh was being physical as well"
Asking for it? Based on what exactly? You seem to be jumping to the defense of some college kid in a bar who I'll surmise had 1 or 2 too many. None of us know what happened yet.
BTW, you should probably look up xenophobia.
Tdog posted:who did Alsaleh punch again? oh nevermind, he had it coming right?
And how do you know what happened? Just like me...you don't.
See what I mean...you guys just want to run with the first spin story and then act all self righteous as if you know what happened and what was in this guy's mind to label him as a xenophobe.
Ridiculous.
FLPACKER posted:oldschool posted:
"Higbeeâs girlfriend told police that Alsaleh was being physical as well"
Yeah, those brawny middle eastern men often are physically aggressive towards 6'6" 250 pound football players.
Exactly...why in the hell was this guy trying to get physical (according to an eyewitness report) with somebody that size?
Maybe just maybe the football player was definitely a dick...and maybe this so called middle eastern guy was trolling for this kind of trouble...for a reason.
It's just as believable as spinning it as a story about xenophobia...because you have the special ability to look into people's souls through a newspaper article...right?
FinnLander posted:oldschool posted:xenophobia doesn't mean what you think it does...and I highly doubt you are a psychoanalyst of some kind.
Stop using these ridiculous terms and projecting them onto people EVERY time they deal with a person of color or different religion. Please. It must stop.
There are conflicting eye witness reports on what happened...but of course...our Social Justice Warrior wannabe's insist on taking the most over the top or racial angle, or heaven forbid we punch a precious little snowflake foreign punk that might have been asking for it.
"Higbeeâs girlfriend told police that Alsaleh was being physical as well"
Asking for it? Based on what exactly? You seem to be jumping to the defense of some college kid in a bar who I'll surmise had 1 or 2 too many. None of us know what happened yet.
BTW, you should probably look up xenophobia.
I said maybe he was asking for it...based on his behavior from eye witness accounts in the story.
It's certainly no different that labeling someone a 'xenophobe" based on nothing but a sketchy account that bad names were being said.
That means he has a "phobia"...really?
A phobia?
Ohhhh....scary....a big football player with a phobia because somebody said he has a "phobia" based on somebody saying he might have said something that he might not have said.
But now...it's a PHOBIA !
This behavior is worse than the xenophobia in the first place...this rush to judgement and labeling people like a bunch of spoiled middle school girls.
Since you refuse to look it up, or don't know how, I'll do it for you.
Xenophobia - intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.
In this case, it would be "dislike", not "fear". Not that I think you'll understand it any better with the definition staring you in the face.
Feel free to keep on ranting, I'm bowing out.
Regardless of his intentions, Higbee is an idiot because he got arrested two weeks before the draft. There are hundreds of players who are just as qualified as him who have enough maturity and self control to keep out of trouble before they get drafted. I wasn't sold on Higbee to begin with, this just seals it.
PackerJoe posted:Anderson once left Temple, then came back, then flunked out, then came back again. No questioning his talent but hard to tell where his head is at.
From what I read he first left school due to personal/family concerns. He then went to summer school. He applied for the non-scholarship football program again and was reinstated. He still needed more classes so took them at JUCO. He came back again. The coaches say he is personable and trainable. Despite his 40 time he is more quick than long speed. In any case, the Browns are rumored to take him in the 5-6th range after he met with them last Tuesday.
Edit: he began first time around at Temple as a corner
Is there a more depressing thing you could tell a 21 year old than "The Browns want to draft you in the 6th"? That's life altering.
Factory of Sadness claims another victim.
PackerJoe posted:Miserable tight end class just got even worse:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mo...draft-2016-tight-end
Now I'm even happier times two that Thompson signed Cook.
LOL, players don't lose draft value for fighting? Just proves how tough he is that he knocked a guy into a near coma. Jerry Jones was touching himself when he read that article.