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That's been the word on Jaylon Smith for awhile.  It wasn't just an ACL tear, it was a complete ACL and MCL blowout.

I don't think I'd take him at #27.  When the injury risk and the lost year is factored in, there are too many other candidates that become more attractive.  I'd take Hunter Henry ahead of Smith.  I'd take Vernon Butler ahead of Smith.  Workout depending, I'd probably take Leonard Floyd ahead of Smith.

Round two...that depends on who else is left on the board.  Jordan Jenkins is probably the last OLB I'd consider taking ahead of Smith.  There will probably be some pretty attractive DL-men still available.  I'd definitely gamble on Smith before any of the running backs or tight ends that figure to be available.  End of round two...it all depends on who is left on the board.  

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Just did a quick scan through Ted's picks and, until the last three years, most of the guys that Ted has picked have been pretty clean medically.

Jake Ryan tore an ACL in the spring of 2013 but was recovered enough that he appeared in Michigan's last 8 games that season.  He went on to be Michigan's leading tackler in 2014 so it's pretty doubtful that Ted had any major concerns about his knee at that point.

Jared Abbrederis...hard to call.  Lots of reports (including here in Madison) that he suffered three concussions while playing for the Badgers.  Abbrederis claims that there was only one concussion.  Three concussions should get a player flagged medically.  But was it one or three, who knows?

Eddie Lacy has a messed up toe and at least one team (Steelers) indicated it was a big enough concern for them that he was taken off their board.

In the last 8 drafts those are the only three players that Ted has picked that I can remember people talking about their medical history and it possibly being a concern.  Feel free to add any that I missed.  And IMO Ryan's really wasn't a big deal since he had played the last 1 1/2 seasons.  After those guys I had to go all the way to Justin Harrell in 2007 to find the next guy that had real injury concerns.  Looking at all the injury problems Harrell had while at Tennessee...Ted probably looks at most of his bad picks and has a "you hit some, you miss some" attitude but I'd bet that Harrell pick is an exception.  He sure didn't appear too willing to roll the dice on oft-injured players in the years after that unless there is a "china doll" mixed in there that I am forgetting.

IMO Jaylon Smith would be exactly what Ted is looking for.  Outstanding athlete.  Excellent pass-rush upside as an outside linebacker.  Has also proven that he can play inside (and might be better inside) and would give the team future flexibility with Matthews.  Absolutely everything that Ted would be looking for until the injury is added into the equation.

I've watched more of Smith and although he is a 34 OLB only in the for an NFL team, had he been drafted I think he would have been a good OLB. As an ILB only I think he probably would have been just okay, he's wasted on the inside like that. He wouldn't be the answer at ILB for the Packers even if he was healthy, but as of right now he's a project OLB that may never return to form. However, there are instances of players coming back from a blowout like that, Willis McGahee came to mind immediately. Everything depends on the medical exam and how his rehab is going...a redshirt year in the NFL isn't a death sentence for a player. Plenty of rookies sit their 1st year and go on to successful careers...hell Aaron Rodgers sat for basically 3 years. If the medical checks out, the rehab and his psyche are positive, then grab him in round 2 and don't think twice. GB has a great medical staff, so if they say he's on track to healing well then I doubt Thompson would pass. 

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Big advantage getting those top 15 picks that teams like ours just rarely get :

β€œPicking at the end of the second round only gives your team a 50 percent chance of finding a starter,” According to a study viadatascopeanalytics.com, that analyzes 50 years worth of drafting. This is a big dropoff from the first 15 picks which generates starters between 80-90 percent of the time. On the other hand, β€œgoing towards the end of the third round, your chance of finding a starter falls to (about) 30 percent.” 

titmfatied posted:

It was a deep pick and more of a flyer, but Datko had some injury issues I think.

Good catch.  Left shoulder surgery following his junior year in high school.  Missed 2 games in 2010 with a left shoulder injury.  Only played in the first four games of 2011 before missing the rest of the season with a left shoulder injury.  Definite medical concerns with him.

Joe Schobert says he's talked to the Packers a couple of times...still think he's headed to GB in r2 or r3. He's a guy who could be a REALLY good ILB in my opinion. Off the charts instincts and highly aggressive, two things that great ILB's have to have.

Jaylon Smith apparently had a really positive conversation with McCarthy, said he really likes the Packers.

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I don't know about Schobert as an NFL 3-4 OLB either.  Great pass-rusher in college, but he lacks length and that could make the transition to the NFL rather difficult.  He does have good short area quickness and a nice initial burst.  He showed up at the combine at 244 but he probably plays at around 235.  I don't think he's any better than a fifth rounder. 

The potential for nerve damage in Smith's leg is troubling if that is the case. As pointed out, that kind of injury effectively ended Marcus Lattimore's career, hopefully the same isn't true for Smith. 

As for Schobert, it's just where I personally see his value...late 2nd to late 3rd. People saw Borland as too small, not athletic enough with generally a 4th to 5th round value. Obviously he and Schobert aren't exactly the same, but they aren't dramatically different. Schobert is a little leaner and not quite as stocky and is a better athlete overall, but he doesn't seem as strong or powerful as Borland on tape. The experience/production, instincts, the aggressiveness, the motor, and the attitude/off-field are there which is why Borland went in round 3 and it's why I see the same with Schobert.

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Packers are

IL_Pack_Fan posted:

McGinn's annual Top 50 breakdown is out. I know he's come under fire in recent years -and it's fair to assume these scouts have an agenda - but I think it's a good read. More than 1/3 of the top 50 play DL, adding some credence to the thought that R1 talent can probably be had in R3.

http://m.jsonline.com/sports/p...279z1-370399721.html

DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon: 6-7, 291. Started 38 of 54 games. "Comes in and starts," one scout said. "Not as dynamic obviously as Bosa. More of a run-down player for a 3-4 team, but he has some pass rush to him." Finished with 18 sacks and 36 tackles for loss. Wonderlic score of 9. Widely regarded as a better prospect than former Duck DE Arik Armstead, who went 17th last year to the 49ers. "They play a two-gap 3-4 there," said another scout. "He's got a chance to be an impact guy. He kind of plays all across the front." Hands measured an incredible 11ΒΎ inches.

11 3/4 inch hands and a Wonderlic score of 9.  If Mike Sherman was running the show the Packers would be trading the entire draft to move up and pick this guy.

Grave Digger posted:
FLPACKER posted:

Matlock just said that teams like the Packers may pass on taking a D-lineman in first round, thinking they could get one almost as good in the second / third round

Just another celebrity trying to throw his 2 cents in like it means something...

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Touche'...sadly I think I have called him "Matlock" in prior posts.

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